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Here is the reality on "running an offense ".....

I hate to be the facts only person on the message boards, instead of generic catch phrases, but sometimes until you see something on paper, it doesn't register.

First of all.....for fans.....you simply cannot put ANY guards or wings onto the floor against elite, SEC, B1G competition and make blind or dumb statements like "Pike has to bring in new assistant coaches to run an offense"....players recruited actually do matter.

Why does this matter in terms of guards?? Because guards who can play offense AND defense with an ability to make individual plays, allows you to win or compete in games. And I have to assume that every guard recruited in the B1G or SEC, can dribble, pass, shoot and score from 3 point range BUT not always.........what's most alarming is not the 3 point %, percentages ONLY matter if there are enough attempts AND can that player taking the attempts, play defense, rebound, playmake....

Here are the number of 3s made by B1G team guards....not every guard, but the primary 3 to 4 players on each B1G roster who play meaningful games or minutes.....

Here are the total 3 pointers made by the primary guards (3 to 4 guards of all 18 teams)

Maryland 162
Wisconsin 161
OSU 152
Illinois 136*
Purdue 132
Nebraska 122
Michigan 120
Washington 119
Oregon 109
USC 106
Indiana 104
Iowa 104
PSU 102
MSU 97
UCLA 95
NW 95
Minnesota 94
RU 92

These are 3 pointers made by our primary guards ( which excludes PJ Hayes 16-48, since 9 of his 3s were in the 1st 5 games and he has not played a lot of minutes in games).

Harper 34-104
Acuff 27-69
JMike 13-38
Derkack 10-40
JWill 8-34

If you consider playing most of 5 B1G games without Dylan Harper and some games where Acuff barely played at all, the 92 3s or a threat of a 3 is impossible with JWill, JMike (whos percentage is good, but not a ton of attempts), and Derkack.....

Same limitations 2 years ago, Spencer carried the workload and very little from Mag, Mulcahy or Caleb from 3....Hyatt shot and made some but hes technically a forward and Simpson were not good either but better than Caleb and Mag.......both low volume and low percentage shooters, but very good on defense.

The notion that you can "run an offense" with sub 25 to 30% 3 point shooters like Caleb, Mag, Simpson 2 years ago and now JWill, Derkack and JMike is literally impossible.

As a comparison, the 3 primary guards at Maryland....

Gillespie 59-145 (40.6%)
Miguel 52-120 (43.33%)
Rice 51-139 (36.7%)

I can coach Maryland, Wisconsin others from my recliner at home.....but if you think playing PJ Hayes and Acuff solves the problem, if they cannot playmake on offense OR play good 1 on 1 defense, the number of 3s allowed and the shooting percentages of our opponents, goes up.

To recap, if Harper missed 1/2 PSU, MSU, Indiana etc, what offense are you running and how can you play good defense, if the players don't do both offense and defense at a B1G level??

Comes down to guards and complete guard recruiting.....which usually means $$$, NIL etc.....and having Adidas as an anchor instead of Nike, 100% kills you in recruiting the better players.....

Nike is solved and why 2024 and 2025 recruiting is getting cleaned up, but for this season, 13, 10 and 8 made 3 pointers from 3 of your 5 primary guards with 80% of the season complete, is a LOT to coach around.
I agree with much of what you say , the basic point of which is that we do not have good three-point shooters specifically ourguards. No argument from me. However your comment is that because we don’t have three point shooters that that is the reason we can’t run a solid offense. My disagreement is with the fact that because we don’t run a good offense with movement, solid screens, etc. we don’t get sufficient number of easy three-point shots. So I do think that each feeds into the other. A better run system type offense would lead to better threes, which would lead to a better percentage of made threes. I’m not disputing your fundamental point. Other teams have guards who can make difficult three-point shots. But I think the equation is more complex than you’ve made it seem. Better three point shooters would make our offense more effective and more difficult to defend. Better run offense, additionally, would give us better looks from three.

OT: NY Mets spring training thread

I don't think they will be in the six man rotation all season. I think it will be more of a swingman role, depending on off days. Maybe get 15-20 starts for the season.

I don't think you need both a swingman and a long man. I guess we'll see.

There are many things in life that I do not comprehend. One of them is why starting pitchers, who are pitching fewer innings per start than ever before, need an extra day of rest.
I'm not sure. It seems with Senga always wanting that extra rest and Holmes conversation to SP they'll be using that spot a lot. I think they will have a #6 or swing man and long man most of the year. Injuries will also take place as we know. Megill probably AAA to begin the season barring injuries.

Pike question from Media

How is it possible that this question has not been asked??? Especially after the Iowa second half…

Btw, this is coming from someone who loves Pike…

Over the years I have watched teams like Iowa, Wisky with so much motion and screens, double screens, back door cuts to get shooters open AND easy layups.
I would think it’s imperative this off season to hire someone from one of these types of teams staff and let him cook here no???”

“Before you tell me we have increased our scoring by 8 pts per game on average please don’t. Our offense is dribbling the ball one v one iso ball with ball screens and we have only increased our average because of ace and D harp hitting some tough shots (ace) and layups in traffic (harp) we simply can NOT run THIS offense next year. It seems to me that u are too loyal to whomever is running this offense.

Here is the reality on "running an offense ".....

Because it's not really helpful if the guards can't defend and Harper missed parts of 5 B1G games.

My comment is asking what offense or plays can be run over 30 to 35 games, if 3 of the primary guards play an average of almost 20 minutes per game. Is there an offense where the guards are not high volume 3 point shooters or playmakers??

We have 3 guards who can play very good defense on the ball in JWill, JMike and Derkack and they have a combined 112 3 point attempts in 25 games...

I have 31 made 3s in 25 games from 3 of the 5 primary guards, all who have to play because there has to be defense player as well.......what offense or system should be run for this??.....thats an average of just over 1 made 3 per game. Other backcourt are averaging 3 to 4 per game from the same position.

Does HC Pike want to run an offense that has the backcourt making 3-4 3s per game?
I would argue that isn't a high priority for his offense.

You seem to be assuming Derkack, JWill and Davis are holding back the "ideal HC Pike offense" with their lack of shooting ability.

That's the wrong assumption.
I would argue they actually fit the "HC Pike offense" (unfortunately) and aren't holding it back at all. They are doing exactly what HC Pike wants - prioritizing drives to the basket and creating their own shot at the rim.
It isnt a priority to move off ball and work for an open 3.

If getting 3-4 3s from your guards - you wouldn't recruit those 3.

Would Marylan or Wisconsin ever recruit sub 25% 3pt shooters as transfers?
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Here is the reality on "running an offense ".....

I don't even disagree with your main point - we do need better, more complete guards. You just have a habit of torturing data until it shows what you want, which undermines your argument.
The data is just what it is...how else should I show it?? Do you think it is dramatically better if I exclude the 5 easy games ....every team has easy or difficult OOC matchups.

Do you think Acuff has played significantly more minutes than the other 4 guards (Harper etc).....he has and has 27 3s....the trio of JMike,Derkack and JWill combined for 31 in with 43 more attempts.....but all 3 are much better on defense.
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The hypothetical is that it would. That's my whole point. All of these losses occured mostly in the offseason (and to some extent due to injuries). I'm sure an elite gameday coach could get a little bit more out of the same roster but there are people in here claiming we'd have 20 wins (already, pre Iowa!) with exactly the same roster.

That doesn't mean it's not Pike's fault it just means it's not mainly about errors that Pike is making now but rather errors that were made long ago the effects of which do not become clear until the games are played.
Half agree.

Shel: it’s not an Xs and Os failure due to coach knowledge deficit and ineptitude like some allege. He knows the game as much as any other coach.

By65: Instead, Pike’s too soft on the players. He lets them all be selfish chuckers. No accountability or shitty play guardrails. And not just this year. Players don’t learn because the coach doesn’t care.

A top tier coach wouldn’t allow that and we’d still have a shot at the NCAAs if Pappy Pike wasn’t running things.

Always a congratulatory pat on the ass when he takes players out. Rah rah rah.

No. 12 Rutgers wrestling wrapped up Big Ten Conference action with Michigan State on Friday

If this is the case, where we are losing recruits for being in the b10 and using the excuse that the b10 grind is the reason our wrestlers regressed then idk why we were even originally celebrating the move from EIWA to b10…

Yara and Bulsak went from diff conference to b10 and they seemed to do fine..
I don't think every kid has this mindset, it's just what I was told went into his decision, that all B1G teams were out. They felt the rigors of the B1G would be too much for Mehki's body and as we can see the injuries started to mount even in a lesser conference. My friend would have no reason to lie or makeup stories to me.

Here is the reality on "running an offense ".....

Why not just count the # of made threes per game period?

I think your broader point is good.
Because it's not really helpful if the guards can't defend and Harper missed parts of 5 B1G games.

My comment is asking what offense or plays can be run over 30 to 35 games, if 3 of the primary guards play an average of almost 20 minutes per game. Is there an offense where the guards are not high volume 3 point shooters or playmakers??

We have 3 guards who can play very good defense on the ball in JWill, JMike and Derkack and they have a combined 112 3 point attempts in 25 games...

I have 31 made 3s in 25 games from 3 of the 5 primary guards, all who have to play because there has to be defense player as well.......what offense or system should be run for this??.....thats an average of just over 1 made 3 per game. Other backcourt are averaging 3 to 4 per game from the same position.
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