I’d like to see Greg beat teams we’re supposed to lose to more often. Can we at least get one big upset?
Pike did that alot. There’s the difference between the two.
Schiano versus Leipold
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I’d like to see Greg beat teams we’re supposed to lose to more often. Can we at least get one big upset?
Pike did that alot. There’s the difference between the two.
In fact, though Schiano never upsets anyone much better he has a history of regularly losing games where he's the favorite, sometimes badly. That doesn't predict great things. Ultimately he's very mediocre as a HC until he proves otherwise
Obviously we have 2006 vs UL but I do get your point. The two games this year we had a “chance” to upset ( based on point spread) were Iowa and OSU. Pretty sure you and I can agree that was going to be a difficult task. I love being in the B1G ( watching the womens soccer as I type). Would never want to drop to a lower conference. I stand by giving Greg at least 4 years.
That’s why Vegas makes money By people think a 7 point spread is “not difficult” to overcome. Now can it happen? Sure. Were the odds against us? Yup.
of course. That’s why it would have been an upset.
7 point favorites lose all the time. But with Schiano and Rutgers it’s deemed almost impossible by our fans. Cause per my point, he doesn’t have a great history of upsets
Yes. That was a big upset at the time. Would love to see more.
though to be fair BC isn’t the team everyone thought they were in the summer
Got Wisconsin totally wrong lol. They made a change and Chryst is out and Leonhard is in.
Minnesota is going to be our best chance this season in my opinion.
could be the RU team will prove better then you think it is by the end of this season and go bowling for the second straight year.
Yes I kow last year;s Gator Bowl appearance wasn't realty because of record, but the record was good enough to get the invite..
that change surprised me.
I'm wondering if they feel they can get a great replacement if Jim Leonhard doesn't wow them with the shot he's getting as the interim HC..
Don't know what the buyout is, but Chryst was getting over &5 mil a year and I beleive he just was extended through January 31, 2027.last year.
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Kansas took us to the woodshed A few years ago
That's your idea of an upset? BC is currently ranked lower than 100. A real upset would've been Michigan. A real upset is Appalachian State going into Texas A&M and winning, Marshall beating Notre Dame, Georgia Southern beating Nebraska, a couple of weeks ago. All of those teams were away and playing vastly bigger, richer programs with far greater talent. BC is a program on our level.
What was the point spread going into the game? Yes it was an upset. Just like beating Iowa would have been an upset
If you're satisfied with that then good for you. But I guarantee you the rest of college football is not impressed by that kind of upset and will not take notice of it. You have to beat better programs to move the needle.
Yeah...perhaps because Leipold inherited a much better situation and team.
Did you miss the RU-KU game in 2018?
I do think it's interesting that when Kansas wins with defense it's great but when we do it it's terrible.
I'm not sure what place facts like this have in this discussion.
People want to pretend that 2018-19 didn't happen because it upsets the narrative.
I saw a graphic the other day about Kansas. They averaged 1.9 wins from 2010-2021 or some range close to that. They also had stats on the PPG and average point loss/game in that same period and they were the worst in the P5 in those categories. There was also one other stat but I've forgotten what that was but it was also worst in the P5. Les Miles was fired because of treatment of women at LSU. Kansas was about as bad as you can get .
No doubt they were bad.
But when we faced off...they absolutely blew us out. I remember texting my friends that game saying it was the end of the Ash error approaching.
We won 2 games in 18 and 19 too. The only reason they probably suck more on the points scale was because of the offensive nature of the B12 vs B1G.
Our rebuild is much tougher...we sucked more, we're in the toughest division of CFB and can't take the academic risks they can.
I hate to use Iowa as a measuring stick for points allowed
They scored three touchdowns, all in unusual way, or a gift from the refs
you can look at Syracuse, who had two gift wins, as a team getting the breaks in an opposite way
Football a funny game
Some times the final score does not indicate what happened on the field, yet the final score is what matters
Pure definition of an upset is what I go by. Of course both teams are weak where was I questioning that. If you talk “bigger” upset chances we played 2 teams. OSU and Iowa. OSU was never happening which then leaves us with Iowa. Point spread alone we should be 2-3 we sit 3-2. Nothing more nothing less.
Stop looking for an argument. I never wrote I was satisfied with it. Just stating the facts
It's one game. It's the trend that gives the picture. Ash beat Brohm, does that mean he's a better coach or we were better than Purdue? No, it's just a game. Ash left a big mess no doubt but things can be turned and it's not as hopeless as one may think on first blush.
As far as just what we can be, I think it's more than some think here.
I think quite a few here get lost in the aura and names and stature of the programs but don't actually see or read about how these teams play and perform. OSU/Michigan/PSU/MSU/Wisconsin etc...ooh the big bad boys of the B10.
IMO there is only one big bad boy in the B10 and it's OSU. The rest are off and on and can be beat and aren't consistently dominating. Even freaking UGA was pushed around on offense by Mizzou this past weekend. Alabama has been bullied by teams on occasion the last couple years. (in wins fortunately for them)
I think some get lost in recruiting rankings and stature/status rather than seeing how teams play. Can you imagine WF has beaten FSU 3 times in a row. They just did. Take a look at the vast difference in their recruiting rankings. They challenged Clemson too and the recruiting rankings gap is even bigger there. How about KSU and OU that's a huge gap too and KSU has beaten them 3 out 4 times, with 2 of them in Norman. If you look past the rankings and status and see how teams actually perform and play, more than you think on first blush is actually possible.
I also don't think of the NIL and portal as making it harder like others here, if anything it has spread the talent around more IMO. The talent at the top has been spread a little more (Texas, A&M and some others outside of Bama) and farther down the totem pole, playing time and opportunity still matter.
I wish they would tell us what dispensary is giving them the stuff that makes them think the team that was pummelled by Kansas in 2018 should be beating Ohio State 4 years later. Gotta be a good spot.
Great job, bud!! It's as if you were on my keyboard.
Re: Ash vs Brohm, certainly Purdue has lost to many bad teams under him (IIRC he pulled an Ash and lost to EMU) but they always set it off by beating at least one very good team they shouldn't. Ash, not so much. Purdue I think was his only win against a bowl team his entire tenure other than maybe New Mexico or New Mexico State.
Moreso I look at Kansas as a litmus test of where the programs were. We were a worse team than Kansas IMO.
I agree with your other points, there's no reason we can't beat non-tOSU teams, we've beaten or pushed every other division opponent to the brink. I generally share your take about what kind of program we can be in this conference. I mean, we had Michigan on the line the past two years alone. People see what they want or don't.
Kansas 55
Rutgers 14
Maybe they were a little bit ahead, no? I mean they did beat us by 41 points in 2018. And Greg was hired just 18 months after this game. We closed a 41 point gap in Ash's last season? I think I may be a bit skeptical about that.
I remember when the hoops board used to do this with Pikiell and everyone they thought we should have hired instead of Pikeill.
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‘Betting underdogs’ yes. But small spreads don’t mean actual upsets. Upset means very surprising result.
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In 2020, two years LATER, Kansas went WINLESS, so no they weren't ahead. They lost to Coastal Carolina 38 to 23 that year.
Please stop. He took over in 2021 a team that was 0-9 in 2020. At least a Greg’s teams had wins the year before he took over.
Neither inherited a good situation or a good team. One is just mlb much better coach.
You have to be kidding.
In 2019, Rutgers beat a horrific 1-11 UMass team, and they beat Liberty after Ash was fired, on the strength of the Johnny Langan show.
It should not be forgotten that even with his 5-0 start. Leopold is 7-10 and 3-8 since taking over. In his first 17 games back, Greg was 7-10 and 4-10. Greg has a higher winning percentage in a much tougher conference than Leopold in the first 17 games.
Greg's losses included #3 Michigan, #6 Ohio State, #9 Michigan State, #2 Ohio State (2020), #12 Indiana (2020). That's five top 12 teams-end of season rankings.
Leopold lost to #10 Oklahoma, #7 Oklahoma State and #5 Baylor.
Quite a difference in schedule and competition. As the very reasonable @rutgersguy1 has said numerous times, let's see how the records play out over time. Short term results are really meaningless unless they translate into a longer trend of a couple of years. See Mel Tucker. Or Scott Frost. No need to strap on Jayhawks pom poms after 5 easy games in 2022 after a horrific start.
And don't forget that Rutgers has overhauled the roster. There's not a single OL or DL from 2019 starting on this year's team. Or a linebacker. Or a QB (excluding Langan), or a TE,. The roster had to be purged.
In year 2, Leipold is working with a QB who has had substantial game experience. And an experienced OL/DL full of seniors and juniors.
Please stop with the much better coach nonsense until we have a larger sample size.
please stop telling me to stop posting my opinions. This is a message board. Where you are allowed to post opinions.
And what you responded to above was a FACT.
Leipold took over an 0-9 team. To say he took over a “much better situation” than Greg is silly.
