No Caleb, no Harper..please. Time to turn the page.
What’s holding back recruiting ?
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He will come in physically ready. I think he'll contribute by the second year. He has good post moves right now, albeit high school competition.
The program relies on kids developing over 4 years. Pikiell has to get some game changers and some real athletes like Corey Sanders/ Jacob Young.
Young was faster than Sanders, although Sanders had more strength.
According to this site, Simpson had exactly one other major offer. One. And it was ASU, which has stunk the last two years. Woolfolk had zero other major offers. Zero. If that information is anything close to accurate, it’s hard to fathom. And we saw how Pike got to that point by losing key recruiting battles. It’s a head-scratching recruiting performance.
I realize that the Rivals guys have to maintain their relationships with the staff to get material, but I’d truly love to hear something useful about what’s going on here, like the reporting pieces that came out from NJ.com concerning Ash and how the HS coaches never even saw him. What are folks saying about Pike on the recruiting trail with AAU, HS coaches, etc. There seem to be major problems.
Possibly paywalled: https://www.nj.com/rutgers/2021/11/...js-top-basketball-talent-bolts-the-state.html
To be totally fair to Pikiell, the fact that Kevin Willard is sort of in the same boat suggests that it may not be a Rutgers problem but a New Jersey problem. Willard has just attacked the transfer portal harder, been more willing to process guys out quicker, and his under the radar recruits have been better or they develop them better (Mamu, Rhoden, Gill).
To me that sounds precisely like it would have been a waste of their time.
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here is RU's scoring rank under Pike
year 1: 322
year 2: 334
year 3: 288
year 4: 212
year 5: 235
year 6; 285
even in our two best seasons we are below average
you think recruits are not aware
sure RU's defensive rank is pretty good over that stretch but its not the 1990s anymore
year 1: 322
year 2: 334
year 3: 288
year 4: 212
year 5: 235
year 6; 285
even in our two best seasons we are below average
you think recruits are not aware
sure RU's defensive rank is pretty good over that stretch but its not the 1990s anymore
Yep, probably explains why Seton Hall, St. John's, Xavier, Providence, etc recruit better than we do.
Basketball recruiting is slimy. It's going to get even worse with NIL. It's not a shock the schools who know to play the game recruit better.
Pike relies on player development. Which is great, if you get the kids with talent to start with. I suspect this model works well at schools like Stony Brook who play other schools with talent deficit issues. In the B1G it's not sustainable.
Pike has done a great job up until this point but this season is already a disaster. Programs like ours have to continuously move forward. And recruiting is a big piece of that. Pike hasn't used the last two years to do that. Our talent now is arguably worse than it was the last two season. He didn't capitalize on the work that that was done. We should be having better players come in, not the same or worse. If you look at the lack of talent across the roster and that which is coming in, these things usually end in a certain way. But he's earned the right to play it out. Maye he will pull a rabbit out of the hat. The one thing basketball has it it doesn't take but a few game changers to make a huge difference. Maybe he gets that in the portal. If not, he kicked the can down the road. Maybe the next guy will understand recruiting better and be able to bring in more talent.
Pike relies on player development. Which is great, if you get the kids with talent to start with. I suspect this model works well at schools like Stony Brook who play other schools with talent deficit issues. In the B1G it's not sustainable.
Pike has done a great job up until this point but this season is already a disaster. Programs like ours have to continuously move forward. And recruiting is a big piece of that. Pike hasn't used the last two years to do that. Our talent now is arguably worse than it was the last two season. He didn't capitalize on the work that that was done. We should be having better players come in, not the same or worse. If you look at the lack of talent across the roster and that which is coming in, these things usually end in a certain way. But he's earned the right to play it out. Maye he will pull a rabbit out of the hat. The one thing basketball has it it doesn't take but a few game changers to make a huge difference. Maybe he gets that in the portal. If not, he kicked the can down the road. Maybe the next guy will understand recruiting better and be able to bring in more talent.
4 pages of analysis that's not necessary...kids and their AAU affiliates are just a mini-NIL.... you either ante up consistently and the AAU community properly will respond and kids will come....just a brief recap, since I have posted this multiple times over the last decade plus on how the process works for "most" recruits, not all.
A) recruit gathers multiple offers. If the player or AAU affiliate requires payment or donation to their AAU 501-3-C....there is a "minimum payment" required to stay on the list of "Final 5 schools".....
B) the minimum payment to stay on the list should be viewed like "paying a toll to cross the bridge"......it is non-refundable, or considered a donation to stay in it.
C) once the schools have made the non-refundable minimum payment, there is a "blind bidding"...or there is a 2nd minimum payment required for the player. All of the schools, assistant coaches/alumni that are bidding on the kid, have to submit their "offer".....all offers have to be in by a certain timeframe or date.
D) Once all of the " blind offers" are in, they are reviewed and the largest offer usually wins.
E) This is when you will typically see the vague reference of "schools recruiting a player the hardest".....it is a way of signaling that other schools have moved ahead of others in the blind bidding.
F) it is rare that once the blind bidding is done, that a school that didn't bid the highest in the original offer, gets to come back into the bidding to "up their offer".....the indirect result is "you needed to submit your best and final offer ", similar to buying a house on the real estate market.
F) Kid verbally commits to school.....all of the coaches usually honor the commitment and stop recruiting the kid, once he has committed.
G) once the kid officially enrolls in school and then starts into the basketball season for practice and preparing for games, is when the actual "payment" takes place.....It could take place with alumni meeting the AAU affiliate at a specific location to exchange the bag of cash for the player.
I will state again, this is not for every single recruit but the majority of the kids of value on the market.
A) recruit gathers multiple offers. If the player or AAU affiliate requires payment or donation to their AAU 501-3-C....there is a "minimum payment" required to stay on the list of "Final 5 schools".....
B) the minimum payment to stay on the list should be viewed like "paying a toll to cross the bridge"......it is non-refundable, or considered a donation to stay in it.
C) once the schools have made the non-refundable minimum payment, there is a "blind bidding"...or there is a 2nd minimum payment required for the player. All of the schools, assistant coaches/alumni that are bidding on the kid, have to submit their "offer".....all offers have to be in by a certain timeframe or date.
D) Once all of the " blind offers" are in, they are reviewed and the largest offer usually wins.
E) This is when you will typically see the vague reference of "schools recruiting a player the hardest".....it is a way of signaling that other schools have moved ahead of others in the blind bidding.
F) it is rare that once the blind bidding is done, that a school that didn't bid the highest in the original offer, gets to come back into the bidding to "up their offer".....the indirect result is "you needed to submit your best and final offer ", similar to buying a house on the real estate market.
F) Kid verbally commits to school.....all of the coaches usually honor the commitment and stop recruiting the kid, once he has committed.
G) once the kid officially enrolls in school and then starts into the basketball season for practice and preparing for games, is when the actual "payment" takes place.....It could take place with alumni meeting the AAU affiliate at a specific location to exchange the bag of cash for the player.
I will state again, this is not for every single recruit but the majority of the kids of value on the market.
