What’s holding back recruiting ?

[mildone]

What are the best recruiting b-ball schools in the country? How do they recruit so well?

Answer that, do an honest self-appraisal of how RU matches up under that criteria. There's your answer.

 

[Mbash93]

The other issue I see when watching these kids play in their highlights, they all seem to not be able to score easily. Like I remember watching Mag's tape after he committed, and yea he was fine in transition but I was like this kid struggles in the half court.

 

[MCKnight2004]

Losing Shoes Vetrone is a big loss bc of his relationships and connections
TJ HOPEFULLY has connections to bigger AAU circuit than the one he coached with Geo

the biggest tell will off season in the transfer market if he willing to change his approach and actively recruit some of the bigger names by offering immediate playing time. These will likely be players coming up a level, but we’ve seen it work for other schools. Ie Mike Smith at Michigan last year from Columbia

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Losing Shoes Vetrone is a big loss bc of his relationships and connections
TJ HOPEFULLY has connections to bigger AAU circuit than the one he coached with Geo

the biggest tell will off season in the transfer market if he willing to change his approach and actively recruit some of the bigger names by offering immediate playing time. These will likely be players coming up a level, but we’ve seen it work for other schools. Ie Mike Smith at Michigan last year from Columbia

How did that guy help the program?

 

[kcg88]

Montez is one of my examples. Cant's shoot.

I agree. He greatly benefitted from playing alongside Immanuel Quickley in high school.

I think one of my issues with recruiting is who Pikiell is targeting. Taking under the radar guys is fine by me if they're actually under the radar. Mawot Mag played at Prolific Prep with a bunch of highly-rated recruits. Antwone Woolfolk was at Peach Jam and regularly plays against top prep talent in Ohio. Jalen Miller played a very visible school in DC.

This isn't going into New Hampshire for Geo Baker, or noticing Myles Johnson playing in some C-tier prep circuit. These guys have been seen by a ton of coaches and yet their offer lists were still short and underwhelming. Palmquist and Reiber qualify as under the radar, I suppose.

 

[zebnatto]

I've been disappointed in recruiting. Yes, back to back years of Cliff and Jaden. But we are not getting other kids who contribute. (I'll exclude Mag in that group.) One player per year is not reloading. In all our games against lower-level teams, I've seen kids who could contribute at Rutgers--especially shooters.

 

[rucoe89]

Can we got back to "we have an offense." Isn't the point of an offense to put the orange sphere through the circular ring? I don't see we have anyone that can consistently do that from beyond 15 feet of that circular ring, and many times are challenged with that task a foot from it.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

My friend has coached at least 3 high major players in the last 4 years at the HS level.

One we never really stood a chance with - was a top 35 or so recruit.

The other 2 ended up, one in the ACC before transferring and one @ Seton Hall.

The kid going to seton hall actually wanted to go to RU, but he said RU recruited him for 2 weeks and then never called again.

This kid ended up being ranked about 60 spots ahead of Derek Simpson nationally.

To me Pike is not focusing so much on overall talent and is focusing on fitting his "program" or his "culture" or whatever word you want to use.

He needs to start to bring in more talent then projects because he is not in the same class as some of these other coaches that look for certain guys to fit their molds.

Jaquan Harris never expressed interest in RU, that I can tell you for a fact....

 

[kcg88]

Jaquan Harris never expressed interest in RU, that I can tell you for a fact....

TheKnightReport - 2022 guard Jaquan Harris calls Rutgers his dream school

Rutgers and Auburn have reached out the most but Seton Hall and Virginia Tech have been in contact as of late. Rutgers,

rutgers.rivals.com

 

[ImBadRU]

Recruiting great players means getting down and dirty. Figure out how to get them $5,000-$10,000 a month, hire their father, and "rent" the parents a nice house for $15/month.

 

[Knight Ed]

Many make the argument that we cannot recruit after only two NCAA tourney quality seasons. I think the point being missed is that Rutgers isn't only recruiting poorly when compared to the top teams, but compared to mediocre teams as well. Surely everyone expected a recruiting bump after the past two season?

 

[kcg88]

Pikiell has gotten his one big target in almost every recruiting cycle. Mathis, Mulcahy, Cliff, Jones.

That didn't happen in the 2022 class. So that's a problem. Missed on Mark Armstrong, Corey Floyd, Chris Bunch. Not only that but he's missed on secondary targets like Ramel Lloyd, Ben Shtolzberg, Bobi Klintman...

I know the line is going to be "actually, Rutgers backed off those guys!" which may be true but for most of them we'd only have backed off if we knew it was no longer worth our time.

 

[Mbash93]

Jaquan Harris never expressed interest in RU, that I can tell you for a fact....

I know one of his coaches, you are 100% wrong bud

 

[dontestrond]

I think your coach has a sour taste in his mouth from the Naz Reid recruitment. I think he was turned off of how dirty the Northeast recruiting game is in basketball.

 

[rufeelinit]

I don't see how NIL with basically no constraints, can possibly be viewed as creating a more level playing field. It just allows those with deep pockets to come out from the shadows. A school like RU just is not going to be good at playing such a game. Sounds like we wasted a lot of money on a practice facility since with NIL that is no longer a big factor in a recruits decision making process.

I thought Hobbs and Knight had good reps when it came to recruiting but there have been too many misses and bad takes lately. Part of the problem is that with the transfer portal becoming the norm, you have to re-recruit nearly your entire team each year. I am still struck with how quickly this situation has turned negative for Pike and how much work he has to do just to stop the bleeding from continuing next year and beyond.

 

[mildone]

I don't see how NIL with basically no constraints, can possibly be viewed as creating a more level playing field. It just allows those with deep pockets to come out from the shadows. A school like RU just is not going to be good at playing such a game. Sounds like we wasted a lot of money on a practice facility since with NIL that is no longer a big factor in a recruits decision making process.

I thought Hobbs and Knight had good reps when it came to recruiting but there have been too many misses and bad takes lately. Part of the problem is that with the transfer portal becoming the norm, you have to re-recruit nearly your entire team each year. I am still struck with how quickly this situation has turned negative for Pike and how much work he has to do just to stop the bleeding from continuing next year and beyond.

I might have missed it, but who's saying the NIL decision will lead to a more level playing field?

The NIL isn't about leveling the playing field. It's about removing an unconstitutional constraint from NCAA athletes. In no way does it create a level playing field.

It does, however, create an opportunity for some schools to pull themselves up in recruiting, if they have the resources to do so, but were perhaps unwilling or unable to cheat prior to the court's decision.

 

[kcg88]

I must have missed all the huge NIL deals that guys at Maryland and Virginia Tech and Seton Hall and Iowa are getting.

"Everyone is cheating or playing dirty except Rutgers" is the lamest excuse in the book.

 

[mildone]

I must have missed all the huge NIL deals that guys at Maryland and Virginia Tech and Seton Hall and Iowa are getting.

"Everyone is cheating or playing dirty except Rutgers" is the lamest excuse in the book.

I too think that most other schools don't cheat. While it happens, obviously, it seems way too easy to get caught so it stands to reason if it were happening all the time, we'd be hearing about it all the time.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Can we got back to "we have an offense." Isn't the point of an offense to put the orange sphere through the circular ring? I don't see we have anyone that can consistently do that from beyond 15 feet of that circular ring, and many times are challenged with that task a foot from it.

TheKnightReport - 2022 guard Jaquan Harris calls Rutgers his dream school

Rutgers and Auburn have reached out the most but Seton Hall and Virginia Tech have been in contact as of late. Rutgers,

rutgers.rivals.com

You do realize that was from 2019......LOL

Here is the actual facts on Jaquan Harris.....he is a good player and Seton Hall only secured his commitment IF and only if they were willing to take on Jamir Harris, his older brother....

Jamir Harris was a 2017 recruit who picked Minnesota out of HS....and then when Marcus Carr and other guards at Minnesota beat out Harris for playing time, he transferred all the way down to American University in DC.....

Once Harris played his handful of games at American last year during covid, the younger and better player, Jaquan Harris, still was looking around for suitors to recruit him....

The condition for SHU to get Jaquan Harris was to also take Jamir Harris this year and potentially keep him on the roster for a 6th year next year, with the possibility of playing on the same team in college.

I also am a subscriber to the SHU premium board and although rarely discuss their items on here, it is pretty much common knowledge that the recruitment was centered on that aspect. This is the information that fans who honestly, don't follow recruiting closely or at all, revert back to a random article from nearly 3 years ago, as a reference point.....I am not bashing kcg88, but honestly this is all you have to do.

These kids get interviewed constantly and all the time, nationally, regionally etc....whenever a kid is recruited they always express what schools they like the most or say they hope that XYZ school recruits them.

If you can find any recent article in the last 6 to 12 months that says Jaquan Harris wants RU to recruit them, shouldn't they then visit, set up visits, show up at practice......you live 10 minutes from campus and no one knows anything about your goal of playing at RU....?

Being rational and reasonable or realistic.....if you can see the articles when RU expressed an interest in Derek Simpson.....there was no hesitation, no wavering, no nothing about, "well I am still open in my recruitment ".....there is a stark difference between what happens and what doesn't.

Don't overcomplicate things....if a kid wants to be at a school, they would be here....

 

[RU84]

I think your coach has a sour taste in his mouth from the Naz Reid recruitment. I think he was turned off of how dirty the Northeast recruiting game is in basketball.

No only did he coach at Stony Brook but his mentor is Calhoun, who consistently reeled in top talent. I find it hard to believe he wasn't wise to the "Northeast recruiting game."

 

[Mbash93]

You do realize that was from 2019......LOL

Here is the actual facts on Jaquan Harris.....he is a good player and Seton Hall only secured his commitment IF and only if they were willing to take on Jamir Harris, his older brother....

Jamir Harris was a 2017 recruit who picked Minnesota out of HS....and then when Marcus Carr and other guards at Minnesota beat out Harris for playing time, he transferred all the way down to American University in DC.....

Once Harris played his handful of games at American last year during covid, the younger and better player, Jaquan Harris, still was looking around for suitors to recruit him....

The condition for SHU to get Jaquan Harris was to also take Jamir Harris this year and potentially keep him on the roster for a 6th year next year, with the possibility of playing on the same team in college.

I also am a subscriber to the SHU premium board and although rarely discuss their items on here, it is pretty much common knowledge that the recruitment was centered on that aspect. This is the information that fans who honestly, don't follow recruiting closely or at all, revert back to a random article from nearly 3 years ago, as a reference point.....I am not bashing kcg88, but honestly this is all you have to do.

These kids get interviewed constantly and all the time, nationally, regionally etc....whenever a kid is recruited they always express what schools they like the most or say they hope that XYZ school recruits them.

If you can find any recent article in the last 6 to 12 months that says Jaquan Harris wants RU to recruit them, shouldn't they then visit, set up visits, show up at practice......you live 10 minutes from campus and no one knows anything about your goal of playing at RU....?

Being rational and reasonable or realistic.....if you can see the articles when RU expressed an interest in Derek Simpson.....there was no hesitation, no wavering, no nothing about, "well I am still open in my recruitment ".....there is a stark difference between what happens and what doesn't.

Don't overcomplicate things....if a kid wants to be at a school, they would be here....

You are not wrong in what you said here, that being said I know from the kid himself, not from an article, he wanted to play at RU but they barely showed interest. This thing with his brother may have been why they didn't but Jaquan himself wanted to go to RU, at least initially

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

I know one of his coaches, you are 100% wrong bud

It's not complicated, just find an actual, recent published tweet, article, interview....there is no point in "I know a coach etc"....name the coach, name the person.....find the interview with the player being recruited......every player up and down the rankings is tracked Coast to coast by dozens of recruiting services, writers, fans of schools etc.....

You do understand that it is not difficult to find something recent with the players interviewed?? There's nothing overly complicated about this.....

Or let's put it this way.....what prevents a player who wants to be at a school, from stating that publicly?? I'll wait for your answer......

 

[kcg88]

You do realize that was from 2019......LOL

Here is the actual facts on Jaquan Harris.....he is a good player and Seton Hall only secured his commitment IF and only if they were willing to take on Jamir Harris, his older brother....

Jamir Harris was a 2017 recruit who picked Minnesota out of HS....and then when Marcus Carr and other guards at Minnesota beat out Harris for playing time, he transferred all the way down to American University in DC.....

Once Harris played his handful of games at American last year during covid, the younger and better player, Jaquan Harris, still was looking around for suitors to recruit him....

The condition for SHU to get Jaquan Harris was to also take Jamir Harris this year and potentially keep him on the roster for a 6th year next year, with the possibility of playing on the same team in college.

I also am a subscriber to the SHU premium board and although rarely discuss their items on here, it is pretty much common knowledge that the recruitment was centered on that aspect. This is the information that fans who honestly, don't follow recruiting closely or at all, revert back to a random article from nearly 3 years ago, as a reference point.....I am not bashing kcg88, but honestly this is all you have to do.

These kids get interviewed constantly and all the time, nationally, regionally etc....whenever a kid is recruited they always express what schools they like the most or say they hope that XYZ school recruits them.

If you can find any recent article in the last 6 to 12 months that says Jaquan Harris wants RU to recruit them, shouldn't they then visit, set up visits, show up at practice......you live 10 minutes from campus and no one knows anything about your goal of playing at RU....?

Being rational and reasonable or realistic.....if you can see the articles when RU expressed an interest in Derek Simpson.....there was no hesitation, no wavering, no nothing about, "well I am still open in my recruitment ".....there is a stark difference between what happens and what doesn't.

Don't overcomplicate things....if a kid wants to be at a school, they would be here....

I mean, you said "never." That's the part I was disproving. Considering another poster is telling you he also wanted to be here...

I also had a hunch the two were a package deal and if that's why Pikiell cooled off then so be it.

 

[shu2x79]

Jamir Harris is a pretty good (not great, at least he hasn't shown it yet this year) three point shooter who can also go to the basket. Would taking him at RU along with his brother have been a bad thing?

 

[kcg88]

It's not complicated, just find an actual, recent published tweet, article, interview....there is no point in "I know a coach etc"....name the coach, name the person.....find the interview with the player being recruited......every player up and down the rankings is tracked Coast to coast by dozens of recruiting services, writers, fans of schools etc.....

You do understand that it is not difficult to find something recent with the players interviewed?? There's nothing overly complicated about this.....

Or let's put it this way.....what prevents a player who wants to be at a school, from stating that publicly?? I'll wait for your answer......

If he'd been in contact with Rutgers and then Rutgers starts to move away from him, I don't think he's going to say publicly "you know, I really wish this school would start to recruit me again." The same reason you don't say to your friends that you wish the girl who dumped you would start texting you. It's kinda sad.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

Jamir Harris is a pretty good (not great, at least he hasn't shown it yet this year) three point shooter who can also go to the basket. Would taking him at RU along with his brother have been a bad thing?

That is debatable, the item that someone seemingly cannot grasp is how some recruit has no voice, can't speak, can't somehow express themselves on a school they want to attend......?? Yet these same kids are on Social media 24/7, they now tell the world when they're entering the transfer portal but none of that matters......no one pays any attention to what a kid posts on Twitter, IG etc....

I just want to stop the madness that somehow some kid who has the authority to negotiate a NIL deal, suddenly can't explain or express themselves on how or where they want to go....

Meanwhile, in an era where over 1000 kids entered the transfer portal, we also want to believe that kids blindly enter the transfer portal, without first knowing whether or not a school or two has interest in their talents??

I know at least 1 set of parents who expressed a real interest in transferring to RU in another sport and wanted to do so in a discreet manner, to determine if the level of interest was reciprocal.....but this parent and the player clearly understood the landscape of not announcing it to the entire planet that they were considering a transfer......kids on scholarship at one school, rarely throw away a current scholarship unless they know another one is accessible to them.....it is common sense to find out BEFORE you announce a transfer that if they are officially in the portal, that there's an option for them.

Kids enter the transfer portal and they have potential offers or interest within hours....

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

If he'd been in contact with Rutgers and then Rutgers starts to move away from him, I don't think he's going to say publicly "you know, I really wish this school would start to recruit me again." The same reason you don't say to your friends that you wish the girl who dumped you would start texting you. It's kinda sad.

We are acting like RU is Kentucky, Villanova or Duke.....we both agree that is clearly not the case.....RU isn't this juggernaut of a program, loaded up on elite players and is turning players away left and right......I am supporting my thoughts with common sense and what information actually making sense logically.....what incentive would RU have to NOT recruit a talented player, that expresses himself that he wants to be at a school.....??

 

[Rufaninga]

For recruiting, it takes more than 1 year to gain interest. While we say RU made the tournament last "2" years, recruits see we made it last year for the first time since they were born.

We also did not have some magical run,,(outside of us fanatics) with going out in round 2.

From a P5 perspective, we have not done anything more than ANY other P5 program. Many P5 schools have numerous NCAA appearances & levels of success that recruits saw as they were growing up.


So kids that are seniors now, saw RU do nothing for their k-8th grade years, freshman, and sophomore years too. When schools started recruiting them in 9th/10th grade, do you think they put RU at front or back of list?

It will take multiple years of consistent success in getting to and staying in NCAA tournament to get the interest of 4* kids. Until then, we have to develop talent.

 

[Mbash93]

It's not complicated, just find an actual, recent published tweet, article, interview....there is no point in "I know a coach etc"....name the coach, name the person.....find the interview with the player being recruited......every player up and down the rankings is tracked Coast to coast by dozens of recruiting services, writers, fans of schools etc.....

You do understand that it is not difficult to find something recent with the players interviewed?? There's nothing overly complicated about this.....

Or let's put it this way.....what prevents a player who wants to be at a school, from stating that publicly?? I'll wait for your answer......

I am not going to put my friends name out there on a message board to suffice you're needs. He has coached the kid for a few years and told me point blank, he wanted to go to RU and they didn't really recruit him.

 

[jerzeyguy]

I am not going to put my friends name out there on a message board to suffice you're needs. He has coached the kid for a few years and told me point blank, he wanted to go to RU and they didn't really recruit him.

Didn't Harris have family ties - like his mom went to Rutgers, something like that. I heard he wanted to come to Rutgers at one point too. Thought he was a real option

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

I am not going to put my friends name out there on a message board to suffice you're needs. He has coached the kid for a few years and told me point blank, he wanted to go to RU and they didn't really recruit him.

That's not the only thing I asked you.....let's repeat this again.

A) Find the recent articles that states the player likes RU and wants to be at RU.

B) what prevents a player from expressing this alleged interest publicly...the player has social media access to writers here on this website, the 247 site, Adam Zagoria etc.....none of these reporters would want to know a local kid, has interest in RU.....none of these writers or reporters attend practices, games, press conferences etc....no one anywhere in NJ, has any access to Pike, Karl Hobbs, Brandin Knight?? That's what we are doing here.... ?? Really??

C) Let's assume that even if the player or his family expressed interest in going to RU.....and didn't want to want that to be known...?? Does that make sense, if you really want something?? It doesn't.....

If you are saying a Top 10 recruit in the state of NJ, within 10 minutes of campus, can't express that information, I find it hard to believe.

Every coach in football and basketball reads this board....every fan of RU knows someone who knows someone....why is this information suddenly popping up now??

I think that there's still a large amount of self loathing RU fans, looking for reasons why things aren't working....kids that want to go to schools, usually find a way to make that known.....when RU isn't going well, let's come out of the woodwork AFTER the kid committed months ago....when was this interest or information months ago....a year ago??

It's like me saying on Thursday morning to a friend that I was thinking about going to the game tonight and I wasn't sure what time the game started or where the game was, so I missed it....if this is a non-sports fan, who never attended a RU game or didn't know where to go to get tickets, I could possibly understand it.

But to say a Top 10 player in the state has no way of letting a RU staff member know of their interests AND they have no social media access, no way to contact anyone......there's logic and then there is fantasy island.......

 

[rufeelinit]

I might have missed it, but who's saying the NIL decision will lead to a more level playing field?

The NIL isn't about leveling the playing field. It's about removing an unconstitutional constraint from NCAA athletes. In no way does it create a level playing field.

It does, however, create an opportunity for some schools to pull themselves up in recruiting, if they have the resources to do so, but were perhaps unwilling or unable to cheat prior to the court's decision.

There was a comment made by a prominent poster along those lines. We will be more of a have not (as will most) than a have under this NIL framework. I just don't see us thriving in such an environment.

 

[Mbash93]

Didn't Harris have family ties - like his mom went to Rutgers, something like that. I heard he wanted to come to Rutgers at one point too. Thought he was a real option

Yea he did

 

[Mbash93]

That's not the only thing I asked you.....let's repeat this again.

A) Find the recent articles that states the player likes RU and wants to be at RU.

B) what prevents a player from expressing this alleged interest publicly...the player has social media access to writers here on this website, the 247 site, Adam Zagoria etc.....none of these reporters would want to know a local kid, has interest in RU.....none of these writers or reporters attend practices, games, press conferences etc....no one anywhere in NJ, has any access to Pike, Karl Hobbs, Brandin Knight?? That's what we are doing here.... ?? Really??

C) Let's assume that even if the player or his family expressed interest in going to RU.....and didn't want to want that to be known...?? Does that make sense, if you really want something?? It doesn't.....

If you are saying a Top 10 recruit in the state of NJ, within 10 minutes of campus, can't express that information, I find it hard to believe.

Every coach in football and basketball reads this board....every fan of RU knows someone who knows someone....why is this information suddenly popping up now??

I think that there's still a large amount of self loathing RU fans, looking for reasons why things aren't working....kids that want to go to schools, usually find a way to make that known.....when RU isn't going well, let's come out of the woodwork AFTER the kid committed months ago....when was this interest or information months ago....a year ago??

It's like me saying on Thursday morning to a friend that I was thinking about going to the game tonight and I wasn't sure what time the game started or where the game was, so I missed it....if this is a non-sports fan, who never attended a RU game or didn't know where to go to get tickets, I could possibly understand it.

But to say a Top 10 player in the state has no way of letting a RU staff member know of their interests AND they have no social media access, no way to contact anyone......there's logic and then there is fantasy island.......

We already showed you that he said publically that he wanted to come to RU. I guess you had trouble with reading comprehension.

 

[Lawboy12007]

This stuff about Jersey kids wanting to come here and not being offered is essentially not true. They are not offered if there is no interest or they are a problem. Someone tipped me about a kid in Jersey(2021/2022) that was looking for an offer from RU. I looked at his tapes and reached out to a member of our staff. I can tell 100 percent they reached out to him and offered within several weeks. He turned down the offer and is going G League. Mom wanted college but advisor and dad did not ($$$$$$). I knew TY really well when he coached here. There was a Jersey kid who was a 4 or 5 star that told everyone he wanted RU. He went ACC. In order to get him his dad had a list of stipulations. The dad wanted a lot of stuff and we just said NO. The ACC team said yes. Kid turned out to be a bust. I know nothing about the Harris family but it could be as simple as we did need another point and combo in consecutive classes, had scholarship limitations, or felt another player was a better fit. I am sure what you think may have happened but for a reason. They don’t intentionally snub kids. Our recruiting isn’t that good that we can do that.

 

[kcg88]

This stuff about Jersey kids wanting to come here and not being offered is essentially not true. They are not offered if there is no interest or they are a problem. Someone tipped me about a kid in Jersey(2021/2022) that was looking for an offer from RU. I looked at his tapes and reached out to a member of our staff. I can tell 100 percent they reached out to him and offered within several weeks. He turned down the offer and is going G League. Mom wanted college but advisor and dad did not ($$$$$$). I knew TY really well when he coached here. There was a Jersey kid who was a 4 or 5 star that told everyone he wanted RU. He went ACC. In order to get him his dad had a list of stipulations. The dad wanted a lot of stuff and we just said NO. The ACC team said yes. Kid turned out to be a bust. I know nothing about the Harris family but it could be as simple as we did need another point and combo in consecutive classes, had scholarship limitations, or felt another player was a better fit. I am sure what you think may have happened but for a reason. They don’t intentionally snub kids. Our recruiting isn’t that good that we can do that.

The fact that Kevin Willard is largely not recruiting NJ high schoolers either (Harris excepted) should be a sign imo.

 

[jonS]

There is no issue with the offense and it's been stated 1000 times, kids do not want to play in a rigid, inflexible systematic offense......there are very few programs (Iowa, Wisconsin, UVA and others, who play in a system offense).

Recruiting was never about facilities 10 to 15 years ago for FHJ or Mike Rice, or even Eddie Jordan, who landed Corey Sanders, still the most talented guard RU has seen since Douby.....

It takes a financial commitment like all of the other cheating schools implement.....now with NIL, you actually have a path to level the playing field to compete for kids and RU has more donors that can pool funds together for basketball.

The problem right now is we have a small pool of donors that either do not focus on basketball or have their heads in the clouds following Schiano around as if it's the only sport at RU......it doesn't take a million dollar donor to fix basketball, it does take a million dollar donor to be made aware that a poor basketball product, actually impacts your football program.....just like having 45-3 blowouts vs Ohio State when you have basketball recruiting targets on campus......

Keep in mind, RU has a lot to sell, but there were times during the initial Pike seasons where they had a basketball tailgate section for families and recruits to soak up the great campus, but you couldn't stay in the student section for more than a quarter, because Chris Ash was a bubbling buffoon of a coach and RU football was an embarrassing situation.....

This was before the facility was built and we still didn't have anything to offer "off the court/field"......

It takes the Towers, Greg Brown or others to pay attention to basketball.....Schiano is much better off bringing recruiting targets to the RAC, if RU basketball is sold out and playing Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State or Illinois in basketball and the game is competitive.....the RAC is still the most exciting building RU has for sports and if you maintain success in basketball, you can sell football recruiting targets on the excitement of our students and other factors....

When you read the football recruiting target comments about the Ohio State, Michigan State or Wisconsin/Maryland debacle, the recruiting targets say "hey I understand it's a rebuild ", then you read their comments about a visit at Penn State for a white-out, or Ohio State,Michigan etc....basketball recruiting targets attend football games and football recruits attend basketball games.....

How this is lost on RU fans is mysterious to me.....you have to invest in talent acquisition.....doing so for Gavin Wimsatt.....great, that's one player, who we all hope is going to be great......

But a basketball recruit or 2, generates as much ROI as a football recruiting target, who could get injured, not pan out etc.....your investment on the basketball side with the bagman, like 90% of how programs do it, matters the most.....

I cannot speak for NIL, but there is a prominent poster on here, with the knowledge, pedigree and awareness on how to structure it.....we should not want success more than Pat Hobbs, we have to demand it....and if they don't respect what fans are requesting, you get and pool money together to show that RU means business and that it's not acceptable to fall behind anymore.......

I agree with much of your comments about how football helps basketball recruiting and vice versa. What Rutgers lacks is the game day atmosphere in college football that schools like Penn State , Michigan and others offer to visiting basketball recruits. I can't tell you how many times recruits with offers from PSU and Rutgers talk of the experience of PSU's white out games. That's why Penn State has so many of their top targets come to those games..It's a tough experience to beat if your Rutgers.

 

[ru8081]

As much as I love being in the B1G and would not change that membership for anything, it has a midwestern tilt. Kids in the northeast are not thrilled about playing Illinois etc. We need to be more creative in recruiting. We are not getting the job done.

 

[Mbash93]

I agree with much of your comments about how football helps basketball recruiting and vice versa. What Rutgers lacks is the game day atmosphere in college football that schools like Penn State , Michigan and others offer to visiting basketball recruits. I can't tell you how many times recruits with offers from PSU and Rutgers talk of the experience of PSU's white out games. That's why Penn State has so many of their top targets come to those games..It's a tough experience to beat if your Rutgers.

The problem rutgers has is the chicken or the egg.

If we are winning the game day atmospheres will be great. But we can win enough without the right talent.

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

We already showed you that he said publically that he wanted to come to RU. I guess you had trouble with reading comprehension.

2019 is not recent......hearsay is like the rumor mill