A blue chipper is an uncommitted high school wrestler you are thinking about every time you log onto this site. $$$$
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To me, a blue chip recruit is ranked in the top 2 in his weight class coming out of HS. When I think blue chip for wrestling, I am thinking of someone that is expected to compete for national titles, not simply AA status. They are expected to be 4x national qualifiers, and to compete at an AA level for their entire careers.
Correnti needs a RS to transition to 285. I also am really high on him after the development he showed this past year, but to throw him out there at 285 this year is just a waste individually.
Good teams are concerned about their individual wrestler development. To waste a year for a kid just to patch a hole for some duals is doing him a disservice. I don't the the RU staff is going to pull a RS until he is ready to compete in March no matter what the situation at 285 is.
Maybe I'm wrong and his development into a top 15 type HWT comes quicker, but that is a tall order to put on 30-40lbs of good weight that quickly.
So how do we determine 5 star? Top 5 in his weight class, top 25 in his class as ranked by Intermat and/or Flo?
I think I lean towards the top 25 in their class.
To me, a 5 star recruit(blue chipper) is a recruit projected to contend for AA status right away. A franchise wrestler you can build your team around. Top 25 overall in class sounds about right. 5+ star if ur top 10 class rankings.
To me, 4 stars would be overall class rankings ~26-60; 3 stars would be ~61-100; 2 stars 101-150
Just like in any other sport, being a blue-chipper doesn't guarantee success on the next level but ,statistically, you will have a better chance. The reverse is also true of less touted wrestlers coming out of HS
if you are in the top 150, with 10 weight classes that puts you in top 15 of your weight class (on average). i.e. could be starting for a BIG team. id say 2 stars is a little harsh. there are some weights which are stacked with 5 guys who have cadet and junior titles. Its too hard to generalize in wrestling.
on one of the message boards they have revisited class rankings and how wrestlers performed. its all over the place. So hard to predict.
The top 15 of weight class avg would make sense if there was only one class in college.. but there are fresh, soph, jr, sr, and redshirts etc.
Was this the link you were talking about? http://intermatwrestle.com/articles/18008
For fun, I tallied up all the AA this year according to what they were ranked coming out of hs overall class.
38/80 AA were ranked in top 25
13/80 AA were ranked 26-60
9/80 AA were ranked 61-100
7/80 AA were ranked 101-150(I counted WC part of this group)
13/80 AA were NR
Of all the NCAA champs this year 9/10 of them were ranked in the top 25 of their class coming out of hs And almost half the AA were ranked in the top 25.
However, after the top 25 there was a lot of parity. Just as many guys Unranked guys becoming AA as guys ranked 26-60 coming out of hs.
Bad news for wrestling. Boise St dropped its wrestling program, so that it could start a baseball program.
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/54908-boise-state-to-drop-wrestling-program#.WPawknMpBnE
The program has had considerable success having won six Pac 12 titles (2000, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009 and 2011). The program boasts 20 individual All-Americans, 12 top-20 NCAA finishes and 5 top-10 NCAA finishes.
April 18, 2017
BOISE, Idaho - In order to better align its programs with the Mountain West, and with the intent to add baseball in the future, Boise State announced Tuesday that it will no longer offer wrestling as an intercollegiate sport.
http://www.flowrestling.org/article/54908-boise-state-to-drop-wrestling-program#.WPawknMpBnE
The program has had considerable success having won six Pac 12 titles (2000, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009 and 2011). The program boasts 20 individual All-Americans, 12 top-20 NCAA finishes and 5 top-10 NCAA finishes.
April 18, 2017
BOISE, Idaho - In order to better align its programs with the Mountain West, and with the intent to add baseball in the future, Boise State announced Tuesday that it will no longer offer wrestling as an intercollegiate sport.
Appears Zach Firestone will be transferring to wrestle at Rutgers.
Firestone is the former state champ from Bucknell / Clearview that felt screwed over by Bucknell and the scholarship?
Correnti definitely needs a RS Year to Transition to HWT however I think a lot of people are going a little overboard on how much weight he needs to put on to be effective.
The Average weight for HWT's at the D1 Level this year was in the range of 220-230 range asI recall from the NCAA Championship Broadcast.
With the new technology and nutrition out there, hydrating up it should be no issue to get to up the that range and remain solid in terms of muscle mass.
He probably hydrated up 5-7 pounds naturally from his last 197 weigh in
The average weight was heavier than that. Kasper from Duke was the lightest at 218, Snyder was the second lightest at 226. Correnti needs a solid year to lift and get stronger for HWT, he was not a physically strong 97lber. I do think he could be a good HWT at about 230. This was discussed on the mat forums and they could not find out all the weights for the NCAA HWT, but someone listed the actual weights for the Michigan State open and the average HWT weight was 251. I would think they would be close to this at the NCAA tournament.
Would he be eligible this year or does he red shirt and step in after Delvecchio (sp?) graduates?
I "think" he will be eligible to wrestle after first semester since he left Bucknell after 1 semester. Last season was his redshirt year so if I am right he will be able to wrestle 3.5 years.
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Updated to say I was told by people close to the program that he has 4 years to wrestle 3. So I would guess yes he would redshirt this year and step in. Was only 4-6 last year in limited action, one of those wins was against a non D1 wrestler.
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So therefore let's RS him this year and get him on the mat at 133 once Delvecchio graduates. Who is in line to start at 141 after Ash graduates (MVB maybe)? Talk about big shoes to fill.
Who's in line after Ash? Currently, it's Malcom Robinson, out of Blair. There's a depth chart pinned on this board, I believe, that obrats keeps pretty up to date.
Let's hope the Blair code has been cracked for RU. If it has, then I think we will end up a perennial Top 10 tourney team and Top 5 dual team.
Yeah, Robinson is a senior next year at Blair, so we don't really know whether he would beat DelVecchio. Haha.
As for Firestone, who knows. I honestly don't know that much about the kid, despite him being local to me. But whether he could or not, I'm not sure if it's worth it. Think of it as Pagano vs. Buk. If one underperforms, the other may just take his spot. But DelVecchio has been good to the program and done relatively well in NCAAs and whatnot. I just know that Coach isn't afraid to make a change if he thinks it'll help the team then and going forward.
Firestone is not beating DelVecchio next year. As Obrats said above, he went 3-6 against D-1 competition and think only 1 or 2 of the kids he wrestled were starters. Granted it was his true Frosh year, so there is an adjustment, but he still has a lot to prove at the D-1 level.
The question is not how much weight he needs to gain...But how much muscle weight... He is no where strong enough yet to be a B1G heavy...
Rutgers just got another NJ commit in 4th at 145 Nicholas Santos, St. Peters Prep (34-7). Welcome to the Banks.
Is he a 2018 recruit? He likely will compete for a NJ State Title as a senior if so. Likely will be a 149 wrestler in college I bet.
Thanks to Obrats for updating the Rutgers Depth Chart in the "Sticky Threads" section of the Forum. I always look forward to the names of the high school wrestlers from NJ, NY, and PA that Obrats researches and lists. Sincerely appreciate the hard work.
You are welcome, to be honest I get those Ny and Pa kids from Flo and Intermat rankings.
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