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This has to be Eddie's last year

Patrick, I saw the 1-3-1 zone that they ran. I knew we were in trouble. We can't pass the ball. And then Daniels throws his weak passes that get picked off. Sanders threw a pass right through the big guy. We need more talent. But to be honest teams like OSU and Wisconsin are struggling. Wisconsin lost at home to Milwaukee? Need Freeman back soon. Maybe Eddie should use a 1-3-1 zone. Our players would probably be in the wrong places.

Imagine if Freddie had us playing the 1-3-1 like GW.....He scrapped that real quick and switched emphasis on getting tap outs on missed foul shots.
 
Archie Miller>Lonegran>Hurley>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jordan
 
Rice was light years ahead of where Eddie is.

I don't like our coach throwing his players under the bus after the game by saying they just aren't talented enough.

Yes, it will cost more buyout money to makea change after this season. But what is the long term cost of keeping him for another year of this? No high level talent will sign with a lame duck coach. We could lose more guys to transfer that might stay if a new coach was brought in. Result: more years of bad results on the next few years = lower ticket sales for years = more lost revenue in the long runLet's say 3000 tickets lost at 25 each times 15 home games = more than 1.1 million in ticket sales lost in one season. Add in concessions and parking from those people and you could be around 1.5 million. It could cost us a lot more to keep him if this is the result.
 
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Unlike football, there isn't much cost to keeping him next year. The team is already at bottom and fan support is virtually nil. I think after year 4 and another 25 loss season we'll see action. Hopefully by then, shovels will be in the ground for the practice facility.
 
As I said on the RT, Hobbs is a BB guy first and foremost and thus EJ's tenure is very shaky at best.

However unless EJ does what Cuddyer did with the Mets and bows out gracefully - I see EJ here until the end of the 2016/17 season - with 1 year left on his contract.

EJ's stature at RU and the unwillingness and inability to raise funds for another HC buyout will cause another year for EJ and Staff - to be coaching BB.

LOL ! He's here for one reason -- to build his bank account. The last thing he's going to do is walk away from all that moolah.
 
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Unlike football, there isn't much cost to keeping him next year. The team is already at bottom and fan support is virtually nil. I think after year 4 and another 25 loss season we'll see action. Hopefully by then, shovels will be in the ground for the practice facility.

then by that reasoning why even try to win at all, just try to run the program at a slight loss like it is now and save the money they would spend on a practice facility
 
Unlike football, there isn't much cost to keeping him next year. The team is already at bottom and fan support is virtually nil. I think after year 4 and another 25 loss season we'll see action. Hopefully by then, shovels will be in the ground for the practice facility.
So we're now the 76ers?
 
There is little to no chance he gets let go after this year.

And I posted several months ago when everyone on this board rightly predicted another long season that when the losing starts to commence people will forget what they actually predicted and start to criticize anyway.

It is just a fact that watching the losing is much harder than predicting it, it is human nature.

But the fact is RU isn't very good and has no difference makers. Coach Jordan has to land a few.
 
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There is little to no chance he gets let go after this year.

And I posted several months ago when everyone on this board rightly predicted another long season that when the losing starts to commence people will forget what they actually predicted and start to criticize anyway.

It is just a fact that watching the losing is much harder than predicting it, it is human nature.

But the fact is RU isn't very good and has no difference makers. Coach Jordan has to land a few.

You need a few things to land difference makers

1.) Hope

2.) Vision

3.) Results

4.) Atmosphere

5.) Difference makers on the roster

6.) Cash ;-)
 
Eddie is arguably worse than Littlepage. And he was let go after year 3. Bob Wenzel and Gary Waters look like Red Auerbach compared to what we've had.
 
Archie Miller>Lonegran>Hurley>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jordan

Archie Miller is leaving for just a handful of jobs. Similar to Shaka Smart.

Archie probably doesn't know what or where Rutgers is
 
Do not get up to see much basketball, living in Williamsburg VA. (Here it comes) BUT I turned on the TV and saw that GW was playing RU, so I flip the channel and said WT$$$$$ these guys are truly bad on just plain fundamentals. Poorly coached and no drive. I was at RU in 76, love fast Eddie but some time things just do not work they way you hope they would. Time to turn the page.
 
Some of you guys are crazy if you think some of these names you are kicking about would leave for RU.

And I think you guys are realizing that simply going to the Big 10 does not automatically elevate you above other schools. Many of you were laughing at SJU and SHU because they helped form the new Big East as if they are nothing programs because they don't play in one of the Power 5 football conferences.

Well you are finding out it doesn't work that way.
 
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Some of you guys are crazy if you think some of these names you are kicking about would leave for RU.

And I think you guys are realizing that simply going to the Big 10 does not automatically elevate you above other schools. Many of you were laughing at SJU and SHU because they helped form the new Big East as if they are nothing programs because they don't play in one of the Power 5 football conferences.

Well you are finding out it doesn't work that way.
thanks - we don't really care what you think
 
Changing coaches sounds like the sensible thing to do but how has that worked in the past 25 years?Without improved facilities whoever is the coach has nothing to sell .The players don't make shots and the fundamentals are better performed at the high school level.As long as there is no sense of urgency on the part of the athletic department the mens basketball program will continue to have no relevance and the dwindling fan base might start seeing games at the College Avenue gym.
Its worked out about as well as you would think considering the money we were willing to pay on coaches.

If you wer are willing to spend more then we should change coaches. If we arent, then we should wait until we are. Because new facilities with Mike Rice or Fred Hill level coaches isnt going to matter that much. You will get a boost for a couple of years, then reality will set back in.

its all about coaching. The coach might need the facilities commitment to get him to come here - but its nothing more than an added benefit - like giving the guy a new house or a golf club membership. You build the facilitiy because you need it to get a real coach. who can actually get out of this situation.
 
Plenty of teams with much worse facilities and smaller time schools can run circles around us right now. Eddie can keep blaming facilities but you don't need better facilities to be closer than 34pts within GW. We need a competent coach. EJ makes Kyle Flood look like Nick Saban.
 
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Some of you guys are crazy if you think some of these names you are kicking about would leave for RU.

And I think you guys are realizing that simply going to the Big 10 does not automatically elevate you above other schools. Many of you were laughing at SJU and SHU because they helped form the new Big East as if they are nothing programs because they don't play in one of the Power 5 football conferences.

Well you are finding out it doesn't work that way.


and you are finding out that the Midwest schools are the ones that are going to leave the northeast schools in the basement in your league
 
RU has a decent roster and will be fine folks....once the change is made, things will turn quickly.....not giving up on this roster, it has a lot of pieces.....
 
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Hawk what do you think the chances of a change being made at the end of this year, do you think that possibly they could cut a deal if everyone involved including Eddie feels that its best to move on
 
King Rice has had some personal demons he had to deal with and the fact he went into the stands at a game. The press would have a field day.
 
they aren't having a field day now with it
You are right. However, take King Rice's polo and replace "Monmouth" with "Rutgers", and all hell will break loose.

Also, we'd have the Rice trifecta. Ray, Mike and King. We'd get laughed at for that alone.
 
You are right. However, take King Rice's polo and replace "Monmouth" with "Rutgers", and all hell will break loose.

Also, we'd have the Rice trifecta. Ray, Mike and King. We'd get laughed at for that alone.
Condoleeza
 
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thanks - we don't really care what you think

Of course you don't care....the negative crowd ( "we") only care about being negative and ignore reality.

After any catastrophic event, you hit bottom then you recover and build. Slowly, over time, like 4-6 years.....a time frame that is consistent with how long Danny Hurley knew it would take. ,Hence, his demand for a 7 year deal.

Only "basketball experts" on the Rutgers basketball board expect recruiting to soar after a scandal. It defies common sense and grown men should have more common sense.

No one ever answered why Hurley requested 7 years...want to take a shot at offering an opinion?
 
Yet Eddie took the 5 because what else did he have to do? 6.25 million reasons to take the job. But why take 5 years when you tell media it's long term rebuild? It doesn't make sense when you win 7-8 games in third year of 5 year contract. Is the goal to win 14 in year 5 and get a 5 year extension?

What's the plan?pray for four big ten players in the spring? He's a lame duck next year anyway.

You think Eddie has us on the right track but Hobbs probably has a different opinion on that. Has he publicly endorsed Jordan?

Of course you don't care....the negative crowd ( "we") only care about being negative and ignore reality.

After any catastrophic event, you hit bottom then you recover and build. Slowly, over time, like 4-6 years.....a time frame that is consistent with how long Danny Hurley knew it would take. ,Hence, his demand for a 7 year deal.

Only "basketball experts" on the Rutgers basketball board expect recruiting to soar after a scandal. It defies common sense and grown men should have more common sense.

No one ever answered why Hurley requested 7 years...want to take a shot at offering an opinion?
 
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Yet Eddie took the 5 because what else did he have to do? 6.25 million reasons to take the job. But why take 5 years when you tell media it's long term rebuild? It doesn't make sense when you win 7-8 games in third year of 5 year contract. Is the goal to win 14 in year 5 and get a 5 year extension?

What's the plan?pray for four big ten players in the spring? He's a lame duck next year anyway.

You think Eddie has us on the right track but Hobbs probably has a different opinion on that. Has he publicly endorsed Jordan?

Anyone with half a brain knew Jordan was a stop gap measure after that Idiot Mike Rice.
 
Anyone with half a brain knew Jordan was a stop gap measure after that Idiot Mike Rice.


yep and that's why its time to mutually agree to move on, just like I said at the end of last year...3 years of rehab and time to get a real guy in here...seems like you are starting to agree with me
 
You're the only one defending Jordan so maybe Hannibal Lector visited your house recently

Not defending....using common sense about how toxic the program was and understanding it would get worse before getting better......See Indiana example.

....SO, I'll ask you as well, Why do you think Danny Hurley wanted 7 years to build? Everyone avoids offering up an opinion. Care to ne the first?
 
yep and that's why its time to mutually agree to move on, just like I said at the end of last year...3 years of rehab and time to get a real guy in here...seems like you are starting to agree with me

BAC......I never agree with anyone who's only goal is to be negative. People on the Football boards know it and know your MO. Unless, it comes to the love of your life.....Julie Hermann.

The guy I wanted was Steve Masielo from the Pitino tree. There are probably threads in the history that show it. I will support the coach in place and use a little common sense about the state of the program.
 
Not defending....using common sense about how toxic the program was and understanding it would get worse before getting better......See Indiana example.

....SO, I'll ask you as well, Why do you think Danny Hurley wanted 7 years to build? Everyone avoids offering up an opinion. Care to ne the first?

Because THREE years ago we were toxic. I know Danny would have us further along and earn more time. Sadly that's not the case with Eddie.

Rutgers had no leverage to hire someone on the cheap with short contract and no promise of facilities.

Hurley had every right to hold us over a barrel. I agree it was a shit show but short term over long term. Hurley was a long play. Eddie was PR/cost savings play.

Outside of Hurley who can recruit and teach defense and toughness I don't think another coach would succeed. Don't think Lonergan was interested.

So yes maybe Jordan was only option without AD. But three years and we are no closer than year 1.

Now is time to see what else is out there.
 
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