I feel like you Rutgers fans should be extremely pleased with the direction of your wrestling club...Goodale and Pritzlaff definitely have things going in the right direction. You're a fringe top 10 team nationally, and bringing in good recruiting classes. Enjoy the success!
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Rankings are very subjective... Especially since a coaches rankings could vary greatly from a fan sites rankings... So just because a wrestler isn't in a ranking that you look at online.. Doesn't mean he isn't high up on a coaches board..
Grand Canyon just shut down their program. We need a 197/HWT, and Dan Chaid's son was available. I'm not sure if we reached out to him.
But he's got two years left, and he just committed to UNC. Maybe Goodale and Pritz were on it, I don't know. But that's a kid we desperately needed.
But he's got two years left, and he just committed to UNC. Maybe Goodale and Pritz were on it, I don't know. But that's a kid we desperately needed.
We got couple studs at those weights coming in for next year, so we probably didn't have scholly to give.
Ok, sounds reasonable, except that UNC was able to do it. Did I mention the fact that Reenan just signed with NC State. And yes, we did reach out to Reenan. If he wanted to sign with Rutgers, it would have been done.
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While the underlying point is fair, I don't understand why you would come at it from that angle. Your dislike for Goodale leads you to assume that the staff is failing to reach out to kids that we want. Do you have any basis in making that assumption?
A lot goes into who gets offered and who ultimately commits where. You cannot simply say, "a good wrestler committed elsewhere, not sure if Goodale was on it, but if he wasn't he screwed up. You need to know their scholarship situation versus ours. The 2 could be very different. You also need to know the kid, well. Certain schools may be willing to take character risks that we are not willing to take. Goodale has zero interest at this point in bringing in kids who may get in the way of the culture and work ethic he wants in the room. Even if the kid has a strong work ethic, he may simply not be a good fit for us.
Going beyond that, the biggest obstacle to our recruiting at the level you claim to be necessary is not the staff. Its the total lack of facilities (Edinboro is comparable to our situation at the CAG) and the lack of fully funded out of state scholarships. Our staff works their asses off and have built us into what is rapidly becoming THE premier eastern program. That was unthinkable 8 years ago. But if you are going to start looking across the Big Ten, and laying criticisms on our staff, you need to look if this is really apples to apples. We have made huge advances in a short time. But the jump to the top of the Big Ten is not going to happen overnight. I can't wait to see what this staff does once they have the new practice facility to sell.
Could not agree with this more!! Very well thought out post sir!! Totally hits the nail on the head
Your criticisms are misplaced. While you're entitled to your opinion, you cannot simply project your beliefs upon me. My posts speak for themselves, how you interpret them is your prerogative.
Lehigh has a Facility that is SOA, and how many EIWA titles have they won in the last 10 years. Edinboro has awful facilities, and it hasn't stopped them.
Do you go to a Restaurant, and ask the Chef about his resources, or do you simply enjoy your meal.
I'm not interested in excuses or rationalizations, just get the job done. And that's my point regardless of sport. Get the job done.
Do you actually expect people to take you seriously when you compare wrestling recruiting to eating at a restaurant?? C'mon man....
I dig what you're saying. There exists the capability to win anywhere, no matter the circumstance - poor facilities or poor financials - you can still win. And of course that's true, but it's way more the exception rather than the rule.
The real question is : do we help push our program forward by placing extremely high demands on our coaches, athletes, and supporters (your way) or is it better to maintain a very positive culture and create some sort of feel good vibe around the program?
I'm honestly not sure of the answer , but I do imagine that not every program in America should be handled the same way.
Now that I'm thinking about it .. We should absolutely increase our demand for a winner and raise the bar for this program. We are a top wrestling state and finishing outside of the top 10 should soon be a disappointment.
Nj only has a couple of major college wrestling programs while the other top wrestling states have over a handful. Let's recruit our guys and create a room that should compete with anyone in the country.
Nj only has a couple of major college wrestling programs while the other top wrestling states have over a handful. Let's recruit our guys and create a room that should compete with anyone in the country.
Last I looked were were ranked # 10 in the country in wrestling.
Regardless of sport, get the job done??? You are saying this to a top 10 team in the country? Job has been done, and is on a solid foundation for sustaining the success. Now, what do you say to our football team, bball team, etc. who don't bring in the recruiting class level not even close to this wrestling team?
sir, Im talking ncaa championship rankings
But I must ask - do you think that we can get better results if the fan base demanded more and wasn't satisfied with the current level ? Raising expectations often leads to raised performance.
Or
do you think a more patient, positive approach is the answer to RU wrestling?
(What is the New Jersey wrestler like? Does he want to be pushed and beaten with expectations like an iowa wrestler.. or does he prefer a more free style ? )
You've mistakenly hit the nail directly on the head, which is pretty amusing given your general tenor. You likely do not go to a restaurant and ask the chef about his resources , but if you go to the local pizza place, you know it isn't gonna be Scalini Fedeli. When you order a steak the the local dive bar, you know it isn't the Homestead. If you eat fast food, do you keep sending it back until you get 5 star quality? Of course not, because you know what its reasonable to expect and what isn't.
Any analysis of the success of college sports programs without realistically assessing their particular situations is similarly ridiculous. You say you want us to be Lehigh? Well unless you have a time machine, tough shit. No one is selling "winning tradition" last time I checked. Their program and its ridiculous donor base that pays for things like a brand new $4mm facility is built on those decades of tradition. I will take what we've got though, which is a program that is on the way to putting a storied program like Lehigh, even with its huge donor support, in the rearview mirror.
Saying Rutgers should be the best, and criticizing anything less than that is idiotic and pointless. No amount of bitching on an internet message board is going to turn Rutgers into Iowa or PSU. Just go buy a PSU hoodie and make yourself happy, because life is too ****in short. If you're down for Rutgers though, and want to see Rutgers climb to the top, then accept reality and put your efforts to something positive. Work to change what you can, donate what you can, and help this program take the next step.
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He's also on record as saying Goodale is a "lousy coach" and that there is "no evidence to support that he's a good one." Pay no mind.
There is no group of people more demanding of results than the coaches and the guys in the room. Every day progress is being made toward not just being the B1G champion but being the national champion team. At nationals I lost count of the number of people from the traditional power schools who made it a point to tell us what a great story Rutgers wrestling is. That included a number of Penn State folks. Anyone who questions Scott Goodale as the head coach of this program doesn't have much credibility in my book. There are many D1 programs who would take him in a heartbeat. It's not a matter of patience or settling for less when looking at the results. Enjoy the building process because it's happening with or without the doubters on board.
Satisfied is the wrong word. Acceptance of the fact that building this program into a top national power is a process that is well underway would be a better description of the core fan base sentiment.
First year in the B10, we got smoked. Everyone rationalized it, made excuses and accepted it. This year, our Seniors really stepped up. Now that they're gone, we could easily take a step back. One that might take years to fix.
Create an environment, where expectations are low, and demands are not made upon the coaching staff nor the wrestlers. Winning one or two bouts against PSU, Iowa, or tOSU. Sure it sounds good in theory. Especially if you can pack the house.
Or demand excellence.
As it stands it cost Rutgers about $1 million for the program. The State of NJ has a rabid wrestling base, and so it's not surprising that Rutgers generated 500K. Any demand in excellence will increase costs, but it also comes with an increase opportunity to generate revenue.
I suspect this is exactly what Hobbs is wrestling with. Stay the course, laid back approach, low expectations, keep cost at minimum. Hope the fans continue to support the product regardless of outcome.
It's a fascinating choice. One that cannot be made without consequence.
Great Question RuReady07, Well Done.
I figured you wouldn't have anything for me.
Anyway, as to this post... False premise. The team's goals were hight this year, and they achieved all of them except one I believe (they missed Top 15 performance at NCAA tourney). Top 10 dual ranking and 2 all americans is not low expectations. You are delusional if you think Hobbs or anyone else at Rutgers is struggling with anything concerning the wrestling program. Its one of (if not the) best programs at Rutgers. Its been turned into a sport that can pay for itself, or at least come close to it. We have the #3 recruiting class coming in.
When you say we need to "Demand Excellence" what do you mean? Can you define the "excellence" that should be demanded in your own terms? How about in the terms that you believe to be Hobbs' viewpoint of the situation, since you think he is struggling with the direction of the program.
I could shred your statements, but then I would be called a troll. So I will spare you. I like the laid back approach.
Until this guy can show there's a reason he's on here to do something other than antagonize other posters, he can take a break from posting.
Have you ever spoken with Pat Hobbs about Rutgers wrestling? Have you ever spoken with the coaches about their goals? Have you ever been to practice at the CAG and observed the intensity in the room ? You are certainly entitled to whatever opinions you may have -and I respect that -but simply put the facts don't support your premise on this issue.
Demand excellence as in when a guy doesn't win a national championship it is a disappointment. That is setting the bar very, very high and no doubt will attract the type of people that crave that sort of environment.... Or maybe it won't. Who knows ?
You are dead on correct. Talk to any of our wrestlers and you will get that exact sentiment. As Coach Goodale says "all that matters is getting your hand raised" and when he says that he doesn't mean in wrestlebacks.
I wish you would have. We are all big boys here, and you aren't nearly as smart or as clever as you apparently think you are. But thanks for going easy on me, hoss. See you around.
The Athletic department needs to figure this out. Should they invest more into the wrestling program to allow for bringing in out of state scholarships or should they keep the low investment level and hope that we can continue to win with less?
(this goes assuming that we can't recruit certain out of state wrestlers because we don't have the finances)
Unfortunatly, it seems like Title IX appears to be the biggest roadblock to bringing up the schollie levels to OOS
Hey wngarbarini or josh, just wondering has there been any talk when or if wrestling is going to get full funding for out of state tuition scholarships. I mean really B1G wrestling is top billing. With improved attendance I have to think RU can't possibly this short sighted and a timeline has at least been discussed with the coaches. Which would put us on equal footing with our conference mates. Thanks for any info.
You are both right. TItle IX is in play, but they still have to get it done. The school is looking to the donors though. At least thats what i was told.
So what does this mean we have to fund an entire new sport or just add additional dollars to already existing ones. Because if it's a totally new sport then we'll never be on equal footing. IMO Tittle 9 has done the exact opposite it was intended for. They thought schools would add women's programs, they did just the opposite eliminate men's Olympic sports.
We have 9.9 scholarships, but in state equivalents. We will have full funding for in/out of state with the Big Ten full share status. I think that is 2019-20 season? That being said, the admin has been very supportive and has told staff to get it done and get who we need on the team. Support is clearly building...we are an overnight success after eight years of learning and building on and off the mat!
Thanks for the reply Josh sounds good. I knew they would try and put wrestling on an equal footing with other B1G programs eventually. Now we just need to get shovels in the ground on that training complex.
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