We should fire Pike after this year, however reality is he’ll get fired in March 2024

[cyrock3]

If we go 3 and 17, seat gets hot.

That's just not acceptable anywhere really at this point in a coaches tenure.


I'll let the season play out even though I don't have high hopes for how it will end up. Recruiting has caught up to us, and honestly I got a lot of flack from folks over Steve Hayn, but it was a big issue. Should have hired MacConnell.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

This is utterly detached from reality.

Its not. Have you seen pikes contract? Have you seen our facilities? Have you seen our location? Have you seen our fan support when were even half good? Its a very attractive job.

 

[fluoxetine]

We could give another coach pikes identical contract and wed have a longgggg list of legitimate suitors who would drop everything to take this job. This is a really attractive job now

No, just no.

 

[kcg88]

Its not. Have you seen pikes contract? Have you seen our facilities? Have you seen our location? Have you seen our fan support when were even half good? Its a very attractive job.

These guys all have the same few agents, and those agents talk to each other. This job is poison if we booted Pike after the same.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

No, just no.

I mean like you do realize that the end of pikes contract has us paying him $3.75 mill/yr right? For persoective tony bennett with a national title under his belt makes $3.8 at UVA lol. Im not sure how many are aware of how good pikes contract is. Mike boynton at OK State makes $2.1 mill a year but he wouldnt come home for $3.75 a year lol ok

 

[cyrock3]

These guys all have the same few agents, and those agents talk to each other. This job is poison if we booted Pike after the same.

Pike's made one tourney in five years. No coach would view a firing as poison. Was the Minnesota job viewed as poison after they fired a coach who made the tourney? No...

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

These guys all have the same few agents, and those agents talk to each other. This job is poison if we booted Pike after the same.

Again, were not gonna fire him after this season, likely probably comes in march 2024 at which time we’ll all say we shouldve just done it in march 2022

 

[GORU2014]

I mean like you do realize that the end of pikes contract has us paying him $3.75 mill/yr right? For persoective tony bennett with a national title under his belt makes $3.8 at UVA lol. Im not sure how many are aware of how good pikes contract is. Mike boynton at OK State makes $2.1 mill a year but he wouldnt come home for $3.75 a year lol ok

So you’re comparing his salary 4 seasons from now to 2 others’ current salaries? Aren’t you the guy who keeps complaining about inflation elsewhere?

 

[Knight Shift]

Yup, bad loss. He beat natty champs baylor last year ;).
Oakland also ranked right by umass and beat a pretty good vermont team as well and lost to bobby huggins by 7. Still a bad loss tho.

Last year was last year. Pike had a good year last year. Bad losses happen. Two in a row raises red flags. Pike and his players have a lot of work to do. I don't follow basketball closely, and it was drill night for my fire department tonight. Was shocked RU lost. Hope they get it together, but they better do it soon. The Jersey Mikes jinx may have something to do with it. 🙄

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

So you’re comparing his salary 4 seasons from now to 2 others’ current salaries? Aren’t you the guy who keeps complaining about inflation elsewhere?

Wouldnt reality indicate if weve agreed to pay our current coach $3.75 mill a year that we would pay our next coach $3.75 mill a year? How often do schools fire a coach and pay the next coach less money? Can you find a single example of this happening?

now @GORU2014 is going unhinged trying to change topics and go CE board here lol

 

[fluoxetine]

I mean like you do realize that the end of pikes contract has us paying him $3.75 mill/yr right? For persoective tony bennett with a national title under his belt makes $3.8 at UVA lol. Im not sure how many are aware of how good pikes contract is. Mike boynton at OK State makes $2.1 mill a year but he wouldnt come home for $3.75 a year lol ok

I'm not saying we couldn't hire a decent coach. I'm saying that to justify firing the guy now you need to be hiring a legend. Throw $8mm at Tony Bennett? (Lol you'll complain about his offense too) Okay. Hire a dude from Oklahoma State who has had similar results to Pike the last few years without the baggage of a historically bad program? Why??

Pike's made one tourney in five years. No coach would view a firing as poison.

Be serious, you cannot really count the first couple years after winning 6 games and being #275 in Kenpom.

 

[GORU2014]

Wouldnt reality indicate if weve agreed to pay our current coach $3.75 mill a year that we would pay our next coach $3.75 mill a year? How often do schools fire a coach and pay the next coach less money? Can you find a single example of this happening?

You don’t see the fundamental logical flaw in comparing a 2025-2026 salary to a 2021-2022 salary? For reference, his salary this year is $2.6 million, a full 30% lower than Bennett (contrary to your post).

 

[kcg88]

Pike's made one tourney in five years. No coach would view a firing as poison. Was the Minnesota job viewed as poison after they fired a coach who made the tourney? No...

Not the right comparison. kyk is basically saying they should've fired Pitino after 2018 when they went 4-14 in the Big Ten, after making the tournament in 2017.

So what happened after they didn't fire him? They made the tournament in 2019.

 

[BlockR]

2019 was arguably our best team since the 70s and we were about a minute from the Sweet 16 last season. So no, he hasn’t been right.

Bad coaching lost the game to Houston,go back and watch it.

Again, im being realistic in saying hes here til march 2024, just saying its inevitable and being that it is wed be best to move on march 2022 but we wont

Nope we wont because the AD will take the cheap route,the same he did with Ash and ran the football program into the ground to save $$.

 

[BROTHERSKINNY]

This is utterly detached from reality.

And that is Kyk in a nutshell. Guy complains about Gleason and complains about pike after every loss. The guys a whiner. I am willing to give both Gleason and pike a long leash to get things going. This is Rutgers, we were the absolute bottom in both hoops and football for decades.
recently we have been having more success under Schiano and pikiell.
it’s fans like kyk who will turn Rutgers into the Tennessee of the north with how fickle they are when teams have a losing streak.

 

[cyrock3]

Be serious, you cannot really count the first couple years after winning 6 games and being #275 in Kenpom.

Why can't you? It's basketball. Turnarounds can and will happen in the space of one class.

 

[GORU2014]

Bad coaching lost the game to Houston,go back and watch it.

Nope we wont because the AD will take the cheap route,the same he did with Ash and ran the football program into the ground to save $$.

Coaching didn’t botch 3 or 4 gimmes at the end of the Houston game

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Not the right comparison. kyk is saying they should've fired Pitino after 2018 when they went 4-14 in the Big Ten, after making the tournament in 2017.

So what happened after they didn't fire him? They made the tournament in 2019.

Lol. So were gonna make the tourney next year now? Nice. We’ll circle back

 

[fluoxetine]

Like how can you seriously complain that our bar is too low and then propose that we fire a guy after two tournament quality teams in order to hire a guy whose teams have been
#59
#83
#53
#33
in kenpom

Talk about, um, "burying the bar".

 

[kcg88]

Lol. So were gonna make the tourney next year now? Nice. We’ll circle back

No. I've been very clear that I don't believe we will. But Pikiell deserves the chance. That's my point.

 

[fluoxetine]

Why can't you? It's basketball. Turnarounds can and will happen in the space of one class.

Yes, teams go from #250 or higher in kenpom to getting at-large bids in the space of two years all the time. Tons of examples, I'm sure. Have any?

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

You don’t see the fundamental logical flaw in comparing a 2025-2026 salary to a 2021-2022 salary? For reference, his salary this year is $2.6 million, a full 30% lower than Bennett (contrary to your post).

Im making the assumption that since weve committed to paying our current coach $3.75/yr that if we made a change the next coach would get $3.75. Its really that simple. This isnt hard

 

[GORU2014]

Im making the assumption that since weve committed to paying our current coach $3.75/yr that if we made a change the next coach would get $3.75. Its really that simple. This isnt hard

Yes, they likely would get that several years from now. You keep brushing off that you directly compared Pikiell’s future salary to 2 other coaches’ current salaries though, and it concerns me that you don’t seem to see the issue with doing that.

 

[winfield102]

This team has looked exactly the same in each of the first five games. That's very alarming. We are unwatchable right now.

If we completely crap the bed this year, Kyle ain't wrong. Can anyone make a case for next year's team being better? Pike has whiffed on too many guys.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Yes, they likely would get that several years from now. You keep brushing off that you directly compared Pikiell’s future salary to 2 other coaches’ current salaries though, and it concerns me that you don’t seem to see the issue with doing that.

Haha you should go back and read my posts pal. I simply implied that since in pikes contract, since it ends with him making $3.75 that I am confident when making a coaching change that our next guy will be immediately making $3.75. I think thats fair. Youre so obsessed with me. Happy to hop on a call to save you time typing back and forth. Will dm you my number now. You dont seem like the talk type tho

 

[cyrock3]

Not the right comparison. kyk is saying they should've fired Pitino after 2018 when they went 4-14 in the Big Ten, after making the tournament in 2017.

So what happened after they didn't fire him? They made the tournament in 2019.

They fired Tubby Smith right after he made the tournament to hire Pitino. While Pitino was not the right move, firing Smith when they did had no impact on the search.

 

[cyrock3]

Yes, teams go from #250 or higher in kenpom to getting at-large bids in the space of two years all the time. Tons of examples, I'm sure. Have any?

I can flip through the lists of mid-major schools and find plenty of examples. As for major conference teams? You aren't going to find many examples for one simple reason.

It's very rare for a major conference basketball team to be that bad. And regardless that doesn't change the premise of bad college basketball teams having turnarounds with one recruiting class.

 

[RUsojo]

Its not secret that im not the biggest pike fan as the head coach of a big ten program. He is a GREAT man but a very subpar basketball coach.

1) he doesnt recruit well enough for what this job requires
2) hes stuck in the 80’s with his coaching philosophy
3) he doesnt run an offense

the reason we should fire him after this season is because he refuses to adjust his mindset. Hes too afraid of hurting feelings of players rather than putting winning first. If you think this season is bad whats gonna happen next year when we lose our one player capable of scoring (ron)? Hes shown a reluctancy to really go hard at the transfer portal. Yes hes plugged a hole here and there but hes also turned down guys like jahvon quinerly and luther muhammad who wanted to come home! Think about that!

so what’ll now happen. This year we go 3-17 in big ten play and everyone is disappointed but says, “but guys he got us to the tourney and we hadnt been in 3 decades, give him some leash”. Thats just the loser mindset of this fan base because we have buried the bar of what we should expect here. Next year we follow it up with another awful season and now the noise is palpable but we punt the decision one more year. 2023-2024 season is the 3rd straight bad year and we have no choice but to make a coaching change and now the 2024 season starts with a new coach rebuilding taking a few years to get us back to the tourney where we should expect to be every year.

we could start the proper rebuild with a new coach next season but we all know it wont happen for both financial reasons and because of how low the bar is here. But this is inevitable, everyone sees whats coming but we’ll put it off and settle for having a bad team for more years than we need to. I’ll be sure to bump this in march 2024.

One name: Mike Boynton

The key thing here is the stubbornness gives no reason to believe change will come.

I know it took the majority of people including Richie time to get here but now that you see it maybe you’ll be more flexible unlike Pikiell.

Luckily for Richie @Richard Schnyderite his 3-1 prediction is still alive LOL

 

[RU Husky]

Why wait so long? Fire him now. Accountability demands it. Zap is right, it is only going to get worse. Go to Jersey Mike and let them help with the buy out. Damage control for their asset. Let B. Knight finish the season. Pike makes Sean Gleeson look like an offensive genius. Recruiting is dead. Just what is he bringing to the table. The Big 10 looks to be weaker top to bottom than in the last few years, but does anybody really believe that Rutgers has a chance for post-season play? I go back to 1961 at RU and I’m hard pressed to think of a worse home loss and a worse series of season opening OOC performances. I’m sure there were , but not from a team praised by his coach as his best ever. Who’s bullshi**ing whom? C’mon Hobbs. Grow a set.

 

[GORU2014]

Haha you should go back and read my posts pal. I simply implied that since in pikes contract, since it ends with him making $3.75 that I am confident when making a coaching change that our next guy will be immediately making $3.75. I think thats fair. Youre so obsessed with me. Happy to hop on a call to save you time typing back and forth. Will dm you my number now. You dont seem like the talk type tho

It’s just such an incredibly flawed comparison for so many reasons. You also ignored that Bennett’s current total compensation is as high as $5.2 million.

I don’t feel the need to have a phone call with you at 10:30 PM over a message board post. Sorry you’re triggered.

 

[winfield102]

Any potential new coach would look at the record and the roster for the following year and say "I get it", not "how could they fire him".

 

[RUsojo]

Any potential new coach would look at the record and the roster for the following year and say "I get it", not "how could they fire him".

When you miss your top targets very often this is what happens. We’re in a bad spot going forward.

 

[bac2therac]

love you Kyk, but this thread is an embarrassment

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

love you Kyk, but this thread is an embarrassment

How? What exactly? As I said in the OP, he aint going no where til march 2024 at the earliest but I think we’ll all look back at that time and say we shouldnt have punted the decision for 2 years when we all saw what was coming

 

[bac2therac]

How? What exactly? As I said in the OP, he aint going no where til march 2024 at the earliest but I think we’ll all look back at that time and say we shouldnt have punted the decision for 2 years when we all saw what was coming

because there is no reality where a head coach that basically got you to the tourney 2 years in a row, is fired for one bad year, not even two bad years

i fully agree with you that his coaching has been embarrassing and recruiting abysmal

 

[fluoxetine]

I can flip through the lists of mid-major schools and find plenty of examples. As for major conference teams? You aren't going to find many examples for one simple reason.

It's very rare for a major conference basketball team to be that bad. And regardless that doesn't change the premise of bad college basketball teams having turnarounds with one recruiting class.

So find one? It has to be a team that was good enough to get an at-large bid, not some conference tournament winner from a shit conference.

One recruiting class is 4 years. If you inherit the #275 team you get at least two years and probably three of a free pass. Anything else is ludicrous.

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

because there is no reality where a head coach that basically got you to the tourney 2 years in a row, is fired for one bad year, not even two bad years

i fully agree with you that his coaching has been embarrassing and recruiting abysmal

Again which is why he wont get fired after this season but my point is simply that in 2024 we look back and just say, we shouldve all seen this coming and just pulled the plug in 2022. Because now it’ll be 2022-2024 without dancing. 2024-2025, 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 seasons likely rebuild which means next time we can likely dance is 2028? Eh who knows maybe earlier with the portal depending on who the new coach is and how aggressive hes willing to be

 

[fluoxetine]

Again which is why he wont get fired after this season but my point is simply that in 2024 we look back and just say, we shouldve all seen this coming and just pulled the plug in 2022. Because now it’ll be 2022-2024 without dancing. 2024-2025, 2025-2026 and 2026-2027 seasons likely rebuild which means next time we can likely dance is 2028? Eh who knows maybe earlier with the portal depending on who the new coach is and how aggressive hes willing to be

But then we would be idiots, because we are clearly enumerating, here in 2021, the reasons why this doesn't make sense. Why would we look back and think "boy I wish we had acted stupidly back in 2022"?

 

[rucoe89]

Skinny
We going 1-19 in conference

You found 1 win? Dang, that is optimistic.

 

[rucoe89]

The big picture lesson - Never, NEVER overhype if you can't back it up. That is how you lose trust and credibility with the fan base. This was Pikiell BIG mistake just prior to the season. He set expectations way beyond reality and now his credibility and trust is on shaky ground.