Didn't we lose a game 14-13?
I could only imagine the jubilation with a result like that even being on the losing side of it.
This whole "scoring 10ppg isnt a massive deal" is a weird hill to die on.
Schiano versus Leipold
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Didn't we lose a game 14-13?
I could only imagine the jubilation with a result like that even being on the losing side of it.
This whole "scoring 10ppg isnt a massive deal" is a weird hill to die on.
Hated the hire, like I said. think we could have done much better.
ill never hate Greg. That’s for sure.
Huh??? Uconn and Rutgers were in the EXACT SAME conference during both Edsall and Schiano's first tenure's... what are you talking about? Every bit of Greg's success here has come during a time when we were playing in the Big East. If anything this makes Greg 2.0 look even worse than Edsall 2.0 because unlike Uconn who you just outlined is not playing in a football conference, we play in the Big Ten east, arguably the strongest division in CFB, and Greg has zero 0* or better recruits committed for next year. With our QB's being as terrible as they've been and Noah graduating, we now have Gavin and Simon as scholorship QB's for next year with Greg not willing to add another QB out of fear of losing Gavin.... This is horrible roster management at the single most critical position on the team!
in 08 Notre Dame had Charlie Weiss as coach.... it was a lifetime ago.... Time to move on
Dude, what drugs are you taking? We went from Chris Ash who was recruiting at the county college level and couldn't move the ball on O and had a defense made of swiss cheese. I do not care what anyone says Greg has done a massive rebuild so far and it will only get better. If the action that he took with OCSG didn't convince you that he is serious about getting things right then I do not know what I can tell you to convince you.
HCGS is going to get it right we have to have a little patience and make a little effort on NIL to reap the rewards.
hope you’re right. I think Leipold would have have been better. Turned around a winless Kansas team in two years. No reason he couldn’t do it here.
Hope Greg rights the ship but I don’t know if he’s the answer. Hope he is.
Go RU!
Lance Leipold is an excellent coach who is obviously doing great things at Kansas. He may be onto a bigger program soon. Greg is more of slow builder and I think he is going to get the Rutgers train rolling We have to have a little patience, faith, and get the fannies back into the seats and it will happen. I also think that when Greg is successful he will stay with the program as long as he and the staff are being appropriately compensated and Rutgers is making the committment to building the program infrastructure.
It maddening sometimes with our fanbase when we go from one of the worst programs in the country, to moving up a massive number of places from where we were. Greg has done a great job so far with what was handed to him and I think the change at OC is going to pay off. Even when he was interim HC Nunzio had the offense moving the ball much better than what was happening under Ash.
This is Nunzios time, He is going to go for it and we the fans are going to watch things happen for the rest of this season.
Again I hope you’re right. I’m not as optimistic as you. But let’s hope you’re right!
Can you quantify or define what you mean by "turned around?"
And hypothetically, if Kansas goes winless, ending up 5-7, or wins 1 more game and goes 6-6, do you consider these scenarios "turning it around?"
If so, what do you consider Rutgers' 2021 season, going 5-7 plus backing into a bowl game? Isn't that turning it around after going 3-29/0-18 in the previous 2 seasons?
Your first sentence in your previous post seems to refer to TODAYS situation, that they currently cannot get their program rolling
I am also talking about today's situation comparing the two programs
Unless UConn gets in a football league they are dead now
I am Not talking at all about the past when both were in the big east
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Turning around means making respectable. Kansas was a top 20 team two weeks ago. So I guess by “turning around” I mean taking a ZERO win team when he got their and in less than 2 seasons getting them in Top 25. Getting GameDay there. That’s a massive turnaround.
And yes, a net of +5 wins in two years is certainly a turnaround. And if they win a 6th that’s 6 more wins than when he took over, in 2 years.
What fool doesn’t consider that a MASSIVE turnaround???
And sure, Rutgers had 5 wins last season. That’s a net of 3 more wins than when Greg took over a 2 win team.
a net of 5 or 6 more wins in 2 seasons is a turnaround.
Sure, I was happy with the 5 wins last season. And considered that a turnaround. But if we take step back this season the point is moot
You took a covid year for pre-Leopold (no cupcake games to win), and use that as a 0 win measuring stick.
You do realize that in 2019 (pre-Schiano), Rutgers was 0-9 in conference with wins against a horrific UMass and Liberty? It's essentially the same crappy record that Leopold inherited without cupcakes.
You also realize that in 2 years, Greg had 5 conference wins and 8 wins overall.
Leopold has had 3 conference wins thus far and 7 wins overall. If he only gets 1 more, that's worse than Greg's record in conference, and 2, they are tied in conference, with LL having one more win overall.
If that plays out (1 or 2 more wins), thanks for admitting to Greg's MASSIVE turnaround. 👊
So so let’s take the Covid year out and just do the last two seasons.
Rutgers 5 wins in 2021, this year 3 so far.
Kansas 2 wins in 2021, this year 5 so far.
Are you still convinced Greg’s turnaround is better?
Ill be the first to admit my mistake if Rutgers earns a bowl this year….
I wish the results were reversed of course,
but also that it is too short a time frame to judge
judge what? Who’s the better coach? That’s fair.
But it certainly shows Leipold is doing much better than Greg currently. I’ve said a lot of times here that could change in a few years….But I think stats show that CURRENTLY Leipold is >> Greg.
This is the correct answer.
In your opinion. Silly to judge things on short term. And rankings any time before the 8th or 9th week are useless. How many times have team ranked in the first 4-5 weeks never see rankings again.
My opinion and I was early on the Leipold
Wagon, HCGS is doing an excellent job moving this team in the right direction and the fact he took such decisive action regarding the OC position is proof he is the right man for the job. Greg is the right guy for Rutgers and he is going to get it right!
Wagon, HCGS is doing an excellent job moving this team in the right direction and the fact he took such decisive action regarding the OC position is proof he is the right man for the job. Greg is the right guy for Rutgers and he is going to get it right!
yes it’s certainly my opinion, backed up with facts.
you don’t seem to respect my opinion…since you’ve been killing me for it for weeks…..all good.
Go RU
Except that it was never Gleeson’s scheme. He did run an offense and call plays but only within Schiano’s conservative constraints. NC’s playbook and run/pass ratio will be similarly conservative.
It’s like this: head coaches have philosophies and it’s the job of staff to implement them. Schiano dealt Gleeson a weak poker hand and Gleeson couldn’t win with it.
Greg has been at one of the elite college programs for a number of years and worked under one of the elite coaches. If he does not understand the need for an aggressive offense then he hasn’t learned much.
I don’t pretend to know what’s going on inside the program other than the product on the field. Their was a huge drop off from Gleason year 1 and after. Was that a product of teams figuring out his scheme or was Greg chirping in his ear….I don’t know. let’s see what goes on with Nunzio and see if things improve. We have some weapons on the team so some production is available we just have to unleash those weapons and keep defenses honest.
It's a problem but that's different from saying the team needs to have a B12 type offense which it doesn't.
The weird thing to me is idolizing programs who manage to have a lucky break and pull off exactly what our fans say GS shouldn't try.
Wasn't App State over TXAM a pretty low scoring game...IIRC their game against Michigan years ago was in the 20s...idk how many of those big upsets are 52-49...I think MTSU was in the 20s vs Miami as well.
MTSU beat Miami 45-31. They had a bunch of big plays in that game. The App State game was low scoring 17-14 but App State devoured the clock in that game. A&M barely touched the ball in the 2nd half. They "outphysicaled" that NIL all star team lol. How often does that happen in general though. If you want to talk about App State then I can also point you to their UNC game where the score board lit up like crazy. They competed both ways and their offense was effective. It was good that they were versatile like that. I'd same the same for Kansas actually. They won a low scoring game against ISU but are also able to score when necessary. There's at least capability and versatility there, I don't see that in our offense. Offense and points are necessary, every game can't be a rock fight. Even Illinois averages mid 20s a game, which isn't stunning but it can get the job done when the defense is very good.
I guess Miami scored a bunch in garbage time, I didn't see the whole game. But I do think what Illinois is doing this season is the most realistic and enough to win in this conference. After all we beat them last year anyway. If we didn't have 2 injured QBs we'd be their east division mirror.
Leipold can coach circles around Greg.
We are what we are ..let’s build from here.
I mean in fairness to that point of Greg being at an elite program and learning aggressive offenses, he literally took over for Chris Ash there…. So if anything no, Ohio state DC’s don’t understand aggressive offenses and there’s a track record now to prove it
The problem is the only way to build from here is with a young, dynamic offensive coach who can also double as the worlds greatest salesman. It’s certainly a tough task but it can be done.
Not true, Cincinnati's HC was a DC at OSU and has a pretty good offense.
But the Bearcats playing a G-5 Conference might make it a little easier for Luke
I've said since HC Ash Year 2.
He came in and talked a great game about a fast up-tempo offense.
He made the right type of hire.
OC Mehringer may (likely) have been too inexperienced but the philosophy was right.
Then HC Ash hired OC Kill...... the only OC to repeatedly mention the defense during his press conferences instead of his own offense.
Followed by OC McNulty who literally said "yes that up tempo quick passing drive was great for a TD. But we need to protect our defense and go slow so we can't play like that."
HC Ash got scared after Year 1 and couldn't stomach going through the time needed to change over the offense (at least 2 years).
Or HC Ash lied and resorted to meat-eating football he wanted all along.
Either way the offense never improved and he was rightly fired (3 years too late for me).
Since the discussion has morphed slightly into discussion about offense, I figure I'll post this here. This youtube channel is pretty good at explaining a bunch of offenses and defenses. I posted the one about Heupel's offense in that Tenn thread. I'll post this WF one here and the delayed mesh and an offense trying to figure out how to do more with less.
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This is moronic. Schiano is ‘more of a slow builder ‘. You say that like it’s a strategy. There’s no reason to purposely win later rather than sooner. Do you think there is a single Kansas fan who thinks LL is winning too soon and should dial back the progress ?
That’s the most ridiculous Schiano excuse argument of all time. I’m stunned anyone would say that.
A slow builder is a failing coach. Period. They rarely get long contracts for a reason, unless of course a misguided fan base forces an AD to….
I think their argument is that a slow build lasts longer than a "gimmicky quick turnaround." The problem is that this isn't true in the case of a team like Rutgers. Exactly what great recruits are going to keep coming year after year to an unproven program like ours to build up a talented offense if they don't see results now? A few years go by and the offense still fizzles and they look elsewhere. It's hard to imagine many top recruits are looking at our offense this year saying "it still needs a few more years to be even decent but I'm eager to join in and wait!"
Take a chill pill Schiano is on it and Nunz is OC. There is a group of fans on this board who just bitch and moan about EVERYTHING! Schiano makes a move...board bitches and moans, Schiano doesn't make a move...board bitches and moans. You just can't win with you mopes.
The more I learn the age of many of our posters the more I believe they really are very out of touch with how football works these days. Most (though not all) people get very stuck in their ways and their mindset early in life, by around 30, and cannot change, ever. As a result they carry attitudes for an entire lifetime even long after those attitudes are obsolete. The things I read here--including the music they talk about--reflect fans who are trapped in the past and stubbornly refuse to see it.
If one were to defend the “gimmicky turnaround” concept you might point to Michigan state
The new coach brought in tons of transfers last year and had a very good season, got a long term contract
This year 1-3 in the league with what looks like at least 2 more league losses in the future
it seems like the coach hit gold last year and some of the transfers might have moved in, other players stepping in not so good etc
but , if he were recruiting the high school players well he might return to winning ways, that is to be seen
right now it looks more like a one year thing
Wheezer…yes it looks like MSU isnt sustaining the success from ‘21, but there’s nothing gimmicky about getting transfers. And there is no downside to winning.
I’m not even bitching about Schiano here. I’m only rejecting the absurd above view that a slow build is a good thing and/or better than a fast turnaround.
That truly is the absolute most ridiculous assertion I’ve ever seen. Better to lose now than win now. JFC.
I’m not even bitching about Schiano here. I’m only rejecting the absurd above view that a slow build is a good thing and/or better than a fast turnaround.
That truly is the absolute most ridiculous assertion I’ve ever seen. Better to lose now than win now. JFC.
