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Well, the NWS went partway to what I thought they might, issuing advisories for the rest of SNJ and watches for all of NYC, but surprisingly, no advisories for Mercer/Middlesex or NE NJ (Union up to Bergen), even though the maps show 2-4" of snow.

And since these were issued, the 6Z NAM (both the 3 km and 12 km NAMs) came out showing 12-20" of snow from 95 eastward and 6-12" within 20-30 miles west of 95 and the hi-res HRDPS (kind of like the 3 km NAM, a high res model0 shows 6-12" from 95 east and 3-6" west of 95, but the 6Z GFS and RGEM only show maybe 2-4" for I-95 and a bit more for the coast. Very hard to make forecasts with model runs like that. Maybe the NAM is just a hiccup or maybe it's on to something. I have no clue. Anyway, here's the map of watches/advisories warnings and snowfall maps are below that. Gotta work today, so not many posts expected unless the 12Z runs look like the NAM.

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Really good discussion, including the 6Z NAM, this morning from the NWS in NYC. How does a met even forecast with such divergent info, other than maybe saying, ok, let's stick with continuity and the current forecast and wait to see if there is any move towards the hi-res models at 12Z or not or if they move back towards the globals. Tough job, as we know...

National Weather Service New York NY
637 AM EST Wed Jan 3 2018
.SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH THURSDAY NIGHT/...
** Heavy snow with strong winds expected for Suffolk County
and much of Southern CT Wed Night through Thu - Blizzard Conditions
Possible **

** Light to Moderate snow accumulations and strong winds expected
Wed Night through Thu for remainder of the region - Moderate to
Heavy snow accumulation possible **

Polar trough will continue to dig into the SE US, aided by one
strong shortwave/jet streak diving through the Gulf Coast this
morning, and by a second separate vigorous shortwave/jet streak
diving through the lower Mississippi River Valley this morning.
As mentioned over the last few days, there are still subtle
model differences in the timing/location of phasing of the
above shortwave energies as they round the base of the digging
trough this evening/tonight, as well as a final interaction with
a third shortwave/jet streak (diving through the Upper
Mississippi River Valley this morning) off the SE US coast late
tonight into Thursday morning. This interaction will affect the
track and timing of explosively deepening low pressure. The
other factor appears to be models having difficulty with
convection development and vorticity feedback off the US east
coast as this intense mid/upper level energy interacts with a
sub-tropical moisture plume, which also could play a
significant factor in low pressure track.

Operational models have already shifted about 50 miles closer
to LI with track of low pressure by late Thursday than 24 hrs
ago, with consensus track of a 955 to 960 mb low pressure
system tracking over or just se of the 40/70 lat/lon benchmark.
The exact phasing evolution will determine any additional
forecast track adjustment, with GEFS/ECMWF/SREF still showing at
least 150 miles of spread in members within 24-36 hrs. This
range of potential shift would have significant implication on
westward expanse of frontogenetically forced heavy snow banding,
and strong to damaging wind fields with this intense low. In
fact 06z NAM, has taken a significant shift westward from 00z
with its frontogenetic forcing, showing potential for 1 ft+ snow
across the entire area. For this reason, NHC will be doing a
reconnaissance flight and several dropsondes this
afternoon/evening off the Fl/SE US coast to better capture this
phasing and convection latent heat release in the models.

For now, based on above and consensus 00z operational/ensemble
track and uncertainty, expectation for snow to develop from S/SE
to N/NW tonight as polar and southern stream jet energy phase.
This will place the region under deep lift of right rear of 150
kt jet streak, with subtropical moisture being fed by cold
conveyor into the region. Then as phasing shortwave energy and
rapidly deepening low pressure move up the coast tonight, LI
and SE/SC CT are expected to fall under strong low- mid level
forcing late tonight into Thu afternoon. Heavy snow banding is
typically under and just to the NW of that. Also potential for
enhanced updraft/convection through CSI as indicated by negative
epv above the frontogenetic forcing. SPC SREF/SPC HREF
corroborate this through indicating a moderate to high potential
for 1 per hour snowfall rates during this time, and possibly 2
inch per hour. Once again though, this banding could
expand/shift westward by 50 or more miles, which is in the realm
of QPF spread seen in GEFS and SREF, which have a reasonable
range of 1/10 to 1 inch across NYC!

So overall, the probability for a light to moderate accumulating
snowfall event for the entire area is high late tonight into Thu
eve, with a heavy snowfall expected for much of LI and CT. Potential
still exists for the entire region to see a moderate to heavy snow
event.

A good middle of the road compromise for qpf with the
track/banding uncertainty is staying close to GEFS/SREF/ECMWF
ensemble means. This was blended in with WPC for consistency.
This results in 1/2 to 1 inch qpf across LI/SE CT, 1/4th to 1/2
inch across NYC/NJ metro and SW CT, and up to 1/4 inch to the
NW. Snow ratios are a bit tricky with strong omega in the
saturated snow growth and eventually in the warmer riming
saturated region, especially for eastern and coastal areas. So
a blend of snow ratio algorithms and WPC was used that appear to
capture this. This points towards a likelihood of 6 to 12 inch
snowfall for E LI/SE CT, 4 to 7 inches westward to the Hudson
River, and 1 to 4 inches to the NW. As mentioned, this remains a
fluid situation based on model spread, with potential for these
numbers to go down, but still seems moreso upwards based on
model trends and mode of SREF/GEFS/ECMWF ensemble members
compared to operational runs. This higher trend is reflected in
latest WFO/WPC snow probs, with high probs of greater than 6
inches of snow across E LI/SE CT and low to moderate probs to
Hudson River. A significant jump in the reasonable worse case
has also been noted, with 1 in 10 chance of seeing more than
12-16 inches of snow across much of LI/CT, 8 to 12 inches of
snow across NYC/NJ metro to Hudson River, and 4 to 8 inches N &
W still in play. In fact, the 06z NAM has come in with 1 1/2 to
2 1/2 inches of liquid QPF for much of the region, which is
within SREF ensemble spread.

The other hazard with this storm continues to be strong winds,
with a blend between GFS/NAM profiles pointing to likelihood for
30 to 40 mph gusts along the coast Thu aft/eve, and 45-50 mph
gusts for eastern coastal areas. This will lead to blowing and
drifting snow, possibly near whiteout conditions in the warned
areas, as well as some downed tree limbs and power lines.

Based on above, have upgraded to winter storm warning for Suffolk
and SE CT with 6 to 10 inches of snow expected and potential
for 1 ft or more. No blizzard warnings at this time, as
despite likely high winds, heavy snowfall and low vbsy, but low
confidence that sub 1 ft snowfall will have signifcant enough
impacts. If expected snowfall amounts increase today, and
therefore high end imapcts, a blizzard warning will be hoisted.
A Winter storm watch issued for NYC metro, Nassau and SW CT with
3 to 7 inches expected and potential for widespread in excess
of 6 inches. To the N&W of this region an advisory is likely,
but not enough confidence in 6+" for watch. Have held off on
headlines after collab with surrounding offices in this region
due to 3rd period timing and uncertainty. Again, if 6z NAM is
pre-cursor, we may see the warning upgraded another tier
westward or possibly more.
 
Outside of when the storm actually hits, when would you expect to start seeing some model consensus? Or is it possible they'll stay divergent until the event starts to happen?
 
Philly local news doesn't think much of this storm. Normally they would all lead with this. Instead the focus is on the other weather related issue. Severe cold is causing havoc on water mains. So many broken lines including one on Route 70 in Cherry Hill.
Delaware River is completely frozen over north of the tidal line.
 
Really good discussion, including the 6Z NAM, this morning from the NWS in NYC. How does a met even forecast with such divergent info, other than maybe saying, ok, let's stick with continuity and the current forecast and wait to see if there is any move towards the hi-res models at 12Z or not or if they move back towards the globals. Tough job, as we know...

National Weather Service New York NY
637 AM EST Wed Jan 3 2018
.SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH THURSDAY NIGHT/...
** Heavy snow with strong winds expected for Suffolk County
and much of Southern CT Wed Night through Thu - Blizzard Conditions
Possible **

** Light to Moderate snow accumulations and strong winds expected
Wed Night through Thu for remainder of the region - Moderate to
Heavy snow accumulation possible **

Polar trough will continue to dig into the SE US, aided by one
strong shortwave/jet streak diving through the Gulf Coast this
morning, and by a second separate vigorous shortwave/jet streak
diving through the lower Mississippi River Valley this morning.
As mentioned over the last few days, there are still subtle
model differences in the timing/location of phasing of the
above shortwave energies as they round the base of the digging
trough this evening/tonight, as well as a final interaction with
a third shortwave/jet streak (diving through the Upper
Mississippi River Valley this morning) off the SE US coast late
tonight into Thursday morning. This interaction will affect the
track and timing of explosively deepening low pressure. The
other factor appears to be models having difficulty with
convection development and vorticity feedback off the US east
coast as this intense mid/upper level energy interacts with a
sub-tropical moisture plume, which also could play a
significant factor in low pressure track.

Operational models have already shifted about 50 miles closer
to LI with track of low pressure by late Thursday than 24 hrs
ago, with consensus track of a 955 to 960 mb low pressure
system tracking over or just se of the 40/70 lat/lon benchmark.
The exact phasing evolution will determine any additional
forecast track adjustment, with GEFS/ECMWF/SREF still showing at
least 150 miles of spread in members within 24-36 hrs. This
range of potential shift would have significant implication on
westward expanse of frontogenetically forced heavy snow banding,
and strong to damaging wind fields with this intense low. In
fact 06z NAM, has taken a significant shift westward from 00z
with its frontogenetic forcing, showing potential for 1 ft+ snow
across the entire area. For this reason, NHC will be doing a
reconnaissance flight and several dropsondes this
afternoon/evening off the Fl/SE US coast to better capture this
phasing and convection latent heat release in the models.

For now, based on above and consensus 00z operational/ensemble
track and uncertainty, expectation for snow to develop from S/SE
to N/NW tonight as polar and southern stream jet energy phase.
This will place the region under deep lift of right rear of 150
kt jet streak, with subtropical moisture being fed by cold
conveyor into the region. Then as phasing shortwave energy and
rapidly deepening low pressure move up the coast tonight, LI
and SE/SC CT are expected to fall under strong low- mid level
forcing late tonight into Thu afternoon. Heavy snow banding is
typically under and just to the NW of that. Also potential for
enhanced updraft/convection through CSI as indicated by negative
epv above the frontogenetic forcing. SPC SREF/SPC HREF
corroborate this through indicating a moderate to high potential
for 1 per hour snowfall rates during this time, and possibly 2
inch per hour. Once again though, this banding could
expand/shift westward by 50 or more miles, which is in the realm
of QPF spread seen in GEFS and SREF, which have a reasonable
range of 1/10 to 1 inch across NYC!

So overall, the probability for a light to moderate accumulating
snowfall event for the entire area is high late tonight into Thu
eve, with a heavy snowfall expected for much of LI and CT. Potential
still exists for the entire region to see a moderate to heavy snow
event.

A good middle of the road compromise for qpf with the
track/banding uncertainty is staying close to GEFS/SREF/ECMWF
ensemble means. This was blended in with WPC for consistency.
This results in 1/2 to 1 inch qpf across LI/SE CT, 1/4th to 1/2
inch across NYC/NJ metro and SW CT, and up to 1/4 inch to the
NW. Snow ratios are a bit tricky with strong omega in the
saturated snow growth and eventually in the warmer riming
saturated region, especially for eastern and coastal areas. So
a blend of snow ratio algorithms and WPC was used that appear to
capture this. This points towards a likelihood of 6 to 12 inch
snowfall for E LI/SE CT, 4 to 7 inches westward to the Hudson
River, and 1 to 4 inches to the NW. As mentioned, this remains a
fluid situation based on model spread, with potential for these
numbers to go down, but still seems moreso upwards based on
model trends and mode of SREF/GEFS/ECMWF ensemble members
compared to operational runs. This higher trend is reflected in
latest WFO/WPC snow probs, with high probs of greater than 6
inches of snow across E LI/SE CT and low to moderate probs to
Hudson River. A significant jump in the reasonable worse case
has also been noted, with 1 in 10 chance of seeing more than
12-16 inches of snow across much of LI/CT, 8 to 12 inches of
snow across NYC/NJ metro to Hudson River, and 4 to 8 inches N &
W still in play. In fact, the 06z NAM has come in with 1 1/2 to
2 1/2 inches of liquid QPF for much of the region, which is
within SREF ensemble spread.

The other hazard with this storm continues to be strong winds,
with a blend between GFS/NAM profiles pointing to likelihood for
30 to 40 mph gusts along the coast Thu aft/eve, and 45-50 mph
gusts for eastern coastal areas. This will lead to blowing and
drifting snow, possibly near whiteout conditions in the warned
areas, as well as some downed tree limbs and power lines.

Based on above, have upgraded to winter storm warning for Suffolk
and SE CT with 6 to 10 inches of snow expected and potential
for 1 ft or more. No blizzard warnings at this time, as
despite likely high winds, heavy snowfall and low vbsy, but low
confidence that sub 1 ft snowfall will have signifcant enough
impacts. If expected snowfall amounts increase today, and
therefore high end imapcts, a blizzard warning will be hoisted.
A Winter storm watch issued for NYC metro, Nassau and SW CT with
3 to 7 inches expected and potential for widespread in excess
of 6 inches. To the N&W of this region an advisory is likely,
but not enough confidence in 6+" for watch. Have held off on
headlines after collab with surrounding offices in this region
due to 3rd period timing and uncertainty. Again, if 6z NAM is
pre-cursor, we may see the warning upgraded another tier
westward or possibly more.


Does this mean an inch or so for most of NJ?
 
The shore folks have multiple threats with this storm.

Beyond the probability of the highest snow totals (whatever those may turn out to be), the winds will be at gale force or better, which could mean power outages. I haven't checked the tide tables but assuming there's a high tide that occurs in the early morning hours there's a high risk of flooding.
 
Just keep looking at the NWS map. That's all you need to know. Starting after midnite and main show tomorrow morning tapering off by afternoon and shutting down by 7pm Thursday nite. All this mumbo jumbo you don't need to know. Anywho....I'm on my way to the Hillsborough Deli to see what the MILF's think.
 
The shore folks have multiple threats with this storm.

Beyond the probability of the highest snow totals (whatever those may turn out to be), the winds will be at gale force or better, which could mean power outages. I haven't checked the tide tables but assuming there's a high tide that occurs in the early morning hours there's a high risk of flooding.

Yes tomorrow morning's tide which I believe is between around 8-10am depending on location. Last I saw they were calling for moderate flooding in Mon Co. Full moon and all that.
 
The shore folks have multiple threats with this storm.

Beyond the probability of the highest snow totals (whatever those may turn out to be), the winds will be at gale force or better, which could mean power outages. I haven't checked the tide tables but assuming there's a high tide that occurs in the early morning hours there's a high risk of flooding.
There was a full moon last night also, so there could be incidental werewolfism too.
 
Right?

Between bac and #'s, it's like listening to two professors debate particle physics.

Just tell us how many inches we will have!!! Isn't that all that matters to most folks, especially the MILFs at the Hillsborough deli?

These two lawn supervisors went out on a maintenance call ... I said "sprocket", not "socket"!
 
12Z NAM just came out and the 12 km version is a big hit with the 6" line from Philly to NYC and up to 12" towards the NJ coast and on LI (3-6" N/W of 95), while the hi-res 3 km NAM crushes the whole area with 6" min and 8-12" for I-95 from Philly to NYC and up to 18" at the Shore/LI. The discrepancies between the 2 are there, but much smaller than last night. Will be interesting to see if the globals go this way or if the NAM is out to lunch (both are possible).
 
12Z NAM just came out and the 12 km version is a big hit with the 6" line from Philly to NYC and up to 12" towards the NJ coast and on LI (3-6" N/W of 95), while the hi-res 3 km NAM crushes the whole area with 6" min and 8-12" for I-95 from Philly to NYC and up to 18" at the Shore/LI. The discrepancies between the 2 are there, but much smaller than last night. Will be interesting to see if the globals go this way or if the NAM is out to lunch (both are possible).


but the dramatic shifts overall on the NAM with qpf the last 3 runs, run to run is the concern here compared to all the other models. This is a comparison of the 6z and 12z snow maps from the NAM

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It was also stunning last night on both weather boards the Euro was only mentioned a small handful of time, Its line with 1-4 inch storm for most of NJ and NY. I think Mt Holly for the moment is siding with the GFS/Euro/UKie and will see if these models come around in the morning run or stay consistent. I guess the forecasts are like 2-4 in NJ, 4-6 to the coast and perhaps they could get upgraded to 3-6/6-10 to err on the safe side later but we shall see
 
DanZarrow tossed the NAM this morning..this before the one that just came in. He is conservative with his totals but says there is wiggle room to overperform

http://nj1015.com/winter-storm-warning-6-inches-of-snow-for-part-of-nj-thursday/

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Totals
Coastal storm = the biggest snow totals will occur along the coast. It also means there will be a very tight gradient between “no snow” and “lots of snow”.

I’ve settled on a forecast of 5 or 6 inches of snow accumulation for coastal Monmouth, most of Ocean, southeastern Burlington, most of Atlantic, and most of Cape May counties. Between that swath and the NJ Turnpike corridor, 3+ inches is a good bet. To the north and west, just an inch or two. (See the map above for a visual depiction — it’s purposefully very similar to what I published Tuesday evening.)

Overperformance
The “storm wiggle” disclaimer remains in effect. In other words, snowfall totals are very sensitive to the track of the storm. Even higher snow totals are absolutely still on the table, in case the storm drifts closer to the coast than expected. How high? Depends on just how close the center of the storm (and associated heavier snow bands) will creep to the Jersey coastline. 8, 10, 12 inches? Certainly possible.

The 28 inches that the NAM is pumping out? Highly unlikely.

For the record, I am not as worried about “underperformance” at this time — I’m confident it is going to snow, for at least the eastern two-thirds of New Jersey.



Read More: Winter Storm Warning: 6+ inches of snow for part of NJ Thursday | http://nj1015.com/winter-storm-warning-6-inches-of-snow-for-part-of-nj-thursday/?trackback=tsmclip
 
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Just before he went off the air a few minutes ago he says he is holding to his forecast. He will look at 2 more model runs today.
 
Outside of when the storm actually hits, when would you expect to start seeing some model consensus? Or is it possible they'll stay divergent until the event starts to happen?


some of the models are close...GFS/Euro/Ukie .....the NAM and Canadian seem on the other side so far. The first 3 have important runs, remember the NAM is usually amped with its solutions somewhat. Its 12z run was much more realistic of what could happen than the 6z or even its whiff at 0z.
 
Just before he went off the air a few minutes ago he says he is holding to his forecast. He will look at 2 more model runs today.


the Euro which all the weenies threw rose petals at is so hardly mentioned I wonder if they even run it any more lol. I am sure he is awaiting the 12z suites to roll on
 
Did the weenies get NAM'D overnight or is the NAM picking up on something? What do you guys think?

My concern with this storm is that it seems it is getting slower---and resulting in a later start time. Many schools may decide not to cancel school and then things could get ugly if the higher totals do verify.


if the storm delivers schools will be cancelled no doubt. It will start sometime after midnight and be in earnest from 6AM-12PM before tapering off later depending on which model is right
 
DanZarrow tossed the NAM this morning..this before the one that just came in. He is conservative with his totals but says there is wiggle room to overperform

http://nj1015.com/winter-storm-warning-6-inches-of-snow-for-part-of-nj-thursday/

Jersey-Shore-Snowmaker-20180103.png


Totals
Coastal storm = the biggest snow totals will occur along the coast. It also means there will be a very tight gradient between “no snow” and “lots of snow”.

I’ve settled on a forecast of 5 or 6 inches of snow accumulation for coastal Monmouth, most of Ocean, southeastern Burlington, most of Atlantic, and most of Cape May counties. Between that swath and the NJ Turnpike corridor, 3+ inches is a good bet. To the north and west, just an inch or two. (See the map above for a visual depiction — it’s purposefully very similar to what I published Tuesday evening.)

Overperformance
The “storm wiggle” disclaimer remains in effect. In other words, snowfall totals are very sensitive to the track of the storm. Even higher snow totals are absolutely still on the table, in case the storm drifts closer to the coast than expected. How high? Depends on just how close the center of the storm (and associated heavier snow bands) will creep to the Jersey coastline. 8, 10, 12 inches? Certainly possible.

The 28 inches that the NAM is pumping out? Highly unlikely.

For the record, I am not as worried about “underperformance” at this time — I’m confident it is going to snow, for at least the eastern two-thirds of New Jersey.



Read More: Winter Storm Warning: 6+ inches of snow for part of NJ Thursday | http://nj1015.com/winter-storm-warning-6-inches-of-snow-for-part-of-nj-thursday/?trackback=tsmclip


WIGGLE!
 
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quick glance at 12z GFS shows it ticked west from 6z, as for snow amounts I see 2-4 north jersey, 3-6 central, 4-8 south....that would match up with RGEM. Ill take a stab and say that the current amounts being forecasted by Mt Holly probably bump up to these amounts later this afternoon
 
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