Wimsatt will be our Starting Quarterback next year
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Easy up.
He may be a clown but he’s our Clown.
Yeah it’s hard to take that seriously. But I think you (and he for different reasons) are wrong that the plan is to just ride Gavin next year. Greg doesn’t fall too hard on his prior decisions if Gavin doesn’t work out now. We went 6-6 after all. I don’t see him just laying down and dying on that hill. I know the world is different with NIL but this is a guy who moved past Savage. He’s not afraid of his QB turning star elsewhere.
I think we’re going to bring in a backup with FBS experience of some level. I’ll be shocked if we don’t now that we don’t even have Evan. The question is - what caliber will we get?
At least 3 of 5 linemen return next year and we’re waiting to hear on the 4th. So the expectation is that the line will be more effective next year.
He had 16 rushes for 143 yards vs Indiana, aided by an 80 Yard TD run, which we’ve discussed. AJ and Ajani will be the backups.
With Monongai moving on, we may need to give Gavin more carries next year, especially if next years primary RB isn’t as effective as Kyle.
The 1K is for his senior year. He ran for 488 yards this year, ~500 yards, and the hope is that he does 750 yards next year. Kyle Monangai had 217 attempts. Sam Brown, the expected starter next year, has never had over 100 attempts in a season. So a good portion of Kyles Carrie’s can go to Gavin next year. Maybe allocate 150 Carries to Sam Brown, and around 180 to Gavin. Brown only had 53 Carrie’s this year, whereas Gavin had 122.
Al I love your energy. The fact that 1 cherry picked year of Eric Crouch where he rushed for a thousand yards and 20 touchdowns in the option from 25 years ago is the example ... I'm taking that as a win.
FBS? Our purse is likely not big enough.
Doubt it, though anything is possible. Ivy League, FCS or non power 5 is most likely, if they decide to add someone, though I think it would be a waste. Anyone we bring in will likely be a schlub to hold the clipboard.
I’m ready to go to battle with AJ and Ajani.
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Yeah, like Everybody’s so impressed with your genius. Now you can STFU and sit down. No one wants you here.
Save your post. Get ready to be shocked. We may bring in someone new from Lehigh or Western Illinois to hold the clipboard but not to challenge for QB1. As far as dying on that hill, he’s got 4 years left so there’s no pressure to move on from GW after a bowl season. I think GS loves GW as QB1.
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It doesn’t work this way though. Gavin isn’t a work horse rusher like Kyle. He had a handful of explosive runs which is great. But he’s not an every down type runner. He picks up chunk yards a couple times a game mostly because the D expects the hand off to Kyle. It’s not realistic at all to expect a huge jump in run production from him.
A portal transfer like Noah Vedral when he came to us will not command huge NIL dollars. We’re probably going to get someone like that. That’s my guess. A kid who filled in for an injured starter at a decent FBS school and did a servicable job. Hopefully someone a bit better than Noah.
All of that misses the point. This isn’t 1935; passing is critically important. Debating GW’s running productivity and ignoring his passing incompetence is wildly irrelevant. With all that rushing prowess, how many TDs last month ? One trick ponies lose.
Gavin had 126 Carries this year. Increasing by at least 50, which is roughly 4 more carries a game doesn’t seem like that much of a jump. Brown carrried only 53 times this year. He’ll take a big jump in Carries to at least 150 next year. The big concern with Brown is his durability, so Benjamin might have to also share in the carries.
One of the reasons why the coaches love GW is he rarely throws interceptions. If RU threw one or two interceptions in the games there is no way we would be 6-6. When Rutgers gets some good receivers we will see more passing and higher completion rates. It's very obvious that GW is the guy for the duration of his time on the banks no matter how much people argue over it.
Is there 1 example of a QB at Rutgers making significant leaps in passing percentage from 1 year to the next? We have enough data at this point to predict with reasonable assurance where accuracy will be next year. All this talk of great improvement in the offseason is just pure delusion. Schiano, and anyone with half a brain knows this.
Right on the mark. What Gavin allows us to do, is bide time, and maximize wins while we build the WR Corp. the problem with a more passing oriented quarterback, is that you might get more passing yards, but you will also get turnovers, Because the WR Corp is weak. I believe Schiano had this Eureka moment during the Nebraska game, when Simon threw that terrible interception.
So even though Gavin’s passing stats are ugly, he should get us to at least 6 wins. By the time we build up the WR Corp, AJ and a Ajani will be ready to go. Duff is the next Kenny Britt. Black and Crumpler are going to bolster the WR Corp too. But they will probably need time to acclimate to this level. So it could be another year of ugly offense.
After the first 2 games, next year's schedule is very tough. We get USC, UCLA, and Washington looking to make a splash in their first year in the conference. Nebraska will be better the 2nd year under Rhule and that is at Nebraska. MSU, Illinois, and Minny are not going to be easy games. And we all know how tough Wisconsin and Maryland can be. While our defense should be very good, opposing teams will be geared up to stop our running game and daring "Winsatt" as you call him, to beat them with his arm. If you think we "should" get to 6 wins with "Winsatt" as our starting QB next year I am afraid you might be in for a rude awakening. Mark it down, we need am upgrade at that position along with our receiving corps if we have any realistic chance to go bowling next year.
Come on. You really don’t think he’s going to try to get a Noah Vedral level kid? He lost Evan and Langhan (our emergency 4th string). I know you don’t like Schiano but he’s not a complete idiot. I cannot see him going into next season without a single alternative whose played a meaningful snap.
We’re going to be in the market, and our options will be better than they’ve been in the past. Not to land a proven FBS starter - I agree with you. That probably won’t happen. But for a servicable back up who may have started at one point but got beaten out on a depth chart at a good FBS school.
You and many others are focused on the wrong metric. The only metric that matters to Schiano is rushing yards, turnovers, and defensive metrics, for now. He cares about completion percentage, but it’s less of a priority, compared to the others.
With a quarterback like Gavin, you’re not worried about the passing percentage because of his rushing ability. Gavin is a rushing quarterback who passes the ball, not a passing quarterback who runs the ball. His style may be ugly, but it allows us to minimize turnovers, which is the priority. That’s why they named him quarterback during the summer. If passing yardage and accuracy were important, they easily could have named Simon QB during the summer.
Yet Gavin was named, and Simon is transferring.
At best, Gavin will make incremental gains, and raise his completion percentage to 50%, next year, unless the freshman make huge impacts, which is possible but unlikely. Another possibility is Gavin develops better vision and better touch on his passes, especially the short ones. This could allow Gavin to significantly improve his completion percentage.
For the most part, we are going to run the ball, and play tough defense. It will allow us to beat the teams we’re supposed to beat.
This is what Greg Schiano meant by complementary offense.
Agreed. If GW doesn’t show significant improvement by game 3 of next year it is time to move on. If he hasn’t move on by then and it is obvious there is a developmental problem, I believe the issue will be directly correlated to NIL. The issue is GS is married to GW and has to answer not only to GW, his family but now NIL sponsors. I have an opinion as to why Gavin gets so many carries inside the 10 versus KM and it’s all NIL.
I have spoken in depth to buddy that is very clued into the South Carolina NIL situation. They had a similar issue with one of their high NIL rb’s. He was getting the carries over a non NIL d2 transfer until it became to obvious.
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You are not understanding Schiano’s strategy for winning games. We are going to run the ball and play tough defense, and strive to minimize turnovers. Passing yardage and completion percentage is secondary, because the WR Corp is weak.
This allows us to win the games we’re supposed to win. The objective for next season is the same as this season, get to a bowl and continue to build the program.
USC and Washington are probably off the table, but every other game is an opportunity. Had we played our current offensive style two years ago, we likely beat Nebraska.
A Noah Vedral type kid might require a sizeable NIL payment, something we don’t have. One high prospect got 10 offers of $1M. Only 1 team will be successful, so there will be 9 teams willing to offer $1M to to qb prospects. In the portal.
This is Schiano’s views on Gavin’s performance.
He’s truly developed in a very big way,” Schiano said. “He is the quarterback of a team that’s going to a Bowl game. You just go down the list of the guys that aren’t (going to bowl games), and he’s the quarterback of (a team that is). ... I mean, yeah, he’s not ready yet. Consistency comes last. But he’s done some really good stuff. Today weren’t his best day, but I can say that for a lot of guys.”
Rutgers’ Greg Schiano: Gavin Wimsatt developed in ‘very big way’ this season. Has he grown enough?
Rutgers quarterback Gavin Wimsatt and coach Greg Schiano believe the redshirt sophomore has improved throughout the season.
Why do you keep bringing up Simon? If he’s still what he was in 2022, he was never going to be the answer to challenge Gavin. That doesn’t mean Gavin is immune to competition from anyone though.
I mean look - Greg’s decision to start Noah cold turkey off injury in that Nebraska game tells you what you need to know about his confidence in Evan. Vedral led us to a 13-0 lead by the way before his hand went numb. You keep crapping on the kid spewing a whole bunch of crap about how much better Gavin is. Meanwhile before Noah’s hand gave out he looked great in that game. Had a nice 33 yard pass and a 21 yard run in the first series on a TD drive. He had another 34 yard throw and a 43 yarder in the next few series. But gradually the numbness kicked in and the kid couldn’t feel his hand. He tried to play in a few more games but it’s hard to play QB when you can’t feel your hand. It ultimately turned into a career of injury. But stop acting like if not for that injury Noah wasn’t going to start (and wouldn’t have deserved to start) over Gavin. Also - why are you so convinced that absent the injury Noah wouldn’t have continued to improve at all from 2021 to 2022 - but Gavin is a slam dunk to make a huge leap next year? Your logic makes no sense. Of course we should bring in someone an experienced plan B to challenge him. There’s no reason not to. You sound ridiculous arguing that he’s earned the right for his only competition to be frosh who have never played college ball before.
A Noah Vedral type kid might require a sizeable NIL payment, something we don’t have. One high prospect got 10 offers of $1M. Only 1 team will be successful, so there will be 9 teams willing to offer $1M to to qb prospects. In the portal.
This is Schiano’s views on Gavin’s performance.
He’s truly developed in a very big way,” Schiano said. “He is the quarterback of a team that’s going to a Bowl game. You just go down the list of the guys that aren’t (going to bowl games), and he’s the quarterback of (a team that is). ... I mean, yeah, he’s not ready yet. Consistency comes last. But he’s done some really good stuff. Today weren’t his best day, but I can say that for a lot of guys.”
Rutgers’ Greg Schiano: Gavin Wimsatt developed in ‘very big way’ this season. Has he grown enough?
Rutgers quarterback Gavin Wimsatt and coach Greg Schiano believe the redshirt sophomore has improved throughout the season.www.nj.com
A Noah type kid will require no more NIL money than your average Joe on the roster. Nobody is paying big money for a back up QB coming off a season contributing 500 or so yards on 52 pass attempts and 30 run attempts with zero TDs at Nebraska. But for us, that’s what you’d think we’ll target. A kid who got some meaningful snaps, completed them at a high percentage (he was over 65% on the small sample) and no turnovers. Over 100 rush yards demonstrating some mobility.
Correct - that is Schiano’s strategy. Your still not answering why based on this we wouldn’t look to bring in another Vedral type as a plan B (back ups with his numbers are not big NIL money candidates - stop suggesting this - NIL not a factor at all). Not doing so just seems stupid.
A Vedral type checks the box of someone who could be relied on (even better than Gavin) to not turn the ball over. Anyone we’d bring in would have a better track record on accuracy, because, well, our incumbent finished dead last in that metric. As for running, I agree we’re probably not in the market for a pocket passer but Noah came in off a 30 carry season netting 106 yards on the ground. That’s not dazzling anyone to throw out NIL money, but it’s also not statue numbers. If he had 120 rush attempts like Gavin it would’ve translated to 424 yards.
Everyone has a strategy until they get hit. I think that was something like Mike Tyson’s famous quote. So the other coaches are complete morons and can’t figure out our offensive strategy? One dimensional offenses are pretty easy to scheme against. I think you and Greg are going to find that next year opposing defenses will be loaded to stop the run. To win even 6 games with that schedule you are going to need a QB that can consistently hit open receivers.
And by the way why aren’t you calling him “Winsatt”? You started a thread during the off season declaring that you had a new name for our QB, “Winsatt” and now you do not use that name, what’s up with that? You need to man up, if you are going to start silly threads and rename players stick with it no matter how foolish it turns out. C’mon.
Yup - all this is true. But Greg can maintain his strategy and still not die on the Gavin hill. No other FBS team is paying Gavin big NIL money at this point or guaranteeing him a starting position. He’s not going anywhere if we bring in a plan B. He’d be a fool as Rutgers would still be his most likely path to a starting role.
I'm not going to look it up, but possibly Nova from the year before Fridge and the year Fridge coached him.
Nope - not Nova either. He didn’t have a great year in 2013 but he actually had a 57% completion rate in 2012 on 388 attempts (his most in any season). He was 57.2% in 2014 so it wasn’t this huge jump. More like he had a setback year in 2013.
RU is a run-oriented team that, according to the coach himself, doesn’t have the NIL funding to attract the best players in the portal.
You‘re one of a small list of good QBs in the portal with lots of playing experience that proves you’re good, a reliably accurate and strong arm, who didn’t throw lots of INTs or make lots of fumbles, who is smart enough to pick up our system near instantly even though our OC said to fully get it takes 3 years.
Why do you choose RU over a team that passes a lot more, won’t get you beat up running a lot, won’t be a likely backup role due to time it takes to learn the full offense, and has more NIL funding?
Anything is possible. But while we might land a a Simon replacement as a backup, I think the odds are very low that another QB comes in via the portal that is good enough to unseats GW as starter next year. That guy will wind up at a different school.
You‘re one of a small list of good QBs in the portal with lots of playing experience that proves you’re good, a reliably accurate and strong arm, who didn’t throw lots of INTs or make lots of fumbles, who is smart enough to pick up our system near instantly even though our OC said to fully get it takes 3 years.
Why do you choose RU over a team that passes a lot more, won’t get you beat up running a lot, won’t be a likely backup role due to time it takes to learn the full offense, and has more NIL funding?
Anything is possible. But while we might land a a Simon replacement as a backup, I think the odds are very low that another QB comes in via the portal that is good enough to unseats GW as starter next year. That guy will wind up at a different school.
Actually, no I don't think he's going to try. Shepard is the #2. But my main disagreement with you is whether he'll bring anyone in to compete with GW for QB1. I mean, actually be given a chance unlike Simon. I say no. I think Schiano is committed to GW for two more years because he's not interested in passing talent and because of his promise to GW not to bring in anyone to challenge for the job.
When you and I see GW at the bottom of QB metrics, he sees the reverse. No frills, low risk, no passing. That what he's looking for at the position. Passing almost irrelevant. Heck, even Langan was a starter here.
Sad thing is....if Vanderbilt had a choice between GW or Synder, who would they have taken ? Our starter or our castoff ?
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and I'll take it further. GS is so committed to GW he won't even entertain the idea of a QB competition with a portal player, Shepard or Surace. Does not compute, just like a cat doesn't know what an egg is.
Nah. GS will do whatever it takes to win.
GS might not succeed at RU. It remains to be seen. But he can be counted on to do his best to help the team be successful. Thinking anything else is delusional. That’s pretty much true of all professional coaches, and GS is no exception.
If GW starts next year, it’s because the coaching staff will have determined that he’s the best option we have. If, the coaches determine that one of our other QBs, or one from the portal, gives us a better chance to win, they’ll play that guy instead.
It’s always that simple no matter how much some fans like to imagine otherwise.
I think your right about Simon but wrong in general that it’s a universal Wimsatt or nobody philosophy. Schiano doesn’t want a pocket passer with this offense. I’ll take it a step further and say he won’t entertain switching to that style unless he goes full circle back to pro style and brings in a full back (unlikely).
But Vedral isn’t Simon, and there will be lots of mediocre, uninspiring 2024 versions of Vedral out there for Schiano to choose from. The prerequisites being - a) must be dual threat with some running ability and b) able to be trusted not to turn the ball over. Why wouldn’t Schiano want to diversify his portfolio of options provided the choices meet these requirements.
I do agree with this- GW, if starting next year- has to throw for 2500 yds. He has to run for 400-500 yds but in a different manner then he did this year. They need designed runs for him to the outside and give him the chance to run a true RPO.
Nah. Schiano's fixation is having this board melt down. W-L record is of secondary importance.
Here is the thing with our Cuse troll- Al- you are ours to love and sometimes hate....(not me, but others lol) And you take a lot of heat from so many on here-
This is the first time I have seen you just get mad at someone on here- and it has been almost 20 years. The fact you just got tired of this POS should say a lot to everyone else- Shelby just needs to go back to the tundra. GTF out of here
Yes - and in no way am I saying there’s zero chance he pulls it off. My point is that It would be incredibly dumb for us not to bring in the best possible QB we could get next season from the portal. We have 2 promising frosh so we need a stop gap type plan B veteran. If Gavin beats the guy out, good for him. But how do some of our fans think we should bring in nobody? Even if Gavin had a great year we’d need a back up. We had two QBs with experience on the roster this year other than Gavin (Evan and Langhan). Schiano isn’t rolling with zero.
I would agree with you but there are several teams that will start a new QB from the portal. The problem is all the new coaches know the important of the passing game. We don’t win against passing teams with just a running game. WV, Louisville and Cincinnati are reminders from the past.
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