Paul and Alejandra Foster Pavilion
Paul and Alejandra Foster Pavilion for Baylor Bears
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Some similarities to our renderings here and there.
Semi OT: $200M New Baylor Arena Downsize + Premium Seating Receiving Universal Praise
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Some similarities to our renderings here and there.
Seems to be the trend. Didn't Texas open up a smaller venue last year too?
Baylor is a private school with an incredible rich donor and fanbase albeit not a large fanbase. Completely different situation than Rutgers
Plus they never had something called the RAC which when the team is legit is in the top 5 atmospheres in the country
Plus they never had something called the RAC which when the team is legit is in the top 5 atmospheres in the country
Doesn't mean the RAC will stay that way or not be superseded by other, newer arenas. Change sometimes is necessary.
Also not located near a major metro area. It’s not like people can get there after work in Dallas or Houston. If RU continues the upward trajectory, there’s no reason we couldn’t easily sell out 10k+ seats.
Holy cow, the "pitch" of the seating seems to be at a greater incline than the RAC, and it's all around the court. The fans are literally on top of the court. Gonna be a CRAZY place to play a game for opposing teams.
Paul and Alejandra Foster Pavilion
Paul and Alejandra Foster Pavilion for Baylor Bearsbaylorbears.com
Some similarities to our renderings here and there.
Steep pitch means no leg room. May look great, but the seats are probably ultra-uncomfortable to sit in.
Beautiful.
I love intimate, smaller venues.
When you’re good tickets are like gold for big, important games.
That’s always huge positive press
I love intimate, smaller venues.
When you’re good tickets are like gold for big, important games.
That’s always huge positive press
I feel like 10 to 12 is a sweet spot. 7,500 is tiny.
Need to balance that intimate vibe with not having tickets cost too much because it’s too exclusive.
stadiums built in the early to mid 2000s are around that 12k mark
Oregon, Pitt come to mind.
But maybe that works for Baylor being in Waco. Does look awesome!
Need to balance that intimate vibe with not having tickets cost too much because it’s too exclusive.
stadiums built in the early to mid 2000s are around that 12k mark
Oregon, Pitt come to mind.
But maybe that works for Baylor being in Waco. Does look awesome!
This is EXACTLY why most of the RAC reno plans are almost perfect:
- more seats on the student end in the corners
- keeping the slope/ceiling so as not to **** with the noise
- put students in 1st 2 rows surrounding the court
....HOWEVER, IMHO....just extend upwards/fill in corners, of 118, and put the Club/VIP stuff up where the offices are and BOOM! Not ****ing at all with the sound/intimacy/etc and still adding $$$$-seating and amenities.
- more seats on the student end in the corners
- keeping the slope/ceiling so as not to **** with the noise
- put students in 1st 2 rows surrounding the court
....HOWEVER, IMHO....just extend upwards/fill in corners, of 118, and put the Club/VIP stuff up where the offices are and BOOM! Not ****ing at all with the sound/intimacy/etc and still adding $$$$-seating and amenities.
Doesn't look any different than the 200's and 300's @ THE RAC. Also looks like the sideline seats, on either side, have a pretty good amount of leg room between rows. The corners and upper level seats not as much. Probably took that all into consideration when designing the place.
I’d rather we add 4,000 seats…generate an extra 3 million annually in seat/concessions/parking revenue. Generate more revenue from renting out the facility for concerts. Indexed to inflation, the extra seats and revenues would eventually pay for a lot of a new facility. Assuming a new arena would be around 500 million, over 30 years, those could pay for about 25-50%.
We should also be doing this with the football stadium - which mostly sits empty 350 nights a year. PNC is great and all for concerts, but it feels like it’s seen better days.
here and there..maybe. There is clearly end seating both sides and all around (put 118 back!) Premium is pushed higher leaving plenty of fan seats in the lower area.
Paul and Alejandra Foster Pavilion
Paul and Alejandra Foster Pavilion for Baylor Bearsbaylorbears.com
Some similarities to our renderings here and there.
I do like it though.
Can’t see us filling a 12k arena tbh
Where we’re at now is pretty good
Iirc town wont allow concerts and there are a lot of other venue options locally
We sold out of season tix 2 years ago at 8k. We can definitely get at least 2k more season ticket holders. Time to start thinking big. The sleeping giant is awake and hungry.
We give 1k tix a game to stubhub and you can always get tix for pretty cheap.
Maybe a year here or there we could but it would be a shame to forego cooler hospitality for usual unsold few thousand seats.
StubHub gets nothing from RU. RU's contract is with SeatGeek.
Two separate contracts for different things the way I understand it. Or maybe they moved everything together. Either way it’s
1k for bball 5K for football.
Good for Baylor - looks like a nice facility that may be good for their uber rich donors and alumni and their relatively small undergraduate population (15,000)
I don’t see how a new arena at a private school like Baylor has much to do with a renovated RAC at a massive public University that doesn’t have many willing deep pocket donors.
I did get a good chuckle out of the “Universal praise” in the title only to see a tweet from that dork Doug Gottlieb and two other random Twitter accounts lol.
I don’t see how a new arena at a private school like Baylor has much to do with a renovated RAC at a massive public University that doesn’t have many willing deep pocket donors.
I did get a good chuckle out of the “Universal praise” in the title only to see a tweet from that dork Doug Gottlieb and two other random Twitter accounts lol.
Houston’s arena opened/re-opened(?) within the last 5 years the Feritta center holds 7,100 ( @RUDiddy777 ). These arenas are getting rave reviews for home environment and game day atmosphere.
Hobbs is onto something here and the way he is handling the RAC Reno/arena situation seems to be putting RU basketball in good hands going forward.
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Yeah last year I think I forget what it’s called but remember seeing it cut basketball attendance capacity by about 40% or so to 10,000ish.
This. Plus Baylor has about half the students of RU, so 7500 is fine for them. We really need 10K.
Baylor's arena looks beautiful. But with that said, they're a small private university. We're a behemoth state university, and we deserve an arena that's state-of-the-art and seats at least 10K. We've been selling out 8K on a regular basis. You want to increase revenue, add 2,000 more seats, add more parking, and put together a front lobby expansion that's SOA. You DON'T do this by making your attendance smaller and then having Chi-Chi pavilion areas and premium seats. They're going to either sit empty (see Yankee Stadium) or the price for those season tickets will have to be reduced because they're not going to be in demand. Don't price out long-term season ticket holders. That, to me, is truly a shortsighted business decision.
In my view, Hobbs is thinking small-time, short-term. He needs to understand the bigger picture and not what's in vogue at smaller private schools. After all, most of us are not looking for a 15K-seat arena. Just make it coincide with our B1G brothers' arenas not named Northwestern.
In my view, Hobbs is thinking small-time, short-term. He needs to understand the bigger picture and not what's in vogue at smaller private schools. After all, most of us are not looking for a 15K-seat arena. Just make it coincide with our B1G brothers' arenas not named Northwestern.
Maybe its just me, but I'm not blown away by how their arena looks
Its ok
I am more concerned with bathrooms, wider concourse and minor tweaking of our seating, maybe rounding out the corners with seats
If we want to add some premium stuff, don't let that cause any sacrifice
Its ok
I am more concerned with bathrooms, wider concourse and minor tweaking of our seating, maybe rounding out the corners with seats
If we want to add some premium stuff, don't let that cause any sacrifice
Less is more in terms of the number of seats, especially at Rutgers. Look at football, which hasn't legitimately sold out a game in almost a decade. Expanding the stadium was completely unnecessary.
The RAC renovation plans seem okay but I don't like the emphasis on VIP/club seats that almost nobody can afford. That email survey from RU Athletics that almost exclusively focused on ultra-expensive seats was bizarre.
The RAC renovation plans seem okay but I don't like the emphasis on VIP/club seats that almost nobody can afford. That email survey from RU Athletics that almost exclusively focused on ultra-expensive seats was bizarre.
Not true, according to Delany. It wasn't a talking point when discussing B1G expansion.
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2022/11/how-rutgers-crashed-the-big-ten.html
This Baylor arena looks to have a severe slope like the JMA. Love it.
Money talks if people up.
Didn't read through this
Article, but I remember that it was reported that the big ten commish asked if we could build a new stadium, to which we said no, having already expanded to its current capacity
I’d love to see us set up a shuttle to the Edison train station. But that’s a good point.
Beautiful new arena. The outside is particularly stunning
We all love the old barn, but the place is terribly outdated
Class it up, add some primo seats, and expand to a max of 9500-10k
Still don't love the idea of students in the first few rows of the sideline (not needed)
Love the idea of adding clubs in between 100 and 200 level - might take out 10 rows, but the revenue would be great
Club up the area behind 118 where the offices used to be (ala Indiana), and we're good w/the primo seating
Still don't get how they said we'll be shrinking down to 7700 if you do all that, build up 118 to mimic student section and round off the corners of 118 and 108-110
Seems that would add seats not decrease, no?
We all love the old barn, but the place is terribly outdated
Class it up, add some primo seats, and expand to a max of 9500-10k
Still don't love the idea of students in the first few rows of the sideline (not needed)
Love the idea of adding clubs in between 100 and 200 level - might take out 10 rows, but the revenue would be great
Club up the area behind 118 where the offices used to be (ala Indiana), and we're good w/the primo seating
Still don't get how they said we'll be shrinking down to 7700 if you do all that, build up 118 to mimic student section and round off the corners of 118 and 108-110
Seems that would add seats not decrease, no?
