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Schiano versus Leipold

At his first 3 years at MAC Buffalo, Leipold was:
13-23 (36.1%)/8-16 (33.3%) in the MAC

Greg after 3 seasons:
12-20 (37.5%) /6-20 (23.1%) in the B1G East.

Objectively, I'd take Greg not knowing the names of the two coaches and only considering the conferences and the records after 3 seasons.

Why are you picking and choosing specific time periods?

Look at his overall career…which is what I’m doing.

A coach with 6 national championships…no matter the level…is more successful and had had a better career than a coach with 0..let alone 0 conference titles.
 
Please don’t compare wining 6 NC’s to glorified HS ball.
FFS, they play in the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.

WW was a juggernaut built b Bob Berzowitz before Leipold took the job, and they continue to be a juggernaut after he left. Let's stop with the nonsense comparing this to P5 football or the old Big East.


 
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FFS, they play in the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.

WW was a juggernaut built b Bob Berzowitz before Leipold took the job, and they continue to be a juggernaut after he left. Let's stop with the nonsense comparing this to P5 football or the old Big East.



The juggernaut with 0 national championships before Leipold.
 
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Why are you picking and choosing specific time periods?

Look at his overall career…which is what I’m doing.

A coach with 6 national championships…no matter the level…is more successful and had had a better career than a coach with 0..let alone 0 conference titles.
I thought you said good night.

Why? We are comparing (1) P5 records and (2) purported rebuilds in the first 3 years. That's why.
You can get all giddy all you want over Whitewater rafting football. That is a plug and play Division III juggernaut that was handed off to Leipold. There is no comparison to coaching in G5 or P5.
 
I thought you said good night.

Why? We are comparing (1) P5 records and (2) purported rebuilds in the first 3 years. That's why.
You can get all giddy all you want over Whitewater rafting football. That is a plug and play Division III juggernaut that was handed off to Leipold. There is no comparison to coaching in G5 or P5.

I’m not comparing D3 to G5.

But football coaching is football coaching. Whether HS, D1, D3, NFL, AFL, etc.
 
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I'm done with your silly arguments.

Great coaching here by Leipold!!! Bwa ha, ha, ha. Who puts a QB out there who can't accurately throw a short forward pass?


Once again, picking and choosing specific timeframes to make your argument instead of looking at the big picture.

And BTW, UW-Whitewater…a combined 0 national championships before Leipold, and a combined 0 national championships after Leipold.

What’s silly is you continuing to call that program a jugguranaut. It was certainly with Lance.

Go RU!
 
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FFS, they play in the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference.

WW was a juggernaut built b Bob Berzowitz before Leipold took the job, and they continue to be a juggernaut after he left. Let's stop with the nonsense comparing this to P5 football or the old Big East.


So your argument is that 6 Nc’s isn’t impressive because the guys before and after won 0?
 
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Once again, picking and choosing specific timeframes to make your argument instead of looking at the big picture.

And BTW, UW-Whitewater…a combined 0 national championships before Leipold, and a combined 0 national championships after Leipold.

What’s silly is you continuing to call that program a jugguranaut. It was certainly with Lance.

Go RU!
Oh come on.. that last play was pathetic. A flea-flicker on a 2-point conversion when your starting QB was ripping it up on a hot streak?

That's almost as bad as losing a SuperBowl by not giving Beast Mode the damn ball!

6 NCs did not get him the W in that bowl.
 
There’s a big difference between a good hire and the right hire.

Greg was the right hire.
That the problem a lot of people only think GS can do it here. I would have much rather went with a winning coach
 
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Leopold is 6-7. Losing season. Maybe this tired discussion can finally die.
Unfortunately he ended the season in a free fall losing 7 out of his last 8 games including another embarrassing defensive performance (Kansas is the last ranked defense in the Big 12) against a mediocre 6-6 Arkansas team that dressed a decimated roster of only 51 scholarship players due to opt outs and transfer portal losses.

The good news for him is that he was already awarded a new contract plus Texas (55-14 L) and Oklahoma (52-42 L) will be exiting the Big 12 which eliminates 2 automatic losses per season. It's not unreasonable to think that Kansas could do well thereafter in a much watered down conference.
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Nice turnaround for Leipold, but this was year 2, and the only decent team Kansas beat was Duke.

Kendal Briles is a great OC. The type of OC Greg needs to hire and let him run the offense without meddling.
He also beat Texas last year. He’s doing a great job at Kansas. I wish we played in games like I see them playing. They are fun to watch and are clearly well coached.
 
Unfortunately he ended the season in a free fall losing 7 out of his last 8 games including another embarrassing defensive performance (Kansas is the last ranked defense in the Big 12) against a mediocre 6-6 Arkansas team that dressed a decimated roster of only 51 scholarship players due to opt outs and transfer portal losses.

The good news for him is that he was already awarded a new contract plus Texas (55-14 L) and Oklahoma (52-42 L) will be exiting the Big 12 which eliminates 2 automatic losses per season. It's not unreasonable to think that Kansas could do well thereafter in a much watered down conference.
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He’s 1-1 against Texas at Kansas.
 
It's a nice year for Kansas and you leave it at that. Doesn't matter if it ended under .500 with the bowl game. Whether it's a flash of respectability or more, we'll see in time. I've said this already a bunch of times here. Kansas has had 4 coaches in a decade and averaged less than 2 wins over that decade or so, 6 wins and bowl in year 2 is very nice job. We'll see what if it leads to some stability and respectability over time.
 
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Oh come on.. that last play was pathetic. A flea-flicker on a 2-point conversion when your starting QB was ripping it up on a hot streak?

That's almost as bad as losing a SuperBowl by not giving Beast Mode the damn ball!

6 NCs did not get him the W in that bowl.
I mean, I would argue that not trusting your offense to try to score with 1:33 on the clock and 3 time outs in a 7 point game just before halftime that we wound up losing by 6 would fall under the same level of aggregious…. Though NOTHING will ever be more pathetic to me than the patented ‘rush the offense while they’re taking a knee’ that Greg has made famous. That doesn’t even address the 3 QB’s in 3 snaps to open the season fiasco…. God almighty Greg Schiano needs to get the hell out of here. This is going to end very Randy Edsall-esque
 
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He’s not going anywhere but the sitting on the ball with a minute and a half and timeouts in a one score game was truly shocking. Worst coaching I’ve ever seen of offensive football.

He essentially told his offense you suck and I don’t believe you can do anything.
 
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He’s not going anywhere but the sitting on the ball with a minute and a half and timeouts in a one score game was truly shocking. Worst coaching I’ve ever seen of offensive football.

He essentially told his offense you suck and I don’t believe you can do anything.
And of course, it wound up being the last game we actually had a chance to win…

Can we also talk about the Nebraska fiasco that was an inexcusable loss?

Between both MSU and Nebraska, I’m convinced our coaching staff lost us both games. This team had every ability to go 6-6, but the coaching staff failed to put them in the right situations. This past season was imo, Ash level Gameday coaching. It was criminal that Greg is making $4 million for that display, and following it up with a slew of excuses and blaming the refs (who could forget how it was the refs fault that PSU beat us by 45). Worst coach in the big ten
 
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Agreed. Nebraska was just as bad. Losing to an interim coach on your own field in year 3 is inexcusable. That lost a lot of the goodwill left in my mind.
 
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Agreed. Nebraska was just as bad. Losing to an interim coach on your own field in year 3 is inexcusable. That lost a lot of the goodwill left in my mind.
Additionally like 8 players on MSU were suspended for our game.. Iowa had no offense whatsoever this year either. We had the perfect setup, weak OOC schedule to ensure 3 early wins. Iowa with no offense, no wisconson this year, Nebraska firing their coach mid season, msu turning into a dumpster fire, the table was SET! If we can’t win under those conditions in year 3, we simply can’t win with this staff
 
He’s 1-1 against Texas at Kansas.
Lol - a 1 point win v a reeling 4-6 Texas team at the time in overtime while giving up 56 points. In more recent times Texas blew them off the field this year 55-14.

He's 4-14 in conference play in 2 years, has the worst defense in the Big 12 and 107th nationally. Good for him that they extended / restructured his contract before his team's collapsed at year end. Does anyone know if he has Schiano's agent?
 
Lol - a 1 point win v a reeling 4-6 Texas team at the time in overtime while giving up 56 points. In more recent times Texas blew them off the field this year 55-14.

He's 4-14 in conference play in 2 years, has the worst defense in the Big 12 and 107th nationally. Good for him that they extended / restructured his contract before his team's collapsed at year end. Does anyone know if he has Schiano's agent?
What’s his offense ranked? Higher than our defense I bet.
 
Only to the Schianoites who are saying that Leipold is a fraud because he’s doing this in the B12. And that the 6 D3 championships don’t count.

And that he will never be a Jersey Guy.
I'm not a Schianoite, but I think it is early to hand Leipold a crown given his record at Kansas'.
 
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Dumbest mantra ever. The kids sure believe it though. They treat the ball like it’s a baby.
You can see how tentative the QBs are and how often they throw it away. It's probably why Simon got benched because he turned the ball over too much. As we saw with Teel and Nova, for some QBs, they have to learn to read the defense and fit balls into tight windows. Probably also why Snyder elected to leave. He's a gun slinger and is not afraid to chuck the rock into small windows. It showed yesterday, and he nearly had a couple of picks, but they won. There is a saying in the fire service that COULD apply: Risk a little to gain a little, risk a lot to gain a lot (deep pass). At Rutgers, the saying is, don't take any risks, the ball is the program.
 
And of course, it wound up being the last game we actually had a chance to win…

Can we also talk about the Nebraska fiasco that was an inexcusable loss?

Between both MSU and Nebraska, I’m convinced our coaching staff lost us both games. This team had every ability to go 6-6, but the coaching staff failed to put them in the right situations. This past season was imo, Ash level Gameday coaching. It was criminal that Greg is making $4 million for that display, and following it up with a slew of excuses and blaming the refs (who could forget how it was the refs fault that PSU beat us by 45). Worst coach in the big ten
I actually don’t disagree. Coaching lost us those 2 games. I also think the Iowa game could have been a hell of a lot closer.
We also outplayed BC and Temple by much more than the scores too.
I don’t want the guy you guys are loving in here either.
But this was a horrible Schiano year. And easily could have been a great one.
 
I actually don’t disagree. Coaching lost us those 2 games. I also think the Iowa game could have been a hell of a lot closer.
We also outplayed BC and Temple by much more than the scores too.
I don’t want the guy you guys are loving in here either.
But this was a horrible Schiano year. And easily could have been a great one.
Don’t think it could have been great..but it certainly was horrible….Ashian.
 
Don’t think it could have been great..but it certainly was horrible….Ashian.
just spin the losses against Neb and MSU into wins- and both could have been, and a 6 win season, going to a bowl this year would have been at least 2 games above what most people predicted. It would have been a great season.
 
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You can see how tentative the QBs are and how often they throw it away. It's probably why Simon got benched because he turned the ball over too much. As we saw with Teel and Nova, for some QBs, they have to learn to read the defense and fit balls into tight windows. Probably also why Snyder elected to leave. He's a gun slinger and is not afraid to chuck the rock into small windows. It showed yesterday, and he nearly had a couple of picks, but they won. There is a saying in the fire service that COULD apply: Risk a little to gain a little, risk a lot to gain a lot (deep pass). At Rutgers, the saying is, don't take any risks, the ball is the program.
Snyder elected to leave because he was falling to 3rd on depth chart and fighting Simon for that.
He seen the writing on wall and decided to go home , he was raised an hour or 2 away from Buffalo in Lakewood,NY
It was a good decision by him.
Only thing the coaching had to do with his decision was a depth chart one, not game strategy..
I look for Simon to look for a program he can have a better chance to start at and if he does well in 2024 Evan will be the next Slinging Sammy Baugh to have left Rutgers in some poster's eyes.
One thing I will agree on, is RU hasn't had a QB to brag about in a long time.
So braging about those who left is going to happen..

Will give credit to Lance having more offensive balls than GREG.
Schiano wouldn't have run a play in the first OT like Lance did on fourth down
and a foot or two to get TD, Greg would have went for FG and hoped the D & ST would keep the Hogs from scoring.
More than likely losing the game with a conservative approach
 
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That the problem a lot of people only think GS can do it here. I would have much rather went with a winning coach
I don’t feel that way.

I just think Schiano was/is building a college football program and a guy like Lance, isn’t.

For example, “chop” right now kind of sucks, but when we were winning it was a fun thing the players, coaches, and fan base were all behind.

It has a roll tide, war eagle, we are, etc… feel to it in the sense that it’s our thing.

That’s just one example, but that’s part of why I wanted GS. Hobbs and Ash stripped that foundation away from us, I wanted it back.

Obviously if GS doesn’t win, it won’t be back. But I think he’s going to, and in 30-40 years our future coaches will continue to say “chop” and they will continue to honor the brand.

That’s the problem, Rutgers football has a shit brand.
 
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