Post it over and over again in an different manor and you might make it believable. Isn't that how it works for you guys. The more you say something the more believable it becomes for you. But clearly he's ranked #11 on Flo.
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Thank you. For some reason windows search feature didn't pick up on it.
I went to Flo and used windows search feature and it didn't pop up, for some reason. Of course, had the guy that I'm actually debating with actually done some legwork, that could have been avoided. And, of course, I see you did your homework bandwagon style.
Hopefully, US Cadet World team member Robert Howard is next on the list!!!
Maybe he could wrestle at PSU for a year, become homesick and Rutgers can steal him away....
I kid...I kid...
Why did your school refuse a closed door meeting for an amicable split request? I thought you said psu wasn't standing in the way of Suriano's transfer and they had done everything they could? However, they clearly were holding up the process. Common sense would dictate, you need to get an amicable split before you could request for a waiver.
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Yeah, a lot of people owe Bill an apology on this thread as has he has been right on with everything.
And the guy who said I was wrong about Benner should do his homework next time before calling someone out but that's been par for the course in this thread. Oppose everything anyone says!
And the guy who said I was wrong about Benner should do his homework next time before calling someone out but that's been par for the course in this thread. Oppose everything anyone says!
It doesnt matter what the paragraph says, and it doesnt matter why.
The Big Ten based on the information provided decided FOR the Student Athlete.
None of us will likely ever know the real reason they sided with him. We should just be happy that they sided with athlete over school.
What you stated is clearly not what that paragraph says.
"It took more than three weeks for the Big Ten Academics and Eligibility subcommittee to rule on Suriano, whose waiver was submitted after sources told NJ Advance Media that Penn State officials refused a closed-doors request for an amicable split."
Ok, your right I took it out of context by mistake. The question remains why did psu refuse a closed-doors meeting for an amicable split if like you said psu did everything in it's power to release Suriano? Seems to me they were trying to hold up the process. This is the info Bill tried giving us before you guys ran him off.
Just because one side requests an amicable split doesn't make it amicable. I'm not going to bother responding to something that "seems to you."
Just curious, does anyone know if Nick would have needed the waiver if Cael released Nick from the team?
What I mean by that is if Nick was going to come back to PSU as to not want to lose a year, Cael decides he doesn't want anyone in his room that would rather be somewhere else and releases him from the team. Would nick have needed a waiver ?
Cute response, so I guess they didn't do everything they could during the process from this response. Since it wasn't amicable. Got it you were wrong this whole time. Also you do know what a closed-doors meeting is right? They wouldn't even talk to just the kid and his family about it.
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It seems as though the rubber stamp of PSU support must have been something the RU staff made up to away public opinion, since the committee went against PSU's supposed "no."
Here is an honest question that I have talked w friends about..... Penn St is a lot more expensive for an out of state student than an in state student. With NCAA rules only allowing about 10 schollies to be split among the whole team, is it possible Suriano was getting just a 1/4- 1/2 scholarship and that created a 'financial situation' where the family couldn't afford to send him out of state, and at RU, being NJ In State, a 1/2 schollie goes a lot further.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
So your saying it was just one big conspiracy? That RU concocted a devious plan to sway the Academic and Eligibility Subcommittee made up of fellow conference members and they caved to all the public pressure?
That's a wildly absurd theory, your grasping at straws now.
where are all the psu posters? it was like 5 posts by psu guys for every single RU post prior to this official suriano news.
So, your hypothesis is that the Surianos couldn't do math and budgeting 2015? I'm going to go on the record as saying I do not believe that is the case.
yeah, you are probably right, but things change financially with families all the time.
Most likely, he just wanted to wrestle with his friends (3 other Bergen Catholic wrestlers on the team, most will start), and be with other NJ wrestlers he's known all his life, plus make it a lot easier on his family to come to the matches. AND save them a few bucks to boot.
Very happy for Nick, his family and the RU wrestling coaches, team and community. Now I am going to try to lobby the BIG to get the transfer rule adjusted to be more athlete friendly in the first place especially in the student athlete's freshman year.
Yeah, let's not gloat. Who cares? Nick is here and ready to start his quest, that's all we should be talking about.
(well that and the hopes that Ash gets a 6th yr, if that's what he's shooting for).
Go RU!
Folks let me clarify what I said and what happened. I said if PSU approved the waiver and RU/Suriano had a compelling case, it would be a rubber stamp for the committee to grant the waiver. PSU belatedly did not answer the committee until the 11th hour, which was a NO answer and the committee felt Suriano's reasons warranted a waiver over the objection of the PSU NO response. That is what happened so RU gets Suriano eligible immediately. Case closed. Have a nice Labor Day folks.
It's not just the B1G. It's all 5 of the Power 5 conferences. Just lobby the NCAA and you can get all 5 at one time.
You didn't clarify anything as you just offered contradictory information. One, how could Penn State approve the waiver if they didn't know the basis? Two, Penn State took no position on the waiver. They didn't oppose the waiver. There is an real statement on the position, not some fabricated nonsense. If what you said previously were true, the fact that the supposed opposition (again, not supported by any evidence) was given at the 11th hour (which is not belated, btw - that's something different. If you are required to give a response by a date and time certain, any time before that time is the same and timely) would have scuttled the waiver. That didn't happen either.
You've given multiple versions of the waiver process and none of them makes an iota of sense.
I posted something similar on another thread but it did not lead to a discussion on the theory. However, maybe at PSU, winning a national title gives a kid a greater share of scholarship money and NS's injury cost him some funding, what with 5 national champs to reward. Then the diskish comment by the PSU fan about the family not being able to budget wouldn't apply. If this has any truth to it, the financial aspect could have helped his case do a waiver. Speculation on my part but who knows.
dude, just give up. WNG is plugged in and has been correct every step of the way. you just don't like hearing the news he's reporting.
You're not contributing anything to conversation, just complaining. move on my dude.
Please stop posting inaccurate information matter7172.
The NCAA doesn't have any transfer rules that pertain
to intraconference transfers. The NCAA doesn't care whether a student athlete is transferring out of conference or within conference.
We've been thru this regarding NCAA D1 Wrestling Conferences. Most NCAA D1 Wrestling Conferences do not have intraconference transfer restrictions like the B1G.
Here is a brief summary that compares Power 5 conferences and their additional transfer restrictions for intraconference transfers of wrestlers beyond the transfer restrictions of the NCAA.
ACC
Similar transfer restrictions as B1G, but, ACC only has 6 wrestling schools. The B1G has 14.
Big 12
No penalty at all if 1st school consents in writing to a wrestlers enrollment at 2nd school within conference.
Only 4 Big 12 wrestling programs are Power 5 schools, Iowa St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St and WVU.
PAC 12
There are only 5 wrestling programs in the PAC 12.
Three are Power 5 schools, Arizona St, Oregon St and Stanford. Two are not Power 5 schools, Cal St Bakersfield and Cal St Fullerton.
There are no additional transfer restrictions applied to any wrestler that transfers within the PAC 12 beyond standard NCAA transfer rules.
SEC
The SEC doesn't have a wrestling conference.
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everyone, just add him to your "ignore" list. annoyance problem solved :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
I'm ready to talk wrestling. With Nick in and Ashnault out (or less than 100%), where does that put you guys record-wise this year? Where do you finish at nationals?
As to our dual, here were the dual results last year:
Weight PSU Wrestler Opponent Result
125 Nick Suriano Brandon Paetzell WMD 16-2
133 George Carpenter Scott DelVecchio L 11-4
141 Jimmy Gulibon #6 Anthony Ashnault L 4-1
149 Zain Retherford #14 Ken Theobold WBF 5:33
157 Jason Nolf #16 John Van Brill WTF 22-4 (4:09)
165 Vincenzo Joseph Willie Scott WTF 19-3 (4:55)
174 Geno Morelli Phillip Bakuckas W 5-3
184 Bo Nickal #14 Nicholas Gravina WBF 4:22
197 Matt McCutcheon Matthew Correnti W 4-3
HWT Nick Nevills Randy Normandia WTF 24-9 (6:57)
Final score: 37-6
The potential lineups for this year look like this:
125 UR Carpenter or UR Yanovich v. #2 Suriano 0-5
133 #20 Keener v. #14 Delvechio 3-5
141 #6 Cortez v. #31 Giraldo 6-5
149 #1 Retherford v. #22 DeLuca 12-5
157 #1 Nolf v. #8 Lewis 17-5
165 #3 Joseph v. #22 van Brill 21-5
174 #3 Hall v. #22 Pagano 26-5
184 #1 Nickal v. #6 Gravina 30-5
197 #3 McCuthcheon v. #24 Mulligan 33-5
285 #5 Nevills v. UR Gross 39-5
Keener/Delvechio is likely a toss-up at this point, so if that goes the other way, that makes it 36-8.
As to our dual, here were the dual results last year:
Weight PSU Wrestler Opponent Result
125 Nick Suriano Brandon Paetzell WMD 16-2
133 George Carpenter Scott DelVecchio L 11-4
141 Jimmy Gulibon #6 Anthony Ashnault L 4-1
149 Zain Retherford #14 Ken Theobold WBF 5:33
157 Jason Nolf #16 John Van Brill WTF 22-4 (4:09)
165 Vincenzo Joseph Willie Scott WTF 19-3 (4:55)
174 Geno Morelli Phillip Bakuckas W 5-3
184 Bo Nickal #14 Nicholas Gravina WBF 4:22
197 Matt McCutcheon Matthew Correnti W 4-3
HWT Nick Nevills Randy Normandia WTF 24-9 (6:57)
Final score: 37-6
The potential lineups for this year look like this:
125 UR Carpenter or UR Yanovich v. #2 Suriano 0-5
133 #20 Keener v. #14 Delvechio 3-5
141 #6 Cortez v. #31 Giraldo 6-5
149 #1 Retherford v. #22 DeLuca 12-5
157 #1 Nolf v. #8 Lewis 17-5
165 #3 Joseph v. #22 van Brill 21-5
174 #3 Hall v. #22 Pagano 26-5
184 #1 Nickal v. #6 Gravina 30-5
197 #3 McCuthcheon v. #24 Mulligan 33-5
285 #5 Nevills v. UR Gross 39-5
Keener/Delvechio is likely a toss-up at this point, so if that goes the other way, that makes it 36-8.
No doubt you guys still spank us. You have elite talent 149 and up. If Ashnault can wrestle we might take 1st 3 but can't compete 149 and up. I could see Mulligan upsetting McCutheon only other possibility and some fight out of Gravina and Lewis but Nolf and Nickal are just too good. Also Grello might be 165 starter but won't matter.
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