I don't even want to discuss Simpson because I feel it isn't fair to the kid. Even during his stretches of good play his game looks out of control to me. Davis has had more composure from the very first game..
Any potential of Simpson becoming the next Baker has ended.
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Your numbers are crazy town - saying Simpson is capable of shooting 70% from 2 Pt. because he shoots uncontested free throws at 80%??? NO! Best NBA FG% shooter is barely over 70% and then there are 6 behind him who are in the 60s - everyone else in the NBA is in the 50s and below. This isn't even taking into account these are all big men who get pretty much all of their points a couple feet from the rim and on dunks. Simpson is a skinny guard and not getting a good portion of his points on open dunks. You are WAY off and completely unrealistic on your 2Pt FG% projections for a guard.
Can't be too hard on people everyone isn't a basketball junkie but yeah no one shoots 70% on jump shots lol
Stop it. The 2022 Gavin who was a fictional player playing in HS would have made all 14 too.
I will say this over and over playing offense in a heart rate zone 20-30 BPM changes everything! Gavin, Dylan and Ace are taking off on defense and exerting little energy. That changes when you play for RU.
Simpson and Fernandes are both not shooting well enough to win games in the B1G. You combine that with the rebounding problems, and you can see why Wake, Illinois, and MSU were 10+ losses.
RU beat SHU because Fernandes shot the ball well and the rebounding was close.
RU beat SHU because Fernandes shot the ball well and the rebounding was close.
There is so much wrong with this.
First, a mid-range shot is in no way the same as a free throw, which is a set shot under controlled conditions that you can take at your own pace.
Second, the shots Simpson was taking were 15-18 feet, not 10 feet.
Third, no one, not even the best professional basketball players in the world, shoot 70% from the mid-range. That's a complete fantasy.
Fourth, the mid-range is open for a reason. Teams WANT you to take mid-range jumpers, which is why it is less guarded. That shot will almost always be available - which is why it's generally only taken later in the shot clock when other options have been closed off, not early in the shot clock as a first option. For good shooters, a 22 ft shot is not significantly lower in % than a 15-18 foot shot, but it is worth 50% more points. By contrast, a 5 foot shot is worth the same as a 15-18 foot shot, but is a much higher %.
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There's a reason why the kid was not highly rated. Stars aren't everything, but they do mean something. Needs to transfer to a lower-tier DI school.
Goru,
Last 2 games Dylan Harper 19-49 from field and 0-13 from 3. He isnt a NBA jam guy that never misses.
Last 2 games Dylan Harper 19-49 from field and 0-13 from 3. He isnt a NBA jam guy that never misses.
Nah Geo could get hot and was usually money on his step back
You are from Missouri . Okay. If you cannot see the difference on tape of Dylan and Ace compared to Gavin’s tape , then you need your eyes checked . Gavin is overwhelmed at some of the stuff he has seen. Dylan and Ace will dominant what they will see. You of all people will be marveling of how smart and good a passer Dylan is and scratching your head and saying there is the Gavin shooting we saw in high school. Dylan , Ace , Lathan will make everybody better because they have complete games. Not one thing they do well but 5 things they do well.
Generally agree but last night Simpson had crazy good looks even from 3 and he just couldn’t knock em down. At some point you need to make shots. We had tons of good looks and it was brick city. Bigger issue is rebounding though. You can’t get out rebounded by 15 a game and expect to win.
He’s just not a big ten starter. He’s a bench player.. great speed and can shoot free throws.
oh absolutely. if you look over his game by game stats , especially the last two years you will find inconsistency. That's all. No hate. Especially given his fine post career commitment to Rutgers. Good man.
I'm not necessarily taking issue with your point, but for the sake of accuracy, you left out a game in between the two games you used stats from.
After shooting 11-17 FG , 4-8 3PT, and 2-2 FT in the win over McEachern on Tuesday, Dylan didn't shoot well in Bosco's close loss to City of Palms Tournament runner up Long Island Lutheran on Wednesday (7-25 FG, 0-7 3PT 10-13FT, which you included), (and whether it affected him or not, he was having some issues with his leg), but then in Bosco's win over Christopher Columbus and the Boozer twins (the game you skipped) he shot 12-23 FG, 4-8 3PT, 10-10 FT. Then in Bosco's final win over IMG Academy which you included, he shot 12-24 FG, 0-6 3PT, 9-11 FT.
So just to be accurate, in his last 2 games he actually shot 24-47 FG (not 19-49), 4-14 3PT (not 0-13) and 19-21 FT.
thats a bad mistake in presentation of stats. thanks for pointing it out and i will take a lap.
There will never be another Geo much like there will never be another RHJ, Myles Johnson, Mathis, etc.
They’re all individuals on their own path.
Didn’t Geo bulk up quite a bit after his freshman year? Simpson doesn’t appear like he added any weight.
They’re all individuals on their own path.
Didn’t Geo bulk up quite a bit after his freshman year? Simpson doesn’t appear like he added any weight.
Read again - I didn't say from two point range. He'll never shoot 70% from two point range. I'm not talking about his layups that are often contested. I'm only talking about when he breaks down his defender and gets that wide open 8-10 foot jump shot in the lane. He's capable of hitting that at a 70% clip. That shot is almost never contested.
70% is way too high, not a realistic percentage for him on a wide open 8-10 foot jump shot in the lane. I disagree, he’s not capable of 70%. Maybe later in his career if he improves, but right now he is not capable of that percentage. I’ll give you maybe that he is capable of 50% or so right now, but not 70%. His shot needs to improve for that to be realistic.
Dylan's Don Bosco team and Ace's McEachern team each had games on Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday of the 6 day long City of Palms Classic Tournament. Both teams finished with 3-1 records.
https://cityofpalmsclassic.com/schedule/
Still a fantasy.
Plus, he doesn't take 8-10ft shots, he takes them at 15+ at the elbow or foul line extended.
The 15-20 foot shot isn't contested because it's not much better fg% than a 3, but worth a third fewer points.
Name a player at the college or professional level who hits 70% from 15 ft.
That’s not a great comparison to me. This isn’t MLB, money doesn’t stay tied up in Dylan and Ace after they leave at the end of next year.
We also have three other guys coming in the same class as them who we would normally be super excited about in Sommerville, Dortch and Grant. Those guys will (hopefully) still be here after Dylan and Ace leave and probably become the core we build around. What remains to be seen is what we bring in to join them in 2025.
Simpson is a blossoming player who could have a good career.
Geo was a special player and as clutch as has been at RU in some time. Not fair to compare the two basketball wise. Never will be close, even after a 20+ pt game from Simpson.
Let the kid be himself. He's playing on a B10 team and should enjoy that opportunity without having it measure up to someone else.
Geo was a special player and as clutch as has been at RU in some time. Not fair to compare the two basketball wise. Never will be close, even after a 20+ pt game from Simpson.
Let the kid be himself. He's playing on a B10 team and should enjoy that opportunity without having it measure up to someone else.
Simpson is wearing Geo’s number and made the reference to Geo himself. That’s where it comes from.
Simpson has great speed.
He plays pretty good darn good D.
He is a good foul shooter.
For those reasons alone, we can’t give up on him.
He basically won the Indiana game last year as a freshman.
Thought he would have put on more muscle but he could still be an integral part this year and the next years. Do you want JMichael shooting shots end game?
He plays pretty good darn good D.
He is a good foul shooter.
For those reasons alone, we can’t give up on him.
He basically won the Indiana game last year as a freshman.
Thought he would have put on more muscle but he could still be an integral part this year and the next years. Do you want JMichael shooting shots end game?
The problem with Simpson for next season is his poor shooting. From a roster construction perspective we need guards who can shoot surrounding Dylan Ace and Gavin who the offense should be running through basically every possession
Williams reportedly isn't a shooter. Davis is TBD but probably not a sniper. Simpson is subpar at best
We need players who can knock down open shots to make teams pay when they help on Dylan and Ace. We need floor spacers to give these studs room to operate.
If Simpson is on the court, I'd just tell his man to double every time and make Simpson shoot. Every outside shot Simpson takes is a shot Dylan Ace Gavin isn't taking. That's a win for the other team
Even off the dribble... do we really want Simpson trying to get to the rim? Or the ball in Dylan Ace Gavin's hands trying to score? Can Simpson create for others better than Davis or Williams? I'd say no
Williams reportedly isn't a shooter. Davis is TBD but probably not a sniper. Simpson is subpar at best
We need players who can knock down open shots to make teams pay when they help on Dylan and Ace. We need floor spacers to give these studs room to operate.
If Simpson is on the court, I'd just tell his man to double every time and make Simpson shoot. Every outside shot Simpson takes is a shot Dylan Ace Gavin isn't taking. That's a win for the other team
Even off the dribble... do we really want Simpson trying to get to the rim? Or the ball in Dylan Ace Gavin's hands trying to score? Can Simpson create for others better than Davis or Williams? I'd say no
I’ll take my chances with JMike. He can drive very effectively and is a much better passer. I hope Simpson finds his stroke
He doesn’t need to be a shooter for ‘roster construction’ if he’s mostly a backup for Dylan. Same goes for Davis.
But yeah, neither Simpson nor Davis should be starters if DH is the PG.
We may see opening day starters of Dylan 1, Gavin 2, Ace 3, Mag 4, Lathan 5. And a bench that includes JMike, Derek, Jeremiah, Grant, Dortch, Woolf, Ogbole, and Chol.
However, I’d anticipate anywhere from one to three guys transferring, which will give Pike open schollies he can use to fill positions of need out of the portal.
However, I’d anticipate anywhere from one to three guys transferring, which will give Pike open schollies he can use to fill positions of need out of the portal.
Guard recruiting for the class of 2025 looks very good
Think we will be very “recruit “ talented in 2025-2026, but very young (soph and frosh dominates with Gavin and Jmike )
A mature Simpson helps this a lot …but I have concerns
It's very strange that one or two games haw scared the RU fans away. If there was no improvement from year to year, then I would understand the thought process.
This is based on solely the Mississippi State game and a tough loss.
What player starts their career shooting 50% from the field, 40% from 3, 80% from the line AND plays pretty good on the ball defense, 10 games or so into their sophomore season??
The last 5 games are
9-36 from the field
1-10 from 3
14 rebounds
11 assists
6 turnovers
8 steals
Almost 6PPG
23 MPG
As a 5 game sample size, I wanna believe there have been very similar sections of games in recent years, that this kinda mirrors. Whether it was Geo Baker, Montez Mathis, Jacob Young, Paul Mulcahy, Cam Spencer or anyone further back.
I also know that once we get beyond the stat line, if you get a 2 to 1 assists/TO ratio and at least a steal or 2 a game, there's upside to Simpson being on the floor.
The staff also recognizes that there are gaps within any overall backcourt and there's a reason why we recruited JaMicheal Davis and ultimately Jeremiah Williams as additional options, to go with Gavin Griffiths as backcourt. Adding Dylan Harper to that mix, gives RU plenty of options into 2024-25.
I'm not quite sure there is a better shooting option to pair with Dylan Harper, than Gavin Griffiths.....and also not sure there's a guard with some game experience at the college level, who can defend and do a little bit of everything, than Jeremiah Williams.
The gaps with the RU roster, kinda land with the front court beyond this year. I still don't know what we have in Woolfolk as a 4 or backup 5......Ogbole is ultimately a true 5......
I like Sommerville and his offense and options playing with guards like Simpson, Davis, but we need front court finishers at the forward position, beyond Ace Bailey. I feel like Dortch and Dylan Grant are athletic enough, to compliment Simpson and Davis (and Dylan Harper) when they're on the court.
Simpson is in a competitive environment and backcourt. I feel very confident that he will improve a lot between Nov-;December 2023 to Nov - Dec 2024.
This is based on solely the Mississippi State game and a tough loss.
What player starts their career shooting 50% from the field, 40% from 3, 80% from the line AND plays pretty good on the ball defense, 10 games or so into their sophomore season??
The last 5 games are
9-36 from the field
1-10 from 3
14 rebounds
11 assists
6 turnovers
8 steals
Almost 6PPG
23 MPG
As a 5 game sample size, I wanna believe there have been very similar sections of games in recent years, that this kinda mirrors. Whether it was Geo Baker, Montez Mathis, Jacob Young, Paul Mulcahy, Cam Spencer or anyone further back.
I also know that once we get beyond the stat line, if you get a 2 to 1 assists/TO ratio and at least a steal or 2 a game, there's upside to Simpson being on the floor.
The staff also recognizes that there are gaps within any overall backcourt and there's a reason why we recruited JaMicheal Davis and ultimately Jeremiah Williams as additional options, to go with Gavin Griffiths as backcourt. Adding Dylan Harper to that mix, gives RU plenty of options into 2024-25.
I'm not quite sure there is a better shooting option to pair with Dylan Harper, than Gavin Griffiths.....and also not sure there's a guard with some game experience at the college level, who can defend and do a little bit of everything, than Jeremiah Williams.
The gaps with the RU roster, kinda land with the front court beyond this year. I still don't know what we have in Woolfolk as a 4 or backup 5......Ogbole is ultimately a true 5......
I like Sommerville and his offense and options playing with guards like Simpson, Davis, but we need front court finishers at the forward position, beyond Ace Bailey. I feel like Dortch and Dylan Grant are athletic enough, to compliment Simpson and Davis (and Dylan Harper) when they're on the court.
Simpson is in a competitive environment and backcourt. I feel very confident that he will improve a lot between Nov-;December 2023 to Nov - Dec 2024.
Assuming the 40% from 3 is due to very few attempts?
To me, he’s an open court, transition game player who doesn’t have half court game strengths. Not a good passer (weak PG) and he’s not a good shooter.
I also have the sense that he’s forcing shots to keep up in the box score with Davis. Simpson seems like the most selfish player on the team, IMO.
To me, he’s an open court, transition game player who doesn’t have half court game strengths. Not a good passer (weak PG) and he’s not a good shooter.
I also have the sense that he’s forcing shots to keep up in the box score with Davis. Simpson seems like the most selfish player on the team, IMO.
Funny how some fans jump on and off players based on “what have you done for me lately” and are quick to sour on players with upside if they don’t pop right out of the gate.
The OP is already writing off Simpson as not matching Geo a handful of games into his sophomore season. First off Geo was a starter from day one who was given the keys to the car his sophomore year. He averaged 34 mpg to Simpson's 23. If you extrapolate Simpson’s mpg to match Geo’s his stats are pretty much the same. Yes Geo had a better shooting pct but Simpson is a better free throw shooter. I’m optimistic as time goes on Simpson’s shooting and overall game will continue to improve.
The OP is already writing off Simpson as not matching Geo a handful of games into his sophomore season. First off Geo was a starter from day one who was given the keys to the car his sophomore year. He averaged 34 mpg to Simpson's 23. If you extrapolate Simpson’s mpg to match Geo’s his stats are pretty much the same. Yes Geo had a better shooting pct but Simpson is a better free throw shooter. I’m optimistic as time goes on Simpson’s shooting and overall game will continue to improve.
