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Schiano versus Leipold

I was on the Lance bandwagon but I agree Greg is the right guy for Rutgers. Honestly I do not know why it seems so hard to build a competitive team in NJ but I have following Rutgers now for over 30 years and with the exception of 2005-2008 Rutgers seems to have a tough time making the jump to a higher level of competition.

You I remember supporting him. And agree about Schiano/RU. Leipold really didn't inspire any excitement at that point and I feel like we needed that after two awful regimes and becoming the laughingstock of P5.

I don't remember anyone else being on the Leipold bus and certainly don't recall him getting the love he is now.
 
You I remember supporting him. And agree about Schiano/RU. Leipold really didn't inspire any excitement at that point and I feel like we needed that after two awful regimes and becoming the laughingstock of P5.

I don't remember anyone else being on the Leipold bus and certainly don't recall him getting the love he is now.

ill admit I didn’t want Leipold either. Monken, Elko, Golden were my top picks. But Leipold was above Schiano on my list
 
Well then Hobbs should be fired if he was on every hot board but ours.

If he was on "every" hot board he'd have been hired that year. He wasn't nearly as hot as you're making him through the lens of retrospect.
 
thats fine if you think that.i have no issue with that. All good…that’s your opinion and I respect that

Based on past historie, I don’t think he’s the guy who’s gonna accomplish that and think Leipold would have been better. All good?!?

i sincerely hope you’re right that Greg is the guy.
As with anything in life, everyone has their pluses and minuses. I'll say this much, Leipold probably would have gotten more out of the roster/players he inherited more quickly. That's a "probably," and we will never know, and I don't care. Greg is our coach now, and I fully support him, just like I did for Flood (and still do!), and in the beginning (3 quarters?) Ash. 🤣
 
As with anything in life, everyone has their pluses and minuses. I'll say this much, Leipold probably would have gotten more out of the roster/players he inherited more quickly. That's a "probably," and we will never know, and I don't care. Greg is our coach now, and I fully support him, just like I did for Flood (and still do!), and in the beginning (3 quarters?) Ash. 🤣

I fully support Greg too. Still attending every game and donating what I could. Supporting a coach doesn’t mean you agree with their hire.
 
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That was three seasons before Leipold took over. That was 2 coaching regimes before Leipold.

Not quite sure what Kansas 2018 has to do with the argument.

But to answer your question..yes it was. Many people considered it one, anyway

By the end of the season was it an upset?

It is the situation GS inherited and RU only worsened from that game until he got here.
 
By the end of the season was it an upset?

It is the situation GS inherited and RU only worsened from that game until he got here.

You know Kansas got worse from that game too, right?

Not sure what your getting at. I posted it earlier - both teams sucked and got even worse after this one random game.

I don't know if Leipold is a better coach (and don't care) but if the argument that HS GS is a much better coach - then shouldn't situation not matter?
Shouldn't he overcome having inherited a worse situation?

This was always my problem with the "OC McNulty can't be blamed. Our talent!"
If he's the "greatest OC in RU history" shouldn't he be able to overcome less talent and have a better offense than OC Mehringer/Kill?
 
You know Kansas got worse from that game too, right?

Not sure what your getting at. I posted it earlier - both teams sucked and got even worse after this one random game.

I don't know if Leipold is a better coach (and don't care) but if the argument that HS GS is a much better coach - then shouldn't situation not matter?
Shouldn't he overcome having inherited a worse situation?

This was always my problem with the "OC McNulty can't be blamed. Our talent!"
If he's the "greatest OC in RU history" shouldn't he be able to overcome less talent and have a better offense than OC Mehringer/Kill?

He will overcome it, but the fact of the matter is that Saban (or insert any name) couldn't get the program GS inherited to compete with tOSU 3 years after Ash's dumpster fire. It is a dumb debate and that is my point. It lacks context.
 
He will overcome it, but the fact of the matter is that Saban (or insert any name) couldn't get the program GS inherited to compete with tOSU 3 years after Ash's dumpster fire. It is a dumb debate and that is my point. It lacks context.

Agreed.

Hiring a "big name coach" to shortcut a rebuild through recruiting doesn't make sense.
 
You I remember supporting him. And agree about Schiano/RU. Leipold really didn't inspire any excitement at that point and I feel like we needed that after two awful regimes and becoming the laughingstock of P5.

I don't remember anyone else being on the Leipold bus and certainly don't recall him getting the love he is now.
I was for Leipold until Greg emerged. I just thought Greg knows Rutgers, Knows the players in NJ politics, knows many of the HS coached in NJ, and would be best to "right" the program. I Still think Greg is the right guy for Rutgers right now and I think he will succeed. But like any fan I always wonder "what if" lance came here. would rutgers be within a score of upsetting Ohio State? Its fun to imagine what could be but I am happy with the progress Greg is making in this NIL environment.
 
Leipold is having a nice year (5-0 is impressive no matter who you play) but some of the comments about all his “great wins” are ridiculous. Houston just lost to Tulane. WVU is 2-3. They were down by the same margin at halftime vs Texas as we were down to OSU (28-7). It was 35-7 in their game after the 3rd quarter. WVU isn’t good either. Duke is probably Kansas’ best win so far this season.
 
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Leipold is having a nice year (5-0 is impressive no matter who you play) but some of the comments about all his “great wins” are ridiculous. Houston just lost to Tulane. WVU is 2-3. They were down by the same margin at halftime vs Texas as we were down to OSU (28-7). It was 35-7 in their game after the 3rd quarter. WVU isn’t good either. Duke is probably Kansas’ best win so far this season.
None of his wins is a huge upset but the fact that he's beaten so many decent programs in Year 2 is what's impressive. Its not a lineup of weaklings. According to Massey Iowa State is 38, Duke is 53, Houston is 63 and West Virginia is 67. So far we've barely beaten both Boston College at 100 and Temple at 120, in Year 3. There's no way to argue Kansas isn't way ahead so far and wouldn't very likely beat us.
 
Leipold has a Very good QB at Kansas...We don't...The guy Wins everywhere he coaches ..5 National D3 Titles and a runner up finish in just 7 years (242 Teams play D3)...Who ever heard about college football in Buffalo before he was hired and Won 2 Conference titles and Bowl games....Im a fan of Greg but He hasn't Won anything with a couple loaded rosters in Big East...Yes I know schedule differences .Pretty simple Leipold is a better coach
 
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isn’t that on Leipold for developing a very good QB?
Yes. It's the job of the head coach to find and develop players for the most important position. Some people act like the HC is powerless to do much about it, like the players are just letting the head coach down.
 
Yes. It's the job of the head coach to find and develop players for the most important position. Some people act like the HC is powerless to do much about it, like the players are just letting the head coach down.
Yes Jalon Daniels in his junior year has proved to be a good one this year after 2 years as a part time starter
 
Yes and Leipold should get credit for that, no? You don’t “just become good”
he was good under Miles as well.
But Lance did help his development , because with experience good players become real good ones.
Inexperienced QBs usually need time and then show what they got.
It's a process, though some come out swingging for the fences as freshmen, most start to show a jump to a higher level in year 2 and that's what Daniels did before the end of his sophomore year .
 
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ill admit I didn’t want Leipold either. Monken, Elko, Golden were my top picks. But Leipold was above Schiano on my list

I said from the beginning Monken was a perfect fit for Army like Fitzgerald is at Northwestern and was not for Rutgers. I was fine with Schiano and Leipold, but Schiano (as I have said ad nauseum) had more leverage with the administration
 
isn’t that on Leipold for developing a very good QB?
Sure it is, but as the saying goes, you can't make chicken soup out of chicken poop. That is in no way a characterization of our QBs. But more goes into the soup than the QB--the most important ingredient---the soup stock is the OL. I have detailed numerous times that he inherited experience OL's, and their 2 deep is full of JRs, RS Srs and Srs. RU had to clean house and start over.

Back to the QB, we let Art go, and as of now, that seems like the correct decision. To answer your question--should Gleeson and Schiano have brought Simon along more quickly? That's an open question, but probably not because they brought in Vedral. I have brought this up before, but if there is one area you could fault Greg and Sean is not going after another portal QB, namely DeVito.
 
Sure it is, but as the saying goes, you can't make chicken soup out of chicken poop. That is in no way a characterization of our QBs. But more goes into the soup than the QB--the most important ingredient---the soup stock is the OL. I have detailed numerous times that he inherited experience OL's, and their 2 deep is full of JRs, RS Srs and Srs. RU had to clean house and start over.

Back to the QB, we let Art go, and as of now, that seems like the correct decision. To answer your question--should Gleeson and Schiano have brought Simon along more quickly? That's an open question, but probably not because they brought in Vedral. I have brought this up before, but if there is one area you could fault Greg and Sean is not going after another portal QB, namely DeVito.
QB handling is a MAJOR flaw Greg.
 
Well, well, well. What happens when Leipold plays a ranked team? A loss!!

Don't give excuses like an injured starting QB. Those dogs don't hunt here when it is about Schiano. A loss is a loss.
 
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Well, well, well. What happens when Leipold plays a ranked team? A loss!!

Don't give excuses like an injured starting QB. Those dogs don't hunt here when it is about Schiano. A loss is a loss.

Yup. What a great exciting game though. Something I’ve been yearning for here.
 
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Well, well, well. What happens when Leipold plays a ranked team? A loss!!

Don't give excuses like an injured starting QB. Those dogs don't hunt here when it is about Schiano. A loss is a loss.
umm, in a competitive exciting game? When we play a ranked opponent we get blown out by 30+.. are you seriously trying to brag about anything regarding Greg after that atrocity in Piscataway last night?
 
Well, well, well. What happens when Leipold plays a ranked team? A loss!!

Don't give excuses like an injured starting QB. Those dogs don't hunt here when it is about Schiano. A loss is a loss.
A close loss. In Year 2. Who did Schiano beat in Year 2?
 
Sucks for them and the underdog story. Gonna really test their coaching chops now but Bean played pretty well in that TCU game. A couple mistakes but on the whole not bad coming in off the bench.

edit: not to mention their RB Hishaw was out last week, not sure when he comes back

 
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None of his wins is a huge upset but the fact that he's beaten so many decent programs in Year 2 is what's impressive. Its not a lineup of weaklings. According to Massey Iowa State is 38, Duke is 53, Houston is 63 and West Virginia is 67. So far we've barely beaten both Boston College at 100 and Temple at 120, in Year 3. There's no way to argue Kansas isn't way ahead so far and wouldn't very likely beat us.

What intrigues me about him is his offenses are super creative and fun to watch, the kids play very hard, and he's beating teams with higher ranked recruiting classes.
 
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Yes and Leipold should get credit for that, no? You don’t “just become good”
Dude is the 2nd oldest QB in college football. Only Georgia's QB is a few months older. 24 and change. Can you imagine Wimsatt in 5-6 years? I suppose we can argue as to why we don't have a great 24-year-old QB.
 
What intrigues me about him is his offenses are super creative and fun to watch, the kids play very hard, and he's beating teams with higher ranked recruiting classes.
Leipold is an accomplished roster builder. He is a steroid version of K.C. Keeler. His success landing transfer portal and JUCO contributors to his roster who are from serious programs is notable. I assume Kansas has deep NIL pockets. The Jayhawks are not scouring the Patriot and Northeast conferences for talent.
 
Sucks for them and the underdog story. Gonna really test their coaching chops now but Bean played pretty well in that TCU game. A couple mistakes but on the whole not bad coming in off the bench.

edit: not to mention their RB Hishaw was out last week, not sure when he comes back

If they lose their next QB they’ll be on the same page as us.
 
Leipold may be a better coach than Schiano for most teams, but I think he wouldn’t do as well as Schiano can at Rutgers.
 
If they lose their next QB they’ll be on the same page as us.
Losing one of the top performing qbs in the country is quite a bit different than anything in our qb room. Daniels even had a little dark horse Heisman talk attached to him. I that was a little too much but he was playing fairly well.

I think Bean played decently against TCU. If he can keep that same level of play up, I think they can still win a game or two. I’ve said 6-8 wins as a guess and I’ll stick with that.
 
Losing one of the top performing qbs in the country is quite a bit different than anything in our qb room. Daniels even had a little dark horse Heisman talk attached to him. I that was a little too much but he was playing fairly well.

I think Bean played decently against TCU. If he can keep that same level of play up, I think they can still win a game or two. I’ve said 6-8 wins as a guess and I’ll stick with that.
The point is, I’m curious how they would do without a good qb. I wonder if Leipold will suddenly forget how to coach.
 
The point is, I’m curious how they would do without a good qb. I wonder if Leipold will suddenly forget how to coach.
I think Bean has a good chance to be okay. Daniels was on the roster but wasn’t any finished product when Leipold got there so I’d assume Bean can improve as well.

You know it was a low scoring first half against TCU and Daniels went out somewhere in the first half. It became a shootout in the 2nd half. Bean led them to a bunch of points and had two good long TD passes. I think he’s faster than Daniels. He made some mistakes too including a critical INT. Anyways if he continues to play like that, they should have a chance to win some more and be at least bowl eligible. Have to see if that was a one off or if he’ll show some consistency.
 
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