The Wolf experiment at the four needs to end ….

[Scarlet Shack]

He is a five.

This is not a pick on wolf post ….but strict baskwrball

When he is at the four on the perimeter …even inside the arc , they slump off him and it really messes up the the rest of the offensice spacing

This is a big part of our slow offensice starts out of the half todsy and many other times this year …when cliff and wolf are on the floor together

Yes mag fixes this , but …we
Have other options untik that

And it’s not like wolf /cliff duo is helping g the boards thsr much …

Wolf goes back to back up center when mag is back …and figure out a solution until that happens ….there are options on this roster to make it work without having wolf at the four

 

[RUSCFORMERLYRULOU]

He is a five.

This is not a pick on wolf post ….but strict baskwrball

When he is at the four on the perimeter …even inside the arc , they slump off him and it really messes up the the rest of the offensice spacing

This is a big part of our slow offensice starts out of the half todsy and many other times this year …when cliff and wolf are on the floor together

Yes mag fixes this , but …we
Have other options untik that

And it’s not like wolf /cliff duo is helping g the boards thsr much …

Wolf goes back to back up center when mag is back …and figure out a solution until that happens ….there are options on this roster to make it work without having wolf at the five

Time to reinsert Austin williams.

 

[richthedentist]

Agreed 200%

 

[RAC93]

Agreed, I don’t understand starting Cliff and Wolf together. They don’t even rebound well together. Cliff is actually the bigger issue as far as his level of play.

 

[bethlehemfan]

There’s lot of options unfortunately none real good

 

[Scangg]

Slow starts on offense

EVERY. SINGLE. GAME.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Agree, but the damning question…..who plays instead.

 

[RUtrumpet92]

Slow starts on offense

EVERY. SINGLE. GAME.

Slow would be an upgrade from what I saw today.

 

[RUJMM78]

Slow starts on offense

EVERY. SINGLE. GAME.

The passes to Cliff aren't resulting in baskets.Rutgers should look at the film and see how Illinois runs such a impressive half court offense.Pikielll even mentioned that after the game in comments with Jerry Recco.

 

[Degaz-RU]

The passes to Cliff aren't resulting in baskets.Rutgers should look at the film and see how Illinois runs such an impressive half court offense.Pikielll even mentioned that after the game in comments with Jerry Recco.

Agreed. Illinois’ weave offense was a thing of beauty, executed to perfection. They always seemed to get a clean look out of it, with either Shannon getting downhill or with terrific ball movement.

 

[Degaz-RU]

He is a five.

This is not a pick on wolf post ….but strict baskwrball

When he is at the four on the perimeter …even inside the arc , they slump off him and it really messes up the the rest of the offensice spacing

This is a big part of our slow offensice starts out of the half todsy and many other times this year …when cliff and wolf are on the floor together

Yes mag fixes this , but …we
Have other options untik that

And it’s not like wolf /cliff duo is helping g the boards thsr much …

Wolf goes back to back up center when mag is back …and figure out a solution until that happens ….there are options on this roster to make it work without having wolf at the five

Agree 100%. Not working at all. Think it might be time to take the training wheels off of GG and put him in the starting lineup, with Hyatt playing the 4.

 

[kcg88]

Agree, but the damning question…..who plays instead.

Honestly? Oskar.

 

[JavaDunk18]

we needed to keep the lineup in that we ended the 1st half with at the beginning of the 2nd half

 

[Degaz-RU]

In related news, Baye Ndongo had 21 points and 5 rebounds in Georgia Tech’s win over Duke today. Man did we ever miss out on that kid. He’d be our starting 4 right now.

Sigh

 

[Scangg]

Agreed. Illinois’ weave offense was a thing of beauty, executed to perfection. They always seemed to get a clean look out of it, with either Shannon getting downhill or with terrific ball movement.

The weave creates constant motion. We should try it

In related news, Baye Ndongo had 21 points and 5 rebounds in Georgia Tech’s win over Duke today. Man did we ever miss out on that kid. He’d be our starting 4 right now.

Sigh

I was the hugest Baye bull. Devastated when we lost him. Totally different team with him at the 4

 

[ScottRU93]

In related news, Baye Ndongo had 21 points and 5 rebounds in Georgia Tech’s win over Duke today. Man did we ever miss out on that kid. He’d be our starting 4 right now.

Sigh

He would shoot 2-11 here with 5 pts. Our teams dont know how to shoot or sclre. Just dont get it’s

 

[kcg88]

In related news, Baye Ndongo had 21 points and 5 rebounds in Georgia Tech’s win over Duke today. Man did we ever miss out on that kid. He’d be our starting 4 right now.

Sigh

Yeah he'd look great watching Hyatt blow another layup.

 

[bac2therac]

He is a five.

This is not a pick on wolf post ….but strict baskwrball

When he is at the four on the perimeter …even inside the arc , they slump off him and it really messes up the the rest of the offensice spacing

This is a big part of our slow offensice starts out of the half todsy and many other times this year …when cliff and wolf are on the floor together

Yes mag fixes this , but …we
Have other options untik that

And it’s not like wolf /cliff duo is helping g the boards thsr much …

Wolf goes back to back up center when mag is back …and figure out a solution until that happens ….there are options on this roster to make it work without having wolf at the five

absolutely on the mark

 

[mugrat86]

Honestly? Oskar.

Are you fvcking kidding? He is 6’8 and plays like he is 5’8

 

[RW90]

Considering how much Pike prefers length, short of Mag there isn't much else on the bench.

 

[kcg88]

Are you fvcking kidding? He is 6’8 and plays like he is 5’8

He actually makes cuts off the ball occasionally.

 

[FIJI'83]

Think out of box and start Wolf at center and make Cliff a bench player.

 

[Corycord1]

He is a five.

This is not a pick on wolf post ….but strict baskwrball

When he is at the four on the perimeter …even inside the arc , they slump off him and it really messes up the the rest of the offensice spacing

This is a big part of our slow offensice starts out of the half todsy and many other times this year …when cliff and wolf are on the floor together

Yes mag fixes this , but …we
Have other options untik that

And it’s not like wolf /cliff duo is helping g the boards thsr much …

Wolf goes back to back up center when mag is back …and figure out a solution until that happens ….there are options on this roster to make it work without having wolf at the five

Thank you for saying this. The oldies who are used to basketball from the 60’s attacked me for saying this.

 

[Corycord1]

I can’t believe I’m saying this but Pike should start Wolf and bring Cliff off the bench.
1. Keeps Cliff out of early foul trouble
2. Maybe lights a fire under cliffs ***

 

[Saint Puppy]

I really like Wolf - I like his toughness and think he is a good role player. I also think criticism of him today with regards to rebounding is fair - we were sorely lacking in 2 areas - offense and rebounding. Somebody needs to sit down with Wolf, watch tape and hold him accountable - rebounding/toughness is his account!

 

[fatsam98]

I can’t believe I’m saying this but Pike should start Wolf and bring Cliff off the bench.
1. Keeps Cliff out of early foul trouble
2. Maybe lights a fire under cliffs ***

This crossed my mind driving home too. Glad I'm not the only one

 

[Saint Puppy]

This crossed my mind driving home too. Glad I'm not the only one

Man that's drastic - but I get where you're coming from. My first thought is if you do that do you lose Cliff mentally? Guy has pretty much started since the day he got here - would that be too much of a Mind F*** for him?

 

[Corycord1]

Man that's drastic - but I get where you're coming from. My first thought is if you do that do you lose Cliff mentally? Guy has pretty much started since the day he got here - would that be too much of a Mind F*** for him?

I see what your saying, but he’s basically giving us nothing as it is so what’s the difference?

 

[Saint Puppy]

I see what your saying, but he’s basically giving us nothing as it is so what’s the difference?

Cliff is definitely a liability on offense, but defensively he is by far and away our most imposing player.

 

[MCKnight2004]

Wolf doesn’t rebound like you think, he looks like a rebounder, but look at the stats…there’s a skill and effort in rebounding. he lacks both right now

 

[Corycord1]

Agree

Cliff is definitely a liability on offense, but defensively he is by far and away our most imposing player.

 

[cm_13]

The passes to Cliff aren't resulting in baskets.Rutgers should look at the film and see how Illinois runs such a impressive half court offense.Pikielll even mentioned that after the game in comments with Jerry Recco.

The problem is once you work the ball to Cliff in the post, the possession is basically over. He doesn’t kick it back out to the perimeter and try to repost, he’s turning and putting up a shot regardless of if he’s in a position he can score from or not. Illinois didn’t even have to double him, they just kept making him catch the entry pass in a bad position.

 

[Saint Puppy]

The problem is once you work the ball to Cliff in the post, the possession is basically over. He doesn’t kick it back out to the perimeter and try to repost, he’s turning and putting up a shot regardless of if he’s in a position he can score from or not. Illinois didn’t even have to double him, they just kept making him catch the entry pass in a bad position.

Exactly! As long as Cliff is not close enough to dunk on you - you have to like the percentages if he has to shoot. Started another thread asking who is teaching the forwards/centers specifically because yes, Cliff should be passing a LOT more than he does.

 

[Scangg]

The problem is once you work the ball to Cliff in the post, the possession is basically over. He doesn’t kick it back out to the perimeter and try to repost, he’s turning and putting up a shot regardless of if he’s in a position he can score from or not. Illinois didn’t even have to double him, they just kept making him catch the entry pass in a bad position.

Not true. He has passed when doubled. He needs to be able to score when he gets good post position and isn't doubled but hasn't

 

[RUBlackout]

Simpson
Noah
Gavin
Hyatt
Cliff

That should be our starting 5…GG big liability on defense but we need MFing offense badly and we should stop trying to get CO the ball in the post. High PnR and even do it with GG a few times

We need to attack the rim and kick out if not there

Woolf/CO together is not ideal and personally o think Woolf a better post player

 

[Saint Puppy]

Not true. He has passed when doubled. He needs to be able to score when he gets good post position and isn't doubled but hasn't

Maybe I need to go back and look, but Cliff always seems to me to be a black hole when he gets the ball. I always seem to be getting frustrated with him because he didn't pass it out after bricking yet another shot.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

Not true. He has passed when doubled. He needs to be able to score when he gets good post position and isn't doubled but hasn't

When he gets the ball in the post he moves away from the basket, massively increasing the difficulty of the shot. When he catches the ball he needs to try to get closer to the basket or pass.

 

[cm_13]

Not true. He has passed when doubled. He needs to be able to score when he gets good post position and isn't doubled but hasn't

He does look to pass out of the double team. The critique I was trying to make is when he doesn’t have good position he is usually forcing up a bad shot instead of realizing he doesn’t have an angle and kicking it back out to reset.

 

[Saint Puppy]

Simpson
Noah
Gavin
Hyatt
Cliff

That should be our starting 5…GG big liability on defense but we need MFing offense badly and we should stop trying to get CO the ball in the post. High PnR and even do it with GG a few times

We need to attack the rim and kick out if not there

Woolf/CO together is not ideal and personally o think Woolf a better post player

Agree with everything you said. Yes Wolf is 100% a better post player than Cliff, but that's not saying much. I don't think Wolf is that great either, but I'll definitely put my money on Wolf vs Cliff. That being said you need Cliff in there for what he can do Defensively/Rebounding.

 

[RutgersChow]

The passes to Cliff aren't resulting in baskets.Rutgers should look at the film and see how Illinois runs such a impressive half court offense.Pikielll even mentioned that after the game in comments with Jerry Recco.

He hasn't run a much of an offense in nine years.