Schiano versus Leipold

[mikemarc1]

So when Kansas beat us 55-14 it was an upset?

That was three seasons before Leipold took over. That was 2 coaching regimes before Leipold.

Not quite sure what Kansas 2018 has to do with the argument.

But to answer your question..yes it was. Many people considered it one, anyway

 

[mdk01]

That was three seasons before Leipold took over. That was 2 coaching regimes before Leipold.

Not quite sure what Kansas 2018 has to do with the argument.

But to answer your question..yes it was. Many people considered it one, anyway

The loss? No. The margin of loss? Definitely.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

Don’t know, he has won every where he has been.

Exactly! LL has won at every place he has been and has beaten some tough teams. Kansas goes up against TCU this weekend who just beat Oklahoma this past weekend.
I was early on the Lance bandwagon and there were a few of us on the board who wanted to bring him here but obviously were shut down by the Schiano crew.
I hope and pray that Greg has it to turn this program around because if he cannot do it then we may be in the cellar. The fan base does not have the intestinal fortitude to try to bring in up and coming coached like lance was when he was at Wisc- whitewater. Rutgers best hope for the future after greg is to bring in successful coaches from the lower levels who have track records of success, just like Lance. In the meantime I am rooting for Greg and Rutgers. Go RU!

 

[NickRU714]

That was two seasons before Leipold took over. And yes it was. Many people considered it one, anyway

I just looked at the Kansas results for 2018 since many keep bringing up that one game over and over.
Looks like Kansas only won 3 games overall that season: Central Michigan, Rutgers and then TCU (by 1 point at home).
They even lost to Nicholls State (26-23).

2019 they were 3-9 (1-8) - averaged 23.5ppg and gave up 36.1ppg
2020 0-9 (0-8) - averaged 15.8ppg and gave up 46ppg

What is everyone arguing over?
Both teams sucked and were among worst in the country in just about every way it seems.

 

[MADHAT1]

It's actually the opposite. the "Only Schiano" people wanted HC Ash to coach out the season.
All of the "Hobbs has no plan. Why did we fire Ash if he had no plan to replace him" people were upset because Schiano wasn't hired mid-season 2019.

They were saying if we're not going to hire Schiano then why fire Ash so early. They preferred keeping Ash for another 8 games.

the posters that wanted Schiano were the same that wanted other candidates for the job.
Meaning they all wanted Ash to be fired and the Schiano crowd would have likes him to be hired ASAP, but understood Hobbs would be looking at others..
There were very few Schiano backers, if memory serves correct, that objected to Nunzio
being named Interim HC and most RU fans were happy to see Campanile be in charege.
Some even hoped he'd be sucessful enough to be given the job outright.
The Schiano or bust was because of how Hobbs didn't seem to know exactly who to go after and he distrust many RU fans had for Hobbs to fet the right man for the job..

No one, to my knowledge prefered keeping Ash, his fireing ASAP was the common desire and not wait till the end of season.
Realisticly Schiano backers wanted the job open while other canidates had coaching positions and Greg would be one of the ones that could come in the moment Ash was gone.
Waiting wouldn't to Greg's advantage and wasn't the goal ,I don't know how you could think that.

 

[MADHAT1]

I just looked at the Kansas results for 2018 since many keep bringing up that one game over and over.
Looks like Kansas only won 3 games overall that season: Central Michigan, Rutgers and then TCU (by 1 point at home).
They even lost to Nicholls State (26-23).

2019 they were 3-9 (1-8) - averaged 23.5ppg and gave up 36.1ppg
2020 0-9 (0-8) - averaged 15.8ppg and gave up 46ppg

What is everyone arguing over?
Both teams sucked and were among worst in the country in just about every way it seems.

Kansas sucked since around 2009 when Mark Mangino was forced to resign.
I feel Rutgers program was in bad shape when Greg took over , but know the Jayhawks were terrible as well when Lance was hired

 

[rutgersguy1]

I just looked at the Kansas results for 2018 since many keep bringing up that one game over and over.
Looks like Kansas only won 3 games overall that season: Central Michigan, Rutgers and then TCU (by 1 point at home).
They even lost to Nicholls State (26-23).

2019 they were 3-9 (1-8) - averaged 23.5ppg and gave up 36.1ppg
2020 0-9 (0-8) - averaged 15.8ppg and gave up 46ppg

What is everyone arguing over?
Both teams sucked and were among worst in the country in just about every way it seems.

I've given the stats in this thread or one of these threads. They've been horrible for a decade or so. I mentioned the graphic I saw on a Chris Fallica piece on Sportscenter before Saturday's games.

They averaged like 1.9 wins/season (lowest in the P5) and also lowest PPG and average margin of loss in the P5 over that decade or so range. One other stat was there as well but I can't remember it. Les Miles was fired too over treatment of women at LSU. So they were in about as bad a state as you can get.

And these are programs with better recent history but also faced bad circumstances and were able to turn it around. Rhule off the whole Briles scandal got them to a winning record in year 2 and double digit wins in year 3. Heupel at Tenn lost at least 15 players to transfer IIRC and I think 11 were starters and Pruitt left them under a NCAA cloud as well. Won 7 games last year in his first year and this year undefeated and ranked 8 currently. I think they could probably win about 8-9 this year. He's given them an offensive identity but I do wonder about their D though. Nontheless, point being there are a lot of messes out there and good coach can clean them up to a degree.

 

[mikemarc1]

I just looked at the Kansas results for 2018 since many keep bringing up that one game over and over.
Looks like Kansas only won 3 games overall that season: Central Michigan, Rutgers and then TCU (by 1 point at home).
They even lost to Nicholls State (26-23).

2019 they were 3-9 (1-8) - averaged 23.5ppg and gave up 36.1ppg
2020 0-9 (0-8) - averaged 15.8ppg and gave up 46ppg

What is everyone arguing over?
Both teams sucked and were among worst in the country in just about every way it seems.

People here doing everything possible to justify the hiring of Greg over Lance.

so silly to say Lance took over a “much better team” than Greg. Patently false.

Also pretty naive not to see the Lance has had a much better career than Greg, and has Kansas in the top 20 already. To even question who’s doing a better job is just silly.

Now things can certainly change and I can have a different opinion in a year or two..but so far Lance is light years ahead of Greg and I don’t even know how that’s debatable

 

[NickRU714]

the posters that wanted Schiano were the same that wanted other candidates for the job.
Meaning they all wanted Ash to be fired and the Schiano crowd would have likes him to be hired ASAP, but understood Hobbs would be looking at others..
There were very few Schiano backers, if memory serves correct, that objected to Nunzio
being named Interim HC and most RU fans were happy to see Campanile be in charege.
Some even hoped he'd be sucessful enough to be given the job outright.
The Schiano or bust was because of how Hobbs didn't seem to know exactly who to go after and he distrust many RU fans had for Hobbs to fet the right man for the job..

No one, to my knowledge prefered keeping Ash, his fireing ASAP was the common desire and not wait till the end of season.
Realisticly Schiano backers wanted the job open while other canidates had coaching positions and Greg would be one of the ones that could come in the moment Ash was gone.
Waiting wouldn't to Greg's advantage and wasn't the goal ,I don't know how you could think that.

How I could think that? Because of every "What is Hobbs doing? He has no plan. Why would you fire a HC after 4 weeks and have no plan?" post.

Check out thee below threads:
It's almost comical how insane they are.
Hobbs was supposed to have hired an outside new HC mid-season - something literally no other team in the all of sports does.

Also, the veiled (and some not so veiled) references to Schiano being hired immediately are comical.
Some of my favorite posts (no names for the benefit of the posters)
Note - these are all from October 2019.

• Oh I get it genius , naming a coach at end of season is not a real plan. Hobbs still hasn’t decided on a search firm? He fired Ash in week 4 and without a plan it is getting worse if you can believe it.
• Must get Schiano now. Do not wait.
• Which is completely moronic considering that leaves you two months with no head coach to recruit or try hold a class together.
• No one is saying to bring another coach in to actually coach . Name Schiano as the next coach with an official start date of after the season so everyone knows. He can begin to assemble a staff and get the f@ns juices flowing . That’s what I thought Hobbs was doing and I thought it was perfect then I find out that is not his plan WTF is he doing ?
• If you are going to name a coach after the season yes keep Ash then you keep art and Blackshear and you never know you get a couple of wins. But what we are watching now I have not seen anything this bad in my lifetime in football.
• Well I hope it isn't at the end of the season. If that's the case then I'm really struggling to see the plan of firing him and the OC after game 4 when it could have been done later in the season. Because basically the worse we look(perception matters) the harder the next guys job becomes.
• When I made that post it was before Ash's firing. My feeling at the time was it would be game 8 or after. Not after game 4. I was completely off on that assumption. However that's a full month later and requires a different plan. Now with recent events clearly that time frame has to move up. Or why not wait till game 8 or after? It still gives you a month to search. It shouldn't take two months to find a coach. If it does, then I'm not sure what the plan was.
• AD has never met the most successful football coach in RU history who is available. Three weeks after a firing we hire a search committee... Sounds like a plan.
• People are upset because firing him 4 games in allowed for redshirting and transferring
  And because every indication from the rumor mill is that Hobbs is ready to not hire GS or someone else with a P5 resume
• Firing in mid season and then having to wait until the end of the season or longer to interview possible replacements seems not well thought out at all.
• Firing ash mid season to me would mean that you are bring in a currently available coach

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...-false-narrative-of-hobbs-had-no-plan.176860/
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/hobbs-had-no-plan.176587/

 

[NickRU714]

Remember, these people still post here and thought keeping HC Ash for 8 additional weeks was a better idea than firing him mid-season.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

Remember, these people still post here and thought keeping HC Ash for 8 additional weeks was a better idea than firing him mid-season.

I don't think anyone was saying that at the time and I was there for it. In fact, I recall everyones relief that Ash was finally gone. The crowds in the stadium told the story, I remember one game where there was no more than 10,000 people in the stadium but the reportedd amount was around 25,000. It was just a horrible time for Rutgers football.

 

[NickRU714]

I don't think anyone was saying that at the time and I was there for it. In fact, I recall everyones relief that Ash was finally gone. The crowds in the stadium told the story, I remember one game where there was no more than 10,000 people in the stadium but the reportedd amount was around 25,000. It was just a horrible time for Rutgers football.

Literally see the above threads and posts. Everyone wanted HC Ash fired in September.
Some even specifically said "HC Ash shouldn't have been fired" because it was ruining recruiting.

Once a HC wasn't immediately hired and it was clear we were waiting until the end of the season (like every other single coaching replacement) - a sizable segment of the board were livid and upset.
It's literally in the post prior to the one you posted and in the linked threads at the bottom.

 

[fsg2]

People here doing everything possible to justify the hiring of Greg over Lance.

so silly to say Lance took over a “much better team” than Greg. Patently false.

Also pretty naive not to see the Lance has had a much better career than Greg, and has Kansas in the top 20 already. To even question who’s doing a better job is just silly.

Now things can certainly change and I can have a different opinion in a year or two..but so far Lance is light years ahead of Greg and I don’t even know how that’s debatable

? Lance wasn't even a candidate. There was no "hiring of Greg over Lance."

 

[Knight Shift]

And we are doing what now, what are the projections of turning this around?

Having the same record as Lance Leipold after 17 games is flopping? Then Lance Leipold is flopping. Can't have it both ways.

 

[brgRC90]

The blueprint is simple for a team at our level - you hire for "coaching" not "recruiting".
Coach the players on the field now and make them competitive (don't even have to win).
Take that evidence of coaching up players to the recruits and say "Look what I did with those guy. With you, we can really get something done."

The Schiano diehards don't get this. In his first year he recruited very well because of the promise of a turnaround. Why has recruiting flatlined since then? Because Year 2 was dismal and the hype died away. He needed to make a bigger splash than 5-7 with not a single impressive win and with terrible offense. In every aspect of the game the diehards keep talking about a dynamic for rebuilding and winning which is obsolete.

 

[Shelby65]

The reason Schiano wasn’t a good hire and will be an obvious failure years before RU can afford to fire him is his rigid philosophy of offense being a secondary emphasis. It’s how he’s wired. It’s allows him to micromanage with his own expertise. He can’t give up control over game outcomes. Offensive coaching is foreign to him and he doesn’t let OCs do their jobs. He doesn’t view the QB position as a weapon. Instead, only a vehicle to avoiding turnovers and letting the D and STs decide the game.

People debate whether he is a better coach than Leipold, but ignore this decisive factor in the debate. The reason Leipold is a better coach, and it’s not close, is because he prioritizes offense. He showcases his qb and his receivers, and will therefore recruit those positions better too. Top passing game Recruits go where they can shine, and RU isn’t that place.

We shouldn’t care who is the better CEO, who is more organized or who runs better practices. The game is about scoring, but that’s not Schiano’s philosophy, sadly.

 

[Knight Shift]

Exactly! LL has won at every place he has been and has beaten some tough teams. Kansas goes up against TCU this weekend who just beat Oklahoma this past weekend.
I was early on the Lance bandwagon and there were a few of us on the board who wanted to bring him here but obviously were shut down by the Schiano crew.
I hope and pray that Greg has it to turn this program around because if he cannot do it then we may be in the cellar. The fan base does not have the intestinal fortitude to try to bring in up and coming coached like lance was when he was at Wisc- whitewater. Rutgers best hope for the future after greg is to bring in successful coaches from the lower levels who have track records of success, just like Lance. In the meantime I am rooting for Greg and Rutgers. Go RU!

Leipold was 7-17//4-12 in his first 2 years at Buffalo
He is currently 7-10//3-8 in 1 1/2 years at Kansas.

How can you say he has won everyplace has won, and then throw our own coach under the bus, who has an 11-16 and 5-15 conference record after 2.5 years.

You guys are awfully jolly about Lance because of a 5 game beginning of season run. It's hilarious.

 

[Shelby65]

Leipold was 7-17//4-12 in his first 2 years at Buffalo
He is currently 7-10//3-8 in 1 1/2 years at Kansas.

How can you say he has won everyplace has won, and then throw our own coach under the bus, who has an 11-16 and 5-15 conference record after 2.5 years.

You guys are awfully jolly about Lance because of a 5 game beginning of season run. It's hilarious.

It’s not the record per se, it’s how he got there. He wins with imaginative offense showcasing all skill position talent. He doesn’t squash potential via being extremely risk averse and defense minded. Schiano chokes offense with this mentality. Why would top QBs and WRs come here ?Has he ever won a coin toss and ever elected to receive ? No. That’s the issue. He doesn’t even want his offense on the field unless after a turnover in plus territory. Offense isn’t a liability in Leipold’s mind, but it is in Greg’s.

In Schiano ball, offense is only the pinch hitter after the defense loads the bases.

 

[Caliknight]

Leipold was 7-17//4-12 in his first 2 years at Buffalo
He is currently 7-10//3-8 in 1 1/2 years at Kansas.

How can you say he has won everyplace has won, and then throw our own coach under the bus, who has an 11-16 and 5-15 conference record after 2.5 years.

You guys are awfully jolly about Lance because of a 5 game beginning of season run. It's hilarious.

His overall record is much better. As are his wins.

You can say the level has coached at is different and that's true, but the guy has won everywhere he's been.

He's undefeated and has beaten Texas and WVU in Morgantown. Schiano never did that even with his best teams.

The jury is still out but he's ahead of Schiano right now and that's not debatable.

 

[brgRC90]

Not quite sure what Kansas 2018 has to do with the argument.

It's part of the Excuses for Schiano and Why Another Coach Would Not Have Done Better that we saw the first time: Rutgers was the worst team, worse even than a high school team, worse even than a flag football team, so years later Schiano gets leeway for losing and not turning his team around as quickly as another coach. These guys would even claim Nick Saban couldn't succeed at Rutgers as well as Schiano. Nobody can succeed at Rutgers. Only Schiano.

 

[Shelby65]

Because he’s a ‘good fit’ and other whiny nonsense.

You’re only a good fit if you win (see Frost, Chryst), unless at Rutgers. At Rutgers, coming in third place 16 years ago and getting fired at 3 places after that makes you a good fit. At 1 he got fired even before he was hired.

But here he’s the next coming of Tom Landry because he’s a good fit.

 

[Knight Shift]

His overall record is much better. As are his wins.

You can say the level has coached at is different and that's true, but the guy has won everywhere he's been.

He's undefeated and has beaten Texas and WVU in Morgantown. Schiano never did that even with his best teams.

The jury is still out but he's ahead of Schiano right now and that's not debatable.

It's debatable. Wisconsin Whitewater is a Division III juggernaut. The coach before him had it at 14-0 or 13-1 for a couple/few years before he got there, and the guy after him did the same thing. Seems any dolt can do that at Wisconsin-Whitewater. So, throw that one out.

Buffalo is a mixed bag at 25-20. Let's not forget it's the MAC. He was 2-10 his first year at Kansas and 5-0 so far in partial season. Mel Tucker says hello too.

 

[Westcoast]

Leipold is a good coach and would have been a fine second choice after GS. I will always have a soft spot in my heart for him after he beat Texas on the road last year. Kansas was +2000 on the M/L. Thank you Lance. It also gives him a signature win which GS 2.0 does not yet have.

Beating MSU 2 years ago was pretty big for Schiano.

 

[mikemarc1]

? Lance wasn't even a candidate. There was no "hiring of Greg over Lance."

? Lance wasn't even a candidate. There was no "hiring of Greg over Lance."

he was on almost every coaching hot board in 2020. Due to our crazy $$$$$ fanbase it was Schiano or nothing, unfortunately

 

[mikemarc1]

It's debatable. Wisconsin Whitewater is a Division III juggernaut. The coach before him had it at 14-0 or 13-1 for a couple/few years before he got there, and the guy after him did the same thing. Seems any dolt can do that at Wisconsin-Whitewater. So, throw that one out.

Buffalo is a mixed bag at 25-20. Let's not forget it's the MAC. He was 2-10 his first year at Kansas and 5-0 so far in partial season. Mel Tucker says hello too.

which coaches before and after him won 6 championships?! I’ll wait.

Knight Shift, I love your positive attitude but your way off in this debate. There’s no argument that Leipold hasn’t shown he’s a better coach than Greg.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

Leipold was 7-17//4-12 in his first 2 years at Buffalo
He is currently 7-10//3-8 in 1 1/2 years at Kansas.

How can you say he has won everyplace has won, and then throw our own coach under the bus, who has an 11-16 and 5-15 conference record after 2.5 years.

You guys are awfully jolly about Lance because of a 5 game beginning of season run. It's hilarious.

Yes that has something to do with it but also Lance has had several “Statement” games that he beat teams who were heavily favored. We will see what happens this weekend when Kansas squares up with TCU. We will know more this weekend with Rutgers v Nebraska.

 

[Knight Shift]

which coaches before and after him won 6 championships?! I’ll wait.

Knight Shift, I love your positive attitude but your way off in this debate. There’s no argument that Leipold hasn’t shown he’s a better coach than Greg.

You don't have to wait. Leipold's predecessor, Bob Berzowitz, won 8 conference championships,and the guy before Berzowitz won 11 . And Leipold's successor, Kevin Bullis, has already won 4 in 6 years. UW Whitewater is a juggernaut. Plug a coach in and they win. Stop celebrating this Div III nonsense at UW Whitewater. We get it- this nonsense helps you tear down Greg, and you guys get your jollies over it.

Please stop telling me and others we are way off. You guys are way off. Like outer space. Pluto, baby.

Two years before taking over Buffalo, the Bulls went to a bowl game --they were 8-5. Lance went 5-7 and 2-10 in his first two years, and then 6-6. He had one nice season and you guys are crowning him the king of coaches.

25-20 at Buffalo and 7-10 at Kansas--LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Knight Shift]

Yes that has something to do with it but also Lance has had several “Statement” games that he beat teams who were heavily favored. We will see what happens this weekend when Kansas squares up with TCU. We will know more this weekend with Rutgers v Nebraska.

Finally, a sane post. What are his statement games? We need to debate each and every one of those and dissect every pass, run and penalty like our "fans" do with Rutgers games. Equal treatment!!!

 

[fsg2]

he was on almost every coaching hot board in 2020. Due to our crazy $$$$$ fanbase it was Schiano or nothing, unfortunately

I thought this was understood ...he wasn't a candidate HERE.

At RU, in case we're unclear. Rutgers. In NJ.

 

[fsg2]

New Brunswick campus.

Football team.

 

[mikemarc1]

I thought this was understood ...he wasn't a candidate HERE.

At RU, in case we're unclear. Rutgers. In NJ.

Well then Hobbs should be fired if he was on every hot board but ours.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

I thought this was understood ...he wasn't a candidate HERE.

At RU, in case we're unclear. Rutgers. In NJ.

I was on the Lance bandwagon but I agree Greg is the right guy for Rutgers. Honestly I do not know why it seems so hard to build a competitive team in NJ but I have following Rutgers now for over 30 years and with the exception of 2005-2008 Rutgers seems to have a tough time making the jump to a higher level of competition.

 

[mikemarc1]

You don't have to wait. Leipold's predecessor, Bob Berzowitz, won 8 conference championships,and the guy before Berzowitz won 11 . And Leipold's successor, Kevin Bullis, has already won 4 in 6 years. UW Whitewater is a juggernaut. Plug a coach in and they win. Stop celebrating this Div III nonsense at UW Whitewater. We get it- this nonsense helps you tear down Greg, and you guys get your jollies over it.

Please stop telling me and others we are way off. You guys are way off. Like outer space. Pluto, baby.

Two years before taking over Buffalo, the Bulls went to a bowl game --they were 8-5. Lance went 5-7 and 2-10 in his first two years, and then 6-6. He had one nice season and you guys are crowning him the king of coaches.

25-20 at Buffalo and 7-10 at Kansas--LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m talking national championship, not conference championships. C’mon man. Lol.

No one is crowing him “the king of coaches”. You’re out of your mind on this topic, man. I’m sorry

 

[MADHAT1]

he was on almost every coaching hot board in 2020. Due to our crazy $$$$$ fanbase it was Schiano or nothing, unfortunately

Actually you might be close to the truth.
The crazy fanbase pushed Hobbs into meeting Schiano's demands about program improvements.
At first they were at an impasse until the fanbase got involved.

If any other qualified candidate made demands about improving the program or wouldn't consider the job, Hobbs wouldn't have been forced to make improvements to hire that candidate because the fanbase wouldn't be up in arms over an issue that made that candidate tell Hobbs do it or move on to someone else

You can bet in Hobbs HC hunt the pickings would be slim among qualified canidates if Hobbs wasn't willing to do what it takes to make them feel like they would recive a good salary, be given time to fix the program and have improvements made that would help them succeed at RU.
It took the fanbase for Greg to get most of what he demanded.

 

[mikemarc1]

Actually you might be close to the truth.
The crazy fanbase pushed Hobbs into meeting Schiano's demands about program improvements.
At first they were at an impasse until the fanbase got involved.

If any other qualified candidate made demands about improving the program or wouldn't consider the job, Hobbs wouldn't have been forced to make improvements to hire that candidate because the fanbase wouldn't be up in arms over an issue that made that candidate tell Hobbs do it or move on to someone else

Y.

100000x the truth. Hobbs had NO CHOICE but to hire Greg, who was on his list but certainly not 1st.

The donors wanted Greg, the media wanted Greg. Hobbs wanted Greg AFTER that fact. Or he’d have been canned

 

[Knight Shift]

I’m talking national championship, not conference championships. C’mon man. Lol.

No one is crowing him “the king of coaches”. You’re out of your mind on this topic, man. I’m sorry

Stop insulting me. YOU are the one out of your mind. See how this works?
This is no longer a debate. It's a quest!!!

 

[Knight Shift]

he was on almost every coaching hot board in 2020. Due to our crazy $$$$$ fanbase it was Schiano or nothing, unfortunately

Putting our crazy debate aside, you might not believe this, but I was quite neutral/lukewarm on Greg. I got pretty disgusted by the whole negotiation and the demands and the finger pointing and news coverage. Ultimately, however, I was happy with the hire and the way it turned out. I have never proclaimed Greg to be a great coach when it comes to W-L. But I believe that for the time being, Greg is the right person to pull Rutgers out of the basement and get RU back to the respectable level. Getting to the next level--we will have to see if Greg is the guy for that. I'm undecided, but I will have a clearer picture at the end of this year. Is that fair, and can we stop the silly debate? Peace.

 

[mikemarc1]

Stop insulting me. YOU are the one out of your mind. See how this works?
This is no longer a debate. It's a quest!!!

All good. We both want Rutgers to be good. We both think different things to get there.

thankfully neither of us are ADs. 😭

 

[MADHAT1]

Knight shift brought up "Getting to the next level--"
That scares me a bit.
But I feel returning to respectability comes first and Greg is the one who can ddo that best.
If the program stagnates into a winning but not a constant major bowl participent, then't the time for talk about he's not a good fit to bring RU to greatness and replacement time has come.
When Greg left the first time many, including me, felt RU had a chance to hire someone that could build on the program Schiano made , but couldn't continue improving enouth to be a major bowl player.
What the program got was an on the cheap hire and the results that come from hires like that.
No upward movement, but a downward spiral .

Lets gain respectability before demanding greatness today.
Once respectablity is gained, the cry greatness or go should be heard

 

[mikemarc1]

Putting our crazy debate aside, you might not believe this, but I was quite neutral/lukewarm on Greg. I got pretty disgusted by the whole negotiation and the demands and the finger pointing and news coverage. Ultimately, however, I was happy with the hire and the way it turned out. I have never proclaimed Greg to be a great coach when it comes to W-L. But I believe that for the time being, Greg is the right person to pull Rutgers out of the basement and get RU back to the respectable level. Getting to the next level--we will have to see if Greg is the guy for that. I'm undecided, but I will have a clearer picture at the end of this year. Is that fair, and can we stop the silly debate? Peace.

thats fine if you think that.i have no issue with that. All good…that’s your opinion and I respect that

Based on past historie, I don’t think he’s the guy who’s gonna accomplish that and think Leipold would have been better. All good?!?

i sincerely hope you’re right that Greg is the guy.