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Talent playing next year

This NJ.com article lists the players on the bench this year who will be eligible next year. In addition to Tyler, there are a couple other experienced top 100 recruits (Carey and Cryor).


Meet the 'Rojos': 'Hypest bench in America' rebuilds RU http://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/index.ssf/2017/02/rutgers_rojos_hypest_bench_inIf CVS _america_on_mission.html
I really like the in-flux of 3 point shooting and the big gal's shot blocking. It will then be up to the coaching, whether it is CVS or another HC. Go RU!
 
More talented players certainly are needed.I just put on the game against Northwestern and they are losing 60-38 with 2 minutes to go in the game.Shooting bricks describes the offense.Help better be on the way.
 
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Scaife will certainly have a major positive impact next year. But IMHO transfers are by definition a question mark, regardless of the sport. They may or may not make a difference in the short term. They are not how you build a program for the long term.
 
Interesting article in the Star Ledger, but, if these 3 gals are so terrific, why did they leave their current programs to come to a program that hasn't seen NCAA success (i.e., Elite 8) in a long long time? One thing an employment recruiter always asks during a job interview, "why did you leave your current job". I don't think they left their current schools to play for a Hall of Fame'er who is their grandparents' age.
 
Interesting article in the Star Ledger, but, if these 3 gals are so terrific, why did they leave their current programs to come to a program that hasn't seen NCAA success (i.e., Elite 8) in a long long time? One thing an employment recruiter always asks during a job interview, "why did you leave your current job". I don't think they left their current schools to play for a Hall of Fame'er who is their grandparents' age.
Excellent points.

On another note, it is sad how the program has gone down so much besides on the court and the coaching.

The most talked about one is the pitiful drop in attendance at games.

Also:

Not even having a game thread for tonight's game.

The Home News (That is the local paper I get) used to regularly do a pre-game and post-game article by a staff writer.
Now most games don't even get a post game article. (only sometimes and it is usually an AP article due to the opponent).

The fans that realize (without any doubt) that CVS must go now and any contract extension will do nothing but damage the program greatly, will never beable to convince the RU fans that believe things will be better next year, that they are wrong.
I truly love those fans, because all we all want is for RU to succeed.
 
The fans that realize (without any doubt) that CVS must go now and any contract extension will do nothing but damage the program greatly, will never beable to convince the RU fans that believe things will be better next year, that they are wrong.

I think we all believe things will be better next year. How can they not be? But that short-term consideration should not be the primary driver in Hobbs' decision.
 
Interesting article in the Star Ledger, but, if these 3 gals are so terrific, why did they leave their current programs to come to a program that hasn't seen NCAA success (i.e., Elite 8) in a long long time? One thing an employment recruiter always asks during a job interview, "why did you leave your current job". I don't think they left their current schools to play for a Hall of Fame'er who is their grandparents' age.
I don't know why they transferred. But to discount their talent out of hand is ridiculous. Ask Elene Deledonne why she transferred from UConn. No one said these players are or will be Hall of Famers but please let's not make everything into a negative so quickly.
 
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Transfers are a bigger part of women's college basketball than they were in the past. Here are some of the big impact transfers currently playing: Lexi Brown, Leticia Romero, Diamond Deshields, Stephanie Mavunga , Chatrice White, Sierra Calhoun, Linnae Harper. Even UConn is adding transfers - Natalie Butler was eligible this season and next year they have two more who will be available - Batouly Camera and Azura Stevens. Our transfers may make more of a difference than some people think.
 
I think we all believe things will be better next year. How can they not be? But that short-term consideration should not be the primary driver in Hobbs' decision.
Dr, if you have read my posts, you know I was not talking about next year just being better than this year and that I was talking about the big picture.
 
how often have transfers been successful under CVS at RU..chances are they are more Andrea Honeycutt than DellaDonne who of course was rated #1 but for some reason wasnt mentioned
 
how often have transfers been successful under CVS at RU..chances are they are more Andrea Honeycutt than DellaDonne who of course was rated #1 but for some reason wasnt mentioned
Bac - do you know how many transfers we have had under CVS? I'm not sure who they are, except for Alexis Burke and Shalicia Hurns. I think Burke would have been a decent contributor if she hadn't been injured so much and IMO Hurns definitely contributed. Were you counting JUCOs as transfers? Cynthia Hernandez was our only real outside threat her first year here, so i think she added value. Karlita Washington played a lot of minutes for RU and Barber and Rollins are playing a lot this year. None of them were superstars for RU although I would consider Hurns a very valuable player. She was outstanding her freshman year at Purdue. Unfortunately she was such a disciplinary problem. Who else was there?
 
how often have transfers been successful under CVS at RU..chances are they are more Andrea Honeycutt than DellaDonne who of course was rated #1 but for some reason wasnt mentioned
I think it has been JUCO's - not that we have had a lot of them - that in general failed to contribute (although Karlita Washington wasn't bad). A big difference is that transfers get to spend a year with the team, vs. Juco's who play right away. As ScarlettB says, Burke didn't really work out due to injuries, and Hurns did contribute before her disciplinary issues caught up to her. How many others have we had? I remember Honeycutt, she was a non-major contributor - but she did contribute - I never heard she was anything other than advertised.

In general, I would argue that few 1st year players - Juco or freshman - have shone under CVS. I remember one of the assistants one time saying she didn't understand why that was, but it has generally been the truth. In theorey, it ought not to apply to folks who have been around for a year learning the system.
 
Bac - do you know how many transfers we have had under CVS? I'm not sure who they are, except for Alexis Burke and Shalicia Hurns. I think Burke would have been a decent contributor if she hadn't been injured so much and IMO Hurns definitely contributed. Were you counting JUCOs as transfers? Cynthia Hernandez was our only real outside threat her first year here, so i think she added value. Karlita Washington played a lot of minutes for RU and Barber and Rollins are playing a lot this year. None of them were superstars for RU although I would consider Hurns a very valuable player. She was outstanding her freshman year at Purdue. Unfortunately she was such a disciplinary problem. Who else was there?
Hurns came here due to disciplinary issues from Purdue. She had talent for sure and may have been the best transfer behind K Washington. I gave CVS credit for giving her a second chance. She was canned (I believe, but not sure also from school) for tying up her roommate/partner and threatening to kill her w a knife. I hope she got real help and has gotten her life together. Can't remember any other significant transfers.

There was one girl from NJ who transferred from Va (when Va was one of the top programs in the country}. She came in w great fanfare. I was very excited to see her come. But she never really had any impact. I recollect that she was a step slow, but not sure.
 
Hurns came here due to disciplinary issues from Purdue. She had talent for sure and may have been the best transfer behind K Washington. I gave CVS credit for giving her a second chance. She was canned (I believe, but not sure also from school) for tying up her roommate/partner and threatening to kill her w a knife. I hope she got real help and has gotten her life together. Can't remember any other significant transfers.

There was one girl from NJ who transferred from Va (when Va was one of the top programs in the country}. She came in w great fanfare. I was very excited to see her come. But she never really had any impact. I recollect that she was a step slow, but not sure.
If you are referring to Kristen Somogyi, I believe she pre-dated CVS.
 
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TY. I believe you are right about pre-dating CVS. I was talking about any RU transfer. Didn't think CVS being the coach mattered.
Doesn't sound like RUClassof67 was acting like it mattered who was the HC, but only wanted to clarify when Kristen transferred in.
At least that's the way I took it and glad to know who and when because of so many years past since Somogyi transferred in.
 
Somogyi played her senior year under CVS
Talk was about when she transferred , but glad you brought up she played under CVS.
It was so long ago Kristen was at Rutgers, it's good to be reminded about the players who were part of RU WBB that we might have forgot.
 
I don't know why they transferred. But to discount their talent out of hand is ridiculous. Ask Elene Deledonne why she transferred from UConn. No one said these players are or will be Hall of Famers but please let's not make everything into a negative so quickly.
Della Donne did not transfer from UConn. She left basketball, to return to Delaware where she played volleyball and to be close to family because of personal family issues.
 
Della Donne did not transfer from UConn. She left basketball, to return to Delaware where she played volleyball and to be close to family because of personal family issues.

I think that's something of a misstatement. EDD left UConn shortly after the first informal workout with the team (not a formal practice). There were lots of stories about why she left, although in light of some things we learned later, I'm inclined to think it was at least partly about wanting to be closer to her disabled sibling. (One of the stories that came out of the Boneyard was that she got a stern talking-to from one of the veterans during that workout and was unhappy about it; that always seemed unlikely to me given her general demeanor.)

Since she'd signed her letter of intent, she couldn't play basketball that first year at Delaware, so she played volleyball instead. I don't think that she ever really wanted to step away from basketball.
 
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Doesn't sound like RUClassof67 was acting like it mattered who was the HC, but only wanted to clarify when Kristen transferred in.
At least that's the way I took it and glad to know who and when because of so many years past since Somogyi transferred in.
I agree I could have been reading in more than what RU was saying. but why did he/she bring it up in his/her response. TY. I did think about it before posting.
 
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Della Donne did not transfer from UConn. She left basketball, to return to Delaware where she played volleyball and to be close to family because of personal family issues.
She did leave Connecticut, after accepting a scholarship there and taking summer classes there for a short time leaving the Husky WBB program before playing a game to be close to her family especially her old sister, Lizzie who had Cerebral palsy.
The plan was for her to just play volleyball at Delaware when she left UConn.
But she did wind up playing basketball for the Blue Hens
Had a great RS freshman season for them, sophomore season was marred by illness .
Junior season led the nation in scoring
Senior season her Lyme disease returned in the early part of it, but she lead her team to a 27–3 regular season record finishing at 29-4 after 2 Tourney wins before losing.and averaged 26 points a game as a senior.
 
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Doesn't sound like RUClassof67 was acting like it mattered who was the HC, but only wanted to clarify when Kristen transferred in.
At least that's the way I took it and glad to know who and when because of so many years past since Somogyi transferred in.
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She did leave Connecticut, after accepting a scholarship there and taking summer classes there for a short time leaving the Husky WBB program before playing a game to be close to her family especially her old sister, Lizzie who had Cerebral palsy.
The plan was for her to just play volleyball at Delaware when she left UConn.
But she did wind up playing basketball for the Blue Hens
Had a great RS freshman season for them, sophomore season was marred by illness .
Junior season led the nation in scoring
Senior season her Lyme disease returned in the early part of it, but she lead her team to a 27–3 regular season record finishing at 29-4 after 2 Tourney wins before losing.and averaged 26 points a game as a senior.
 
IMO EDD transfer was 90%+ due to her super close relationship her sister. I believe her sister never left her mind until she quickly left UCONN. I remember tearing up when they showed a clip of her (also very big) sister jumping onto her and EDD holding her up during an emotional hug. That is what life is all about. Love!
 
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BTW - for those who question how effective transfers can be, OSU has 3 on their roster. Sierra Calhoun (from Duke), Stephanie Mavunga (NC) and Linnea Harper (Kentucky).

Cooper averaging 10.6 and 6 boards per game
Mavunga with 11.8 and 11.3 before getting hurt earlier this month
Harper 8.2 and 4.9

This is with the #12 team in the country who has one of the most prolific scorers in WBB history.
So to discount transfers out of hand is totally incorrect. If we could get half that production alomg with Tyler, we would take it in a heartbeat and instantly be much better.
 
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BTW - for those who question how effective transfers can be, OSU has 3 on their roster. Sierra Calhoun (from Duke), Stephanie Mavunga (NC) and Linnea Harper (Kentucky).

Cooper averaging 10.6 and 6 boards per game
Mavunga with 11.8 and 11.3 before getting hurt earlier this month
Harper 8.2 and 4.9

This is with the #12 team in the country who has one of the most prolific scorers in WBB history.
So to discount transfers out of hand is totally incorrect. If we could get half that production alomg with Tyler, we would take it in a heartbeat and instantly be much better.


where did those transfers come from and what were their stats at their former schools...where did the RU transfers come from and what were their stats?...also to compare RU to successful programs right now is really not appropriate at this time
 
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where did they transfers come from and what were their stats...also to compare RU to successful programs right now is really not appropriate at this time
It's appropriate if you're looking for the positive things that can tun this program around, but inappropriate to those stressing the negative because it doesn't fit their POV..
Showing transfers can help a team is appropriate when discussing the talent RU WBB will be gaining next season from players who transferred in.
 
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It's appropriate if you're looking for the positive things that can tun this program around, but inappropriate to those stressing the negative because it doesn't fit their POV..
Showing transfers can help a team is appropriate when discussing the talent RU WBB will be gaining next season from players who transferred in.
Madhat1- Thanks for trying but these guys have worn me down. They've taken a perfectly good message board, which could at one time discuss good and bad and turned it into a one way hatchet job by continuously informing everyone know that only their opinions (or in some cases their brother-in-law or the count they took off their tv screen) are the only accurate measure of the status of any program. I'm out.
 
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It's appropriate if you're looking for the positive things that can tun this program around, but inappropriate to those stressing the negative because it doesn't fit their POV..
Showing transfers can help a team is appropriate when discussing the talent RU WBB will be gaining next season from players who transferred in.
Negative..blah blah blah... Bac made a point that put the transfer post in perspective. Period!

Why can't everyone stick to the issues.

Sick and tired of the misuse of the negative word!
 
If we don't change the "pass the ball around the perimeter for 20+ seconds" and the scramble to find a shot, it does not matter what transfers we have on the floor!
 
Madhat1- Thanks for trying but these guys have worn me down. They've taken a perfectly good message board, which could at one time discuss good and bad and turned it into a one way hatchet job by continuously informing everyone know that only their opinions (or in some cases their brother-in-law or the count they took off their tv screen) are the only accurate measure of the status of any program. I'm out.


can you give me the stats and where these players came from . CVS isnt an offensive coach at all so why would anyone compare stats of what schools that actually stress offensive have
 
Negative..blah blah blah... Bac made a point that put the transfer post in perspective. Period!

Why can't everyone stick to the issues.

Sick and tired of the misuse of the negative word!

The only perspective he put it in was one that he allows.
Saying the positive spin he replied to was inappropriate only shown that he didn't want to look at or consider a positive POV and it seems you don't want to hear it either.

blah blah blah and I'll add:
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Sure, it's great to be optimistic about the talent coming in, but that does not excuse EVER being 6-23. That is not a "down" year. That is a disaster of epic proportions and an embarrassment to an athletic program chock full of them in recent years.

I'll never understand when I hear announcers talk about all the talent on the bench as if that is an excuse for the debacle on the court. Sure, Scaife is huge, but the transfers weren't "lost," they're not yet eligible. Big difference. And not an excuse.

That being said, anything less than tournament-worthy next year will not be received well.
 
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Sure, it's great to be optimistic about the talent coming in, but that does not excuse EVER being 6-23. That is not a "down" year. That is a disaster of epic proportions and an embarrassment to an athletic program chock full of them in recent years.

I'll never understand when I hear announcers talk about all the talent on the bench as if that is an excuse for the debacle on the court. Sure, Scaife is huge, but the transfers weren't "lost," they're not yet eligible. Big difference. And not an excuse.

That being said, anything less than tournament-worthy next year will not be received well.
This year deserves no excuses , but the talent on bench can give hope for next year's team.
If Hobbs decides not to bring CVS back, this year would be enough to justify it.
But Hobbs might feel Vivian can still do the job and trust that feeling enough to have her return as HC next season.
Either way you wont hear me whine or celebrate .
I'll just accept Hobbs' decision and look forward to this year's bench be next years tourney team, whoever is the HC.
 
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Next year's players:

Tyler Scaife, G (injured):
2015-16 (17.2 ppg/ 2.9 rpg/ 2.6 apg): Second Team All-Big Ten
Kate Hill, G (injured): Struggled before injury this year, known as 3-pt threat
Kathleen Fitzpatrick, G (transfer, St. Joe's): As a junior, averaged 8.5 points per game, while leading St. Joseph's in three-pointers (57) and free throw percentage (.833).
Ciani Cryor, G (transfer, GT): As a freshman with the Yellow Jackets, averaged 5.7 points, 2.4 assists and 1.7 steals per game
Stasha Carey, F (transfer, Pitt): As sophomore for the Panthers, was the only player in the ACC to rank top-15 in rebounds, blocks and steals per game ... Averaged 9.7 points, 6.8 rebounds and 1.5 blocks per game
Jada Wright, F (HS): 6-2 out of Illinois, #86 ranked player in the country
 
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