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Schiano versus Leipold

I get it is not Madden football. That said imagine we played Kansas schedule and they played ours. Still feel the same way about Leipold?
So far Kansas has beaten 3 P5 teams, we've beaten one, and it's ranked 106 on the Massey composite, lower than the 3 teams they've beaten (and Temple is ranked 122). Certainly Kansas would've been crushed by Ohio State, too, though they probably would've scored more, but they're doing more in Year 2 than we are in Year 3. And they have an offense to watch. We get to see 3 and outs all day.
 
So far Kansas has beaten 3 P5 teams, we've beaten one, and it's ranked 106 on the Massey composite, lower than the 3 teams they've beaten (and Temple is ranked 122). Certainly Kansas would've been crushed by Ohio State, too, though they probably would've scored more, but they're doing more in Year 2 than we are in Year 3. And they have an offense to watch. We get to see 3 and outs all day.
Doubt Kansas scores more vs Iowa then we did and certainly loses to OSU. If you believe they beat Temple and BC ( obviously Wagner) then they sit exactly where we are. They whole “they are doing more”………..don’t see it. We have their schedule you don’t see as many 3 and outs.
 
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Doubt Kansas scores more vs Iowa then we did and certainly loses to OSU. If you believe they beat Temple and BC ( obviously Wagner) then they sit exactly where we are. They whole “they are doing more”………..don’t see it. We have their schedule you don’t see as many 3 and outs.

they’re a top 25 team. Don’t understand how you don’t see it.
 
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they’re a top 25 team. Don’t understand how you don’t see it.

The point being made is at the end of the day the best they would be with our schedule is 4-1 and that’s far from a given. We are 3-2. Each game is an entity in itself. They have not played a defense as good as Iowa or OSU’s yet. Not even close.
 
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Doubt Kansas scores more vs Iowa then we did and certainly loses to OSU. If you believe they beat Temple and BC ( obviously Wagner) then they sit exactly where we are. They whole “they are doing more”………..don’t see it. We have their schedule you don’t see as many 3 and outs.
I don't agree Kansas would've scored as little against Iowa. And remember they're in Year 2. Also, there's no reason to believe we would've beaten all the P5 teams they beat since our team squeaked by over a very bad BC.
 
The point being made is at the end of the day the best they would be with our schedule is 4-1 and that’s far from a given. We are 3-2. Each game is an entity in itself. They have not played a defense as good as Iowa or OSU’s yet. Not even close.

My point is theyr topm25 and we’ll likely be in the 60s???

To say they aren’t farther along than us is incredibly silly
 
The point being made is at the end of the day the best they would be with our schedule is 4-1 and that’s far from a given. We are 3-2. Each game is an entity in itself. They have not played a defense as good as Iowa or OSU’s yet. Not even close.
And do you think this Rutgers team would've beaten WVU, Duke AND Iowa State, plus Houston?
 
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I don't agree Kansas would've scored as little against Iowa. And remember they're in Year 2.
Year 2 in that conference with that Schedule night and day different then year 3 in ours with our schedule. Oh yeah then there is that Ash recovery that so many forget about. Will not happen quickly. Our depth is horrible.
 
We’re talking a better coach than Schiano though. Which is what this thread is comparing
My point is you can say he is better. Not seeing that much of a difference in record and he is not doing it in the B1G
 
Year 2 in that conference with that Schedule night and day different then year 3 in ours with our schedule. Oh yeah then there is that Ash recovery that so many forget about. Will not happen quickly. Our depth is horrible.
Our schedule so far has not been very tough with the exception of Ohio State. And Kansas was down longer than we were.
 
My point is you can say he is better. Not seeing that much of a difference in record and he is not doing it in the B1G

it’s more than the record. It’s the eye test. .

Leipold and Kansans are in a better spot than Greg and Rutgers. Leipold in year 2, Greg in year 3.

That’s unfortunately end of story
 
it’s more than the record. It’s the eye test. .

Leipold and Kansans are in a better spot than Greg and Rutgers. Leipold in year 2, Greg in year 3.

That’s unfortunately end of story
Only thing that matters is your record at the end of the day. You and I know that.
 
totally disagree. Ask the 2017 UCF Knights.

Respect, rankings, exposure matter.
You are giving me an outlier. Everyone knew UCF should have never been ranked that high. Lance has a .500 record over 8 years in much weaker conferences then Rutgers. What makes you so sure that he can do that in the B1G? I will go further ………..with Rutgers current roster?
 
You are giving me an outlier. Everyone knew UCF should have never been ranked that high. Lance has a .500 record over 8 years in much weaker conferences then Rutgers. What makes you so sure that he can do that in the B1G? I will go further ………..with Rutgers current roster?

My outlier disproves your point that the only thing that matters is record. That couldn’t be further from the truth.

And Please quote where I said Leipold can succeed at Rutgers. No clue if he can or would.

All I said is Kansas/Leipold are much farther along than Greg/Rutgers. Don’t know how this is even debatable
 
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And I don’t think Kansas will be top 25 for very long. When do they start playing the ranked teams?
 
My outlier disproves your point that the only thing that matters is record. That couldn’t be further from the truth.

And Please quote where I said Leipold can succeed at Rutgers. No clue if he can or would.

All I said is Kansas/Leipold are much farther along than Greg/Rutgers. Don’t know how this is even debatable
What good is being father along at Kansas in a weaker conference then Rutgers in a tougher conference?

Please explain your “eye test”. This thread was about Schiano vs Leipold.
 
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Many of his fans seen to care more about Schiano than Rutgers football so they get very defensive about him. Any endorsement of another coach is a direct threat. But these are the people who insisted loudly that Schiano must be re-hired, and for 8 years, and that he was by far the best choice, and that he had learned things (even though he was mostly not a HC while he was away). With the team limping along in Year 3 they have more explaining to do than just saying critics are Syracuse fans or Schiano needs more time and money. He's like George McClellan, always demanding more troops and supplies and then only ever delivering mediocre results.
"only ever delivering mediocre results."
yes the Gator Bowl loss last year was a mediocre result.
This season isn't over but some act like it's a disaster , even if a bowl invite is still a possibility.
The Kansas and Kansans St Head Coaches would have been good choices accepted by most RU fans based on their previous results.
But most that defend Schiano's hiring over them are basing their defense on how he fits the area , past tenure at RU when he took a clown show and made it a respected program.
The trust is there for Greg while Lance (2-10 at Kansas) & Klieman (20-16 in 3 years at K-St)wouldn't be a factor with those records until this season and Lance needs to prove next year this season wasn't a fluke
So realistically they wouldn't be in the picture and would have faced opposition from most of the fanbase even though successful at the programs they were at before their current teams.

Klieman was 8-5 at K-St the season before Greg came back to RU.
Through he had great success at a lower level, I doubt the don't want Greg crowd would have considered him a great choice
I felt he had coaching chops, but wondered if it fit rebuilding a program he wasn't familure with the area.

Leipold dropped down from 10-4 in 2018 to 8-5 in 2019 at Buffalo , so in 2020 his stock wasn't as strong as it is now and many RU fans cxould point that out as the reason they felt Schiano was a better choice..
5-7 last year earning a bowl bid might just be a reason to think so , even if the winning record RU has nnow isn't really impressive , it's a reason to feel the program is moving forward and has a chance to make a bowl game again.

Yes many of the fanbase loudly claimed Schiano needs to be the one hired and helped Hobbs make the derision to hire him.
Right now Rutgers is showing the type of improvement that Schiano1 brought to RU before.
Long term results need to be looked at as something needed and instant gratification sometimes doesn't last.

That's the reason Greg is the right man for the RU job, even if some of the RU FB fanbase look on the job as an easy fix in which Schiano isn't doing fast enough for them and claiming their opposition to him being hired over their choice makes them a target ffor Schiano supporters .
Not so and playing the victim card is out of place when discussing coaching choices for a 3-2 program that just got blown out by a great OSU team , but RU is still being looked on as a bowl possibility by many college football followers, even if the ones that aree down on Greg feel the season ended because the wrong coach is leading RU.
 
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What good is being father along at Kansas in a weaker conference then Rutgers in a tougher conference?

Please explain your “eye test”. This thread was about Schiano vs Leipold.

So youd rather be dragging in a better conference then killing in a weaker conference? C’mon dude. Cinci says hello!!!!

What good is being farther along?? College GameDay on campus. National exposure.

You’re being silly, all due respect
 
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What good is being father along at Kansas in a weaker conference then Rutgers in a tougher conference?

Please explain your “eye test”. This thread was about Schiano vs Leipold.

my eye test is this:

watch rutgers play. Then watch Kansas play.

that will help you decide who’s father along..Greg and Rutgers or Lance and Kansas
 
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You are giving me an outlier. Everyone knew UCF should have never been ranked that high. Lance has a .500 record over 8 years in much weaker conferences then Rutgers. What makes you so sure that he can do that in the B1G? I will go further ………..with Rutgers current roster?
However highly ranked they were they went to the Peach Bowl and beat Auburn. Schiano never accomplished anything like that in over 10 years. Our fans assured themselves that Schiano was building something more durable than a flash in the pan, single season to remember. We never got it. All we have is a single regular season game, that some of our fans rewatch 16 years later. I'd trade years of mediocrity for that single, flash in the pan season.
 
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So youd rather be dragging in a better conference then killing in a weaker conference? C’mon dude. Cinci says hello!!!!

What good is being farther along?? College GameDay on campus. National exposure.

You’re being silly, all due respect
Silly? Just stop. Look at the big picture. 5-0 in a weaker conference vs 3-2. Are you telling me you’d rather root for Kansas? Do you want Rutgers out of the B1G? National Exposure? Between playing in the B1G and being an hour from NYC It means more to Kansas having College game day then it does Rutgers.
 
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my eye test is this:

watch rutgers play. Then watch Kansas play.

that will help you decide who’s father along..Greg and Rutgers or Lance and Kansas
Still not getting it. 5-0;versus weaker schedule. Kansas was farther along when Lance took over then the garbage dump Ash left Greg. Let’s put a pin in this. Get back to me in a year
 
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it’s more than the record. It’s the eye test. .

Leipold and Kansans are in a better spot than Greg and Rutgers. Leipold in year 2, Greg in year 3.

That’s unfortunately end of story
Yes and as I said then, better by the eye test by the end of last year even at 2-10. Obvious except to the pro Schiano crowd.

It doesn’t matter in the least how Kansas would do in the Big10 any more than it matters how many homers Aaron Judge would hit if he played on the 1978 Pirates.

A home run is a home run and being ranked is being ranked. Leipold is succeeding and Schiano is not.
 
Still not getting it. 5-0;versus weaker schedule. Kansas was farther along when Lance took over then the garbage dump Ash left Greg. Let’s put a pin in this. Get back to me in a year
Kansas was farther along? Is that why they fired their coach? They were ranked lower than Rutgers the year before Leopold took over. No way did they have any significantly better talent.

Who knows how far Leopold will go? But he's turned his team around better and faster than Schiano. The shame is that Schiano did a great job in Year 1 going from rock bottom to at least a team that was in games amd was hard to beat. But progress has stalled. This team is certainly no better than 2 years ago, and much less interesting.
 
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Still not getting it. 5-0;versus weaker schedule. Kansas was farther along when Lance took over then the garbage dump Ash left Greg. Let’s put a pin in this. Get back to me in a year

If you’re still not getting it, I don’t know what to say.

Maybe you haven’t seen Kansas play this season? Then ok, I get it.

if so I recommend watching and get back to me with your thoughts on who’s farther along.

And Lance also took over a garbage dump in Kansas just to get history straight.
 
Kansas was farther along? Is that why they fired their coach? They were ranked lower than Rutgers the year before Leopold took over. No way did they have any significantly better talent.

Who knows how far Leopold will go? But he's turned his team around better and faster than Schiano. The shame is that Schiano did a great job in Year 1 going from rock bottom to at least a team that was in games amd was hard to beat. But progress has stalled. This team is certainly no better than 2 years ago, and much less interesting.
Teams fire coaches it happens. I fully stand by the fact that Ash left us a garbage dump. Combining that with playing in the B1G much more difficult task then Lance at Kansas. So far this year Rutgers has beat the teams they were suppose to and lost to the teams that they were suppose to. Now the fun begins. If they can win 3 more games they most likely make a bowl. I have always said this is at least a 4 year build. Need to be patient. Many killed Coach Pike. We waited and now are reaping the benefits. Think the same happens for Greg.
 
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