St. Johns had $4 million for NIL
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Rutgers had two elite freshmen who will be playing in the NBA next season.Pitino is a Hall of Fame coach who is able to win at a high level wherever he has coached.St.Johns will be playing in the NCAA Tournament and Rutgers will be in Piscataway.
It's not relevant, because there are 50 other programs who also had 4M in NIL and my question is, will all 50 of the other programs also make the NCAAs or tourney....???
The answer is NO.....
The 2nd reason why its not relevant is that each conference is different and playing Butler, Depaul Seton Hall and Georgetown are not the same as playing USC, Ohio State, Nebraska,Washington or Iowa.....these are the groups of teams at the bottom of each league and the core teams at the bottom of the B1G are clearly better. St Johns playing a more easier schedule, doesn't mean they're the 8th best team in the country, they're probably closer to 28th than 8th.
RU would be in the NCAA tourney team this year, playing in the Big East and St Johns would not be ranked in the Top 10, if they played RUs schedule and in the B1G, they'd probably be somewhere in the middle of the pack where Illinois or Oregon are and not ranked in the Top 25.
This notion that all leagues are the same is completely false and why the faster RU, the B1G and SEC and Big 12 and maybe ACC form their own tournament and league that is equally difficult for everyone, is a more level playing field. The facts that St Johns and Gonzaga are rated high in the NCAA NET ratings is absurd and ultimately blurs the reality of what's real and what's not.
If we had 4 million for NIL are roster would be completely different. Pike would have had money to get the players needed to put along side Ace and Dillion and right now we would be where ST Johns is at a minimum. We don’t lose Cliff or the other kid to BYU and we get more. It would have made this year special. Our Portal transfers got little to no NIL and that definitely shows on the court. When the most passionate fans of the program refuse to help out financially you get what we have this year.
This is just another thread to argue whether we need to somehow win first before anyone contributes or contribute to give us a chance
It’s already been established we’re not going to get this kind of money and the same people will come on here and try to come up with reasons why we can’t compete or complain that we’re not competing but donate 0
It’s the most tired topic on the board
It’s already been established we’re not going to get this kind of money and the same people will come on here and try to come up with reasons why we can’t compete or complain that we’re not competing but donate 0
It’s the most tired topic on the board
Ru had 2 players paid over $3 million and had at least SOMETHING to pay out more..had to be at least 500k so that's at least 3.5 million
Are people just ignoring what was paid to 2 players by some entity
Then if they waste it on 2 playersand yes it wasn't Rutgers paying these 2 let's not kid ourselves...then its horrible mismanagement of a program
Are people just ignoring what was paid to 2 players by some entity
Then if they waste it on 2 playersand yes it wasn't Rutgers paying these 2 let's not kid ourselves...then its horrible mismanagement of a program
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Agree St. John’s would not be in top 10 if they were in the Big 10. I find it hard to believe Rutgers would be a NCAA tourney team if they were in the Big East.
St. John's literally beat us, granted it was an exhibition. SJU would finish above us since this team plays ZERO defense. Rutgers has two lottery picks on the roster and won't make the tourney. Who cares about SOS when you don't win?
This team lost to KENNESAW STATE. I don't want to hear it.
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First St John’s has a whale, not just some fans who “help out”. Also a lot of money wouldn’t help poor talent evaluation. For you to say we’d be where St. John’s is at at a minimum is a little foolish. We haven’t shown a great eye for talent going back a few years (and please don’t say Cam Spencer because even a broken clock is right twice a day)
St. Johns has a billionaire alum named Mike Repole. Those don't grow on trees
It didn’t come from Rutgers NIL fund so in real life we had what 1 million that we raised for hoops? Pathetic
Yep. Would never deny Pitino as a factor. Has more credibility than most as a coach
Except most of our $ came from outside (as you mention) and was earmarked for only 2 players.
St. John’s money is coming from a rich booster and can be used for the entire roster.
Big difference.
Regardless had close to 4M how did it work out?
The NIL was from fanatics and another third party it’s a well known fact Bailey and Harper were not compensated by the Rutgers NIL collective
It doesn't matter..do you not include that 3 million when comparing it to other schools
That's not the point
The point is that $3 million is more than schools like Wisconsin had
Are people just ignoring we had 2 of the highest paid players on the roster
For this specific season yes for evaluating Rutgers as a major conference athletic university year over year no it’s not relevant
You agree with me in 100 other places the school doesn’t operate like a big 10 athletic department so why disagree with me now
hilarious that this thread actually makes the opposing sides point
fanatics is a separate deal. did the mysterious third party give them $millions to play their college ball anywhere or was it targeted for rutgers? if the later, then it is rutgers related nil. if the former, defies logic.
The point is you need more than just 2 players, especially when they’re only 18 years old.
The point is that St. John’s $4 million could be better spent than our $3.5 (or whatever) million.
Everyone loves to say it only takes 1-2 players in basketball and that’s absolutely false.
You need a well constructed roster of at least 6-7 guys that compliment each other.
You need a roster that is built to align with the coaching staffs strengths and philosophy.
We basically had the opposite of this.
Well thus thread is about $$$ spent
So yes horrible mistake taking 2 of these type players
$$$ doesn't buy wins
Look at Villanova with ample NIL
So yes horrible mistake taking 2 of these type players
$$$ doesn't buy wins
Look at Villanova with ample NIL
Rutgers Alumni and fans have nothing to Do with Dillon and Ace being here. They got there money from someone else. Pike had zero money that why we have the players that you bash on a daily basis. If he had money we would have Big Ten caliber players and you would have better write ups after games. It’s irrelevant what Dillon and Ace got because none of it came from this fanbase and the collectives. You can careless if we win or lose. You care about your stupid recaps that serve no purpose other than give you something to do instead of just doing nothing. Hours of your life on meaningless dribble that you make zero money on. You can say that about the Tournament Bracketology as well as you receive nothing. You bash everything that is Rutgers related and want us to stay small time. You think you are the program or a piece of the cog when in reality you’re just an old man hiding behind a screen with not much to do. It’s why it’s 16 hours a day minimum for you. You bash Rutgers and contribute nothing to us getting better. I want to win it’s why I donate my share and I don’t like you bashing and constantly shitting on our teams and school and NIL. No one can get away from you here because your in every thread.
Talent evaluation without money to give that talent will make you go get players that require no money. You have no idea what players Rutgers had conversations with. Once players that can get money heard that we have none what will they do? Not come here is what they will do. We are in the age of basketball that the teams with no money have un even rosters. We got two players for free lost 2 key pieces and got commitments from players with no NIL.
Ummm no.
Why are you not understanding that most of their money was from outside of Rutgers, was earmarked by the entity for them and couldn’t be used on other players.
If they don’t come here then we’re not getting $ from Fanatics, NIKE etc.
That doesn’t mean you don’t take these 2 type of players lol.
That means you then go out and raise $ to build a strong roster to compliment them, and align with our coaching philosophy, which we failed to do.
This failure was on both the coaching staff and boosters.
If we’re comparing money paid to players than Ace/Dylan absolutely matter.
How much is St. John’s paying for their top 2 players?
I would bet they would have loved to spend some of that $4m on Ace and/or Dylan
St. John’s spent $4m (outside and collective) on players 1-12.
Rutgers spent $3.5m(?) on players 1-12.
We just got lucky in that part of that $3.5m(?) was subsidized this year.
Future years? You’re right. But it’s disingenuous to exclude them this year.
We’re not there yet.
Who had close to 4million? By the way the same 2 draft pick guys you attack for not securing more wins or playing bad D were not paid by RU. Who's dumb enough to think the same dollars would have be " given " to RU for anybody else. And by the way many honest folk remember the players who either transferred to RU pre NIL or were recruited by Pike that did very well here. As well as those who were close to coming here. To say Pike is not a good evaluator is BS.
Why can’t they comprehend they had little for everyone else after Ace and Dylan. Money was also allocated to Somerville and some of the recruits as well.
I doubt we spent much on players not named Dillon and Ace if anything. There is no number of what we had to spend outside of those two players. All we have is speculation on two sites that out NIL was very low and especially in basketball. We got transfers from lower levels coming up to this level of basketball. To me that sounds like we had nothing. Who did we beat out for our transfer players? No one of significance and especially not other Big Ten teams.
Ok. All of that sounds accurate.
But it doesn’t change the fact that our roster still had over $2m.
Maybe it was barely over $2m but it’s there.
You can’t say “St. John’s spent $4m and Rutgers spent $500k”.
It’s just flat out wrong.
Unless you want to also exclude every other teams 2 best players.
Agree every big name or highly sought after player picked a different school and that was with us dangling ace and Dylan as teammates
That says to me we were completely non competitive money wise when we had nba exposure to sell players on
I doubt we were even close on a single notable target
His point and the bigger point is when you evaluate what Rutgers TRUE NIL was to be competitive it simply wasn’t a competitive amount of money and he’s citing the fact that whatever that amount was is probably what were truly operating with going forward and that should sound of major major alarms for what the future holds unless something changes
This season is over.. so that 3 million no longer is in our budget
We are pretty much operating with our real collective which most on here believe is 500-1 million which is not b10 caliber or even big east caliber
Vice TV made a deal with St. Johns
St. Johns Director Confirms Rick Pitino’s Status as Red Storm Gets Major NIL Boost From Billion-Dollar Brand
Rick Pitino has transformed St. John's into a Big East powerhouse, with history and a championship within reach.
www.essentiallysports.com
That wasn’t factored In their NIL this season but certainly going forwardVice TV made a deal with St. Johns
St. Johns Director Confirms Rick Pitino’s Status as Red Storm Gets Major NIL Boost From Billion-Dollar Brand
Rick Pitino has transformed St. John's into a Big East powerhouse, with history and a championship within reach.www.essentiallysports.com
It’s well known St. John’s has a billionaire donor which we don’t so tough comparison anyhow
