Singleton and Bell

[LevaosLectures]

If Ash lands these guys (and I put each at like a 15% probability) after THAT season, then he will be nothing short of a damn miracle worker.

TH's latest article makes this appear more likely than I had ever considered it to be (0%).

http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2016/11/rutgers_football_recruiting_update_nov_28.html#0

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

What are the odds that the negatoids here will shut up about Ash if he lands one or both of them?

0%?

 

[RUwoz]

What are the odds that the negatoids here will shut up about Ash if he lands one or both of them?

0%?

What are the chances the positoids here start criticizing Ash if he lands another 30-50 ranked class?

0%

See it works both ways, almost like everyone should just shut up until next year about coaching and not get too excited/depressed either way

 

[chase07470]

Out of all the kids I've heard talk recruiting over the years, Singleton has the best grasp of what the decision should be about and that's finding a coach and program who will make him the best player he can be. He knows Ash will do that and he knows he'll get right on the field. Would not be surprised at all to see him come to Rutgers.

Bell should follow his lead. Two impact players who join a great group already onboard. Change would come real fast if we got these two guys.

 

[koleszar]

Bell should follow his lead. Two impact players who join a great group already onboard. Change would come real fast if we got these two guys.

Problem is kids don't want to start something on their own. They want the shinny toy which is already established. Takes a really special kid to want to do something on his own and not follow what his peers and others tell him he should do. A lot of kids just want to be another cog in the machine. It takes a lot more work to build the machine yourself.

 

[theRU]

Problem is kids don't want to start something on their own. They want the shinny toy which is already established. Takes a really special kid to want to do something on his own and not follow what his peers and others tell him he should do. A lot of kids just want to be another cog in the machine. It takes a lot more work to build the machine yourself.

yes and no.... if we just took 100MM and invested it in a training/practice facility and locker rooms for football only, recruiting would be much easier. I think those are the shiny things that recruits like to see and the only thing that makes RU look small time when these same big10 recruits go see other schools. Its not the stadium, or the fans or the atmosphere that we lack. Its the day to day basic( well not really basic, but standard for the cream of the crop) football facilities where we fall behind.

 

[lilphilw]

Problem is kids don't want to start something on their own. They want the shinny toy which is already established. Takes a really special kid to want to do something on his own and not follow what his peers and others tell him he should do. A lot of kids just want to be another cog in the machine. It takes a lot more work to build the machine yourself.

Honestly I don't blame them. If you look at the 12' class, it was one of if not the best class in history. They probably thought they'd change Rutgers and bring great success but not much has changed. We can thank coaching and past classes lacking talent. It has nothing with "peers" telling them what to do but more logical thinking of I have a X amount of chance to play for championships or big bowls with a big school vs coming to Rutgers with a significantly smaller chance playing on the big stage.

Ash has to sell that he'll be sticking around and bringing in great classes over the next couple of years. Its a huge risk for these kids coming here vs a more established school. Getting whooped like this year doesn't exactly maximize their talent

 

[chase07470]

Problem is kids don't want to start something on their own. They want the shinny toy which is already established. Takes a really special kid to want to do something on his own and not follow what his peers and others tell him he should do. A lot of kids just want to be another cog in the machine. It takes a lot more work to build the machine yourself.

Rutgers biggest issue over the years has been playing in, with the exception of a few short years in the early Big East before PSU and Miami left, minor league football leagues.

When we finally got the invite to the major leagues, we had a HC that no one trusted as a player developer, among other issues.

This is the first real recruiting class with a bona fide developer of talent, as evidenced by the six or seven OSU defensive players who went to the NFL last year, three in the first round. I think we're seeing a tremendous response to that.

These kids follow the college game. They see all the area kids on teams representing other states and realize a team of top Jersey kids could win this league. Shiny thing or not...nothing would be cooler than for all these kids to stay home and light the tristate area up with a Rutgers frenzy while the whole country is wondering how Rutgers is suddenly in the hunt.

Conversely, there's nothing very cool about going to play for some other state's school. It's bandwagon BS.

 

[shu2x79]

Conversely, there's nothing very cool about going to play for some other state's school. It's bandwagon BS.

Its cool to stay home and play for your state school but its also cool to tell your friends/family that you received a football scholarship to play for Ohio State/UM/Alabama.

 

[BlockR]

singleton is way more important to land then Bell. Bell appears to be waiting for his OSU offer..Singleton plays the position of extreme need at RU.btw :what is RU plan going forward now there are ZERO RB recruits in this class?

 

[jerzeyguy]

Its cool to stay home and play for your state school but its also cool to tell your friends/family that you received a football scholarship to play for Ohio State/UM/Alabama.

It's much cooler when your family and friends that you grew up with - can come see you play multiple times a year and celebrate with you. If Rutgers starts competing- it's a much bigger deal to the people you know. It's out of sight out of mind. Once you leave no pays you any mind anymore- unless you are a Heisman candidate

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

singleton is way more important to land then Bell. Bell appears to be waiting for his OSU offer..Singleton plays the position of extreme need at RU.btw :what is RU plan going forward now there are ZERO RB recruits in this class?

Look harder, they have already offered a few HBs.

 

[FELONIOUSMONK]

If Bell strays he was ours to lose. Singleton probably never looking at real estate in New Brunswick or Piscataway.

 

[cicero grimes]

We probably have a better shot with Bell.

 

[RU31trap]

Most elite athletes from urban areas only want one thing and that is to play on Sundays. They could care less about your APR rankings. They could care less if the Head Coach was banging an intern and crashed his motorcycle. They want a program that's going to play stiff opposition (check). They want a program with TV exposure (check). They want a winning program (Not Yet).

(NFL Draft-->CONTRACT-->$$$$)

 

[AreYouNUTS]

What are the chances the positoids here start criticizing Ash if he lands another 30-50 ranked class?

0%

See it works both ways, almost like everyone should just shut up until next year about coaching and not get too excited/depressed either way

30-50? There is a HUGE difference between a 35th ranked type class, which most of us were hoping for/expecting this year, and a 50th ranked class. What an absurd post. You do realize that, thanks to Elmer, we have serious depth issues all over the roster, right? Those needs must be filled, as well, with kids who "fit" the systems we're playing.

 

[jmc11201]

If you look at the 12' class, it was one of if not the best class in history. They probably thought they'd change Rutgers and bring great success but not much has changed. We can thank coaching and past classes lacking talent. It has nothing with "peers" telling them what to do but more logical thinking of I have a X amount of chance to play for championships or big bowls with a big school vs coming to Rutgers with a significantly smaller chance playing on the big stage.

Ash has to sell that he'll be sticking around and bringing in great classes over the next couple of years. Its a huge risk for these kids coming here vs a more established school. Getting whooped like this year doesn't exactly maximize their talent

This post is spot-on.

We can't sell on the field success like Ohio State and Michigan and Penn State. Those places have done it on the field and it is easy as a recruit to envision playing in the biggest games.

At a minimum, we have to be able to demonstrate to a kid that we will maximize their talent and put them in a position to succeed. That is the minimum every school should sell. Then we can sell playing with guys you grew up around, playing in front of family and friends, developing life skills, internship opportunities in the NYC/NJ area, an opportunity to go to the NFL, and we have to appeal to the vanity in a kid that wants to be a real difference maker. The odds are better going to Ohio State that you will play for a national championship and win more games...but we can sell the idea of being a ground breaker and elevating this program. It won't be for everyone, but coming here brings the risks of failing, but that makes the opportunity for success more satisfying.

 

[Yeah Baby]

News flash....Nuts is still bitching about what's his name. Yawnnnnnn

 

[AreYouNUTS]

News flash....Nuts is still bitching about what's his name. Yawnnnnnn

And "yeah baby" is still following me around like a creeper. Yawnnnnnn. Too bad, anyway, until we turn the roster over, and talent/speed/athleticism issues are no longer dominating it, we'll all be talking about Flood. Just like people STILL talk about Anderson, Graber, Shea, and Schiano. Get over it buddy.

BTW - "what's his name"? It's okay to say "Flood," Hillary.

 

[CranfordKnight]

The worst part of the Flood era (error) was it ruined the momentum we were building towards establishing a program everyone in NJ could be proud of. I remember how my friends and neighbors used to ask me how to get tickets to the big games not too long ago. Now I can't give them tickets. My son, who is 15, still roots for and wears his Rutgers gear because of his old man. But his friends have lost interest in supporting a perennially bad team. I think of that when I see these big recruits going elsewhere. We had a chance to cultivate a generation of kids who wanted to stay home and play for us, and we blew it.

 

[DanceAppreciationTA]

Out of all the kids I've heard talk recruiting over the years, Singleton has the best grasp of what the decision should be about and that's finding a coach and program who will make him the best player he can be. He knows Ash will do that and he knows he'll get right on the field. Would not be surprised at all to see him come to Rutgers.

Bell should follow his lead. Two impact players who join a great group already onboard. Change would come real fast if we got these two guys.

I don't think it's Drew but rather his support system who seems to be level headed and looking at all the factors

But just like everyone said, the fact that Bell and Singleton are considering us after that atrocious season is amazing...albeit if we wanna compete in the B1G, we have to win 1 of these 2 in the beginning

 

[RU MAN]

Problem is kids don't want to start something on their own. They want the shinny toy which is already established. Takes a really special kid to want to do something on his own and not follow what his peers and others tell him he should do. A lot of kids just want to be another cog in the machine. It takes a lot more work to build the machine yourself.

You mean a player like Brian Leonard?

 

[madchuck]

A problem I've seen is we do a poor job of developing top prospects. I'm not sure if Savon Huggins was terrible or if we just didn't develop him. Would he have been better if he went to Michigan? Miles Schuler same thing. I remember we got a linebacker Manny Abreu who basically did nothing here. The blue chip players I can think of who came here and lived up to their potential were Anthony Davis and Kenny Britt. Everyone else was a three star recruit who outplayed their ranking.

 

[jmc11201]

A problem I've seen is we do a poor job of developing top prospects. I'm not sure if Savon Huggins was terrible or if we just didn't develop him. Would he have been better if he went to Michigan? Miles Schuler same thing. I remember we got a linebacker Manny Abreu who basically did nothing here. The blue chip players I can think of who came here and lived up to their potential were Anthony Davis and Kenny Britt. Everyone else was a three star recruit who outplayed their ranking.

Probably not a fair critique.

Ohio State has 80 of those guys on their roster and so even if only 50% of them end up living up to their recruiting rankings, they still have 40 guys which is enough to create a two-deep of talented players.

If we have 10 highly rated guys on our roster and half work out, we are doing just as well, but we don't have guys behind them to fill in for those who don't pan out.

Building depth, developing players, not having half of your recruiting class transfer out within two years, all helps close the gap with the better teams. We have lost way too many guys early in their time here who would be sophomores, juniors, and seniors and who would have significantly helped with the depth issues we had this year.

 

[jerzeyguy]

The worst part of the Flood era (error) was it ruined the momentum we were building towards establishing a program everyone in NJ could be proud of. I remember how my friends and neighbors used to ask me how to get tickets to the big games not too long ago. Now I can't give them tickets. My son, who is 15, still roots for and wears his Rutgers gear because of his old man. But his friends have lost interest in supporting a perennially bad team. I think of that when I see these big recruits going elsewhere. We had a chance to cultivate a generation of kids who wanted to stay home and play for us, and we blew it.

It's heart sinking. We were right there. Down here in South Jersey - their were block R's all over the highways. Top Recruits wanted in. We thru it away to save sum money.

 

[fg7321]

It's heart sinking. We were right there. Down here in South Jersey - their were block R's all over the highways. Top Recruits wanted in. We thru it away to save sum money.

We did not save any money . We are now paying dearly for that "savings".

 

[koleszar]

We did not save any money . We are now paying dearly for that "savings".

That's the fact that a "supposedly" bunch of smart people can't understand. Pay now for a good coach and keep paying fanny's in their seats or pay less for a Flood and lose more in the long term as those fanny's won't be in their seats. For a bunch of supposedly smart people, they really couldn't be more incompetent.

 

[RUSK97]

Can we quit puffing our chests about this 'til AFTER NLI signing day? Until then it's really stupid to brag about Ash's ability or inability to recruit.

 

[Blitz Pakage]

A problem I've seen is we do a poor job of developing top prospects. I'm not sure if Savon Huggins was terrible or if we just didn't develop him. Would he have been better if he went to Michigan? Miles Schuler same thing. I remember we got a linebacker Manny Abreu who basically did nothing here. The blue chip players I can think of who came here and lived up to their potential were Anthony Davis and Kenny Britt. Everyone else was a three star recruit who outplayed their ranking.

I agree that some you have mentioned did not pan out. I don't care about the past (just can't live there)! That's a development of the old regime's, It's over (never look back). The real question should be, can Ash and company develop our new recruits? I am one of the believers that he can. We are on a new path here that can't even be compared to the past. We landed a home in the BIG and there is no turning back! RU will Succeed! Actually, they already have!

 

[RU#1fan]

That's the fact that a "supposedly" bunch of smart people can't understand. Pay now for a good coach and keep paying fanny's in their seats or pay less for a Flood and lose more in the long term as those fanny's won't be in their seats. For a bunch of supposedly smart people, they really couldn't be more incompetent.

This. Nothing is more proof in this then the reality of losing 8k season ticket holders over 3 years. ( and single game purchases dropping ).
RU went cheap with Flood and we are in a mess now.

 

[Block R]

It's heart sinking. We were right there. Down here in South Jersey - their were block R's all over the highways. Top Recruits wanted in. We thru it away to save sum money.

Agree but Ash's first full-recruiting-cycle class features a handful of top South Jersey recruits so hopefully they will help lead us out of this hole.

 

[rutgersdave]

A problem I've seen is we do a poor job of developing top prospects. I'm not sure if Savon Huggins was terrible or if we just didn't develop him. Would he have been better if he went to Michigan? Miles Schuler same thing. I remember we got a linebacker Manny Abreu who basically did nothing here. The blue chip players I can think of who came here and lived up to their potential were Anthony Davis and Kenny Britt. Everyone else was a three star recruit who outplayed their ranking.

We develop player better than most. I looked at the New Jersey recruits that went to Norte Dame and there is only 1 NJ recruit that made it to the NFL since 2006, Theo Riddick. Many NJ recruits don't succeed at out of state schools.

 

[RUChris]

I don't think we can argue that the 2012 class had RU "right there" and call the Flood hiring an error at the same time. He was hired to hold that class together and stay the course. if they hired someone else bringing in a new system, that class would not look like it did. however, I have no issues criticizing them for holding onto him after 2013.

I feel like we fail to remember how screwed we were when Schiano bolted a week before signing day. Give him credit for building the program up and helping to get RU to the B1G, but he also helped to blow up most of that progress by leaving the way he did.

 

[musclesmarinara]

They have a chance to start for 3 or 4 years instead of sitting on the bench until they're juniors.