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All that efficiency getting rejected at the rim for the 78th time
Doesn't matter what your shooting pct is if you don't shoot. Points win games not shooting pct. Last season Paul scored in double digits in only 41% of his games averaging 30 min plus a game. Derek scored in double digits in 75% of the games he played 19 min or more.
Doesn't matter what your shooting pct is if you don't shoot.
So shooting often and less than 40% from the field is fine as long as you score? Doesn't the efficiency rate play a role in this?
Last season Paul scored in double digits in only 41% of his games averaging 30 min plus a game.
Stats alone don't tell a player's impact on a game. As a coach, my staff (football) made a point to acknowledge 'non-stats' as impactful as recorded stats. Their impact can determine the game's outcome just as much as other stats.
Derek scored in double digits in 75% of the games he played 19 min or more.
Back to efficiency rate. Simpson shot around 30+% from the field. There is a good chance that for every one shot made, the miss shots (2) could turn into points for the other team. You can't win games that way.
Are people seriously trying to argue Paul is better than Simpson offensively? Please stop.
It’s not a matter of whose “better”. When you desperately need a guy who can score in iso because you don’t have enough shooters to score consistently off ball rotations, Simpson adds a lot of value. We’re hopefully not going to be in that situation next season. Oskar isn’t going to be starting. Neither is Caleb who played for his defense. Hopefully, our halfcourt offense will be better through ball distribution since more guys will be a threat to shoot.
With line up - JY, Geo, RHJ, and MJ - I want frosh Paul as the 5th guy in that offense over frosh Derek. Basketball is not merely a sum of individual parts and we’re probably not going to play an iso style game that suits Derek next season. We did it at the end of this season because we didn’t have enough players.
You people are are going way too much about a guy who’s best attribute is flopping. The bigger role Paul has on the team the less successful they’ll be.
It's interesting to see who gets hung up on specific stats, and who is more focused on the larger picture.
Last year, Mulcahy largely made our offense go for most of the year - he wasn't usually the guy scoring the points, but he was "the straw that stirs the drink" in numerous ways. When he was off the floor, our offense fell apart for most of the season - poor ball movement, disorganization, and a lot of passing around the perimeter with empty possessions.
Simpson coming in later in the season at the PG allowed Mulcahy more freedom in the half court set, because he wasn't being asked to bring the ball up or face the fastest defender. Hoping to have Fernandes or Simpson running point with him in the point-forward role in the half court.
We'll have more flexibility with lineups and will be less reliant on a single "starting lineup". Mulcahy on the floor with two perimeter threats and Omoruyi at the rim is ideal. Assuming Griffiths is a shooter (as all reports indicate), that'd be any combo of Fernandes/Spencer/Griffiths would give Mulcahy room to operate in the post, with options to dish to either of two shooters and to Omoruyi in the paint.
Does this mean he sees 30+ minutes? I don't think so. I think we'll see five guys rotating across the 120 minutes at the 1-3 spots, without any being called on to do 30+ night-in and night-out like we had this year. Different combinations, different offensive looks, and different pressures to put on defenses. All anchored ideally by Mag/NDongo/Hyatt at the PF spot and Omoruyi/Woolfolk at the C.
Last year, Mulcahy largely made our offense go for most of the year - he wasn't usually the guy scoring the points, but he was "the straw that stirs the drink" in numerous ways. When he was off the floor, our offense fell apart for most of the season - poor ball movement, disorganization, and a lot of passing around the perimeter with empty possessions.
Simpson coming in later in the season at the PG allowed Mulcahy more freedom in the half court set, because he wasn't being asked to bring the ball up or face the fastest defender. Hoping to have Fernandes or Simpson running point with him in the point-forward role in the half court.
We'll have more flexibility with lineups and will be less reliant on a single "starting lineup". Mulcahy on the floor with two perimeter threats and Omoruyi at the rim is ideal. Assuming Griffiths is a shooter (as all reports indicate), that'd be any combo of Fernandes/Spencer/Griffiths would give Mulcahy room to operate in the post, with options to dish to either of two shooters and to Omoruyi in the paint.
Does this mean he sees 30+ minutes? I don't think so. I think we'll see five guys rotating across the 120 minutes at the 1-3 spots, without any being called on to do 30+ night-in and night-out like we had this year. Different combinations, different offensive looks, and different pressures to put on defenses. All anchored ideally by Mag/NDongo/Hyatt at the PF spot and Omoruyi/Woolfolk at the C.
No
Paul has limitations, but Simpson has his flaws too.
Simpson was bad offensively last season.
Paul was decent.
If you look at what actually happened in games last year there is no argument, it's not close.
The objective is to win each game, and hopefully win, say, at least 20 out of 31 during a regular B1G season schedule.
The problem with stats is that they homogenize everything, as though a guy shoots his average in every game or gets his average number of rebounds or assists or steals in every game.
What gets lost sometimes is when guys step up during a single game, so much so that they literally lead the team to victory THAT NIGHT.
I can think of times when a different guy made the difference for one particular game. Geo had a bunch of those, as did Ron and JY and Myles and Caleb and Paul. More recently Cam has had a few, as has Cliff and Simpson and Mag and Hyatt.
If all our eligible starters/top 7 come back, to go along with the talented new guys coming in, we’ll put enough winners on the court on any given night to lead us to the big dance again.
The problem with stats is that they homogenize everything, as though a guy shoots his average in every game or gets his average number of rebounds or assists or steals in every game.
What gets lost sometimes is when guys step up during a single game, so much so that they literally lead the team to victory THAT NIGHT.
I can think of times when a different guy made the difference for one particular game. Geo had a bunch of those, as did Ron and JY and Myles and Caleb and Paul. More recently Cam has had a few, as has Cliff and Simpson and Mag and Hyatt.
If all our eligible starters/top 7 come back, to go along with the talented new guys coming in, we’ll put enough winners on the court on any given night to lead us to the big dance again.
I dont think I've ever seen someone argue shooting percentages don't matter, only total points
Take 30 shots a game and you're guaranteed to be the best player on the team then right?
This. Paul closed the season on a rut but we have 3.5 seasons worth of data showing the things he can do. He has his flaws but there’s no question he would contribute on next year’s team.
Simpson isn’t absorbing all back up minutes 1-3. Not even close. He’s likely going to be in a spark plug role off the bench. That’s why I brought up Tez. That’s the role I see for him next season with some back up point mixed in. He’s a better handler.
I think there could also be situations where Pike would play Paul as a 4th guard against a smaller team. He did it his first few seasons occasionally.
I used to evaluate players at a lot of youth basketball tryouts. It's shocking how many people think like that.
Tons of guys I did tryouts with would have picked a guy like Simpson getting up a ton of shot and getting out of control over a guy like Cam, not doing nearly as much overall, but being much more efficient, much higher points per possession for example, almost never a bad shot etc. Bewildering.
In this discussion Paul's passing ability is not being considered - where teammate efficiency should be considered.
It’s complicated
Good take. Adding on... Last year's team was sorely lacking in players that could break down the D with the dribble. So we desperately needed what Simpson had, and Mulcahy didn't have what we needed. On a team with JY, Geo, Harper...someone like Simpson doesn't see the floor but Paul still has something to add.
This happens all the time that the most important player isn't necessarily the best player. If you only have one serviceable Big, and he's just mediocre, then he's your most important player because he's all you have.
Maybe one player is better than the other overall between PM and DS. But a much bigger factor is how each player fits into a particular team's needs. Last year's team was not well balanced.
Simpson 2022-23:
.217 from 3 - worse than everyone who played & shot 3's other than Caleb
among the worst in P5/P6 with as many attempts
.425 from 2 - worst on the team among regulars
.374 overall - worst on the team among regulars
.400 EFG% worst among regulars
2.9 assists/40 - worse than any rotation player who played guard (Paul, 6.1, Cam 3.9, Caleb 3.6)
Ortg = 96.1 - that's a measure of points produced per 100 possessions - worse than any rotation player except Caleb - for comparison Paul=104.8, Cam= 121.5
PER = 11.5 the worst among regulars - for comparison Paul 14.4, Cam 21.4
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I think if there was an update it would be posted without us having to ask
I like Simpson and think he could be good, and had a few great games last year. But I think some people on here only see those games and not the season as a whole. Watch the last 5 minutes of the Big Ten Conference game against Purdue.Simpson 2022-23:
.217 from 3 - worse than everyone who played & shot 3's other than Caleb
among the worst in P5/P6 with as many attempts
.425 from 2 - worst on the team among regulars
.374 overall - worst on the team among regulars
.400 EFG% worst among regulars
2.9 assists/40 - worse than any rotation player who played guard (Paul, 6.1, Cam 3.9, Caleb 3.6)
Ortg = 96.1 - that's a measure of points produced per 100 possessions - worse than any rotation player except Caleb - for comparison Paul=104.8, Cam= 121.5
PER = 11.5 the worst among regulars - for comparison Paul 14.4, Cam 21.4
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You mean where Simpson was the only reason we had a chance by getting us multiple extra possessions and then yes, failing to make a couple difficult layups? I saw it lol.
The only thing that matters is that you score more points than you give up.
The best metric to look at is points per possession scored and points per possession allowed.
This whole how much do they score is such 3rd grade analysis. What is a player doing on both ends of the floor as it relates to those 2 metrics
The best metric to look at is points per possession scored and points per possession allowed.
This whole how much do they score is such 3rd grade analysis. What is a player doing on both ends of the floor as it relates to those 2 metrics
All the stats I cited lead to low Points per possession scored.
The question those stats addressed was offense - pretty easy to see Simpson was a poor offensive player
Not speaking to his potential which is a whole other story where people can let their imaginations run wild
Argue? There's no argument; Paul was clearly better than Simpson was last season. As we have more scoring threats on the floor such that Paul's lack of shooting attempts becomes less of an issue, this will only become more true.
Now hopefully Simpson improves a lot.
Exactly. Simpson brought a much needed skill set. The ability to beat his man and get to the basket. So he does get bonus points for making that happen end of the season
His overall efficiency was really poor, but he is a freshman with a lot of talent. He got better end of the season. He projects to get better obviously, but he needs to actually make that happen going forward. If he develops like many think he can, he will be the underrated gem we all hope he is
If he ends up shooting in the low 20s from 3 with a low 2 percentages for his career, that won't be good enough, obviously
The argument that can be made for Simpson is the "simpson era" began game 1 of the B1G tournament. In the 3 games we put up adjusted offensive efficiency scores of
1.011
1.214 (3rd best of the year)
1.243 (2nd best of the year)
Now Simpson was 1 of 5 players that contributed and 3 is a small sample size, BUT I don't think it should be ignored.
1.011
1.214 (3rd best of the year)
1.243 (2nd best of the year)
Now Simpson was 1 of 5 players that contributed and 3 is a small sample size, BUT I don't think it should be ignored.
Not much of an argument for Simpson over Paul because Paul played 30, 36, and 40 minutes in those games.
Tempering the optimism is that we lost 2/3 and his best game was against Hofstra in an 86-88 game
The usage #s on Simpson were sky high AND the eyeball showed that Simpson was the PG. I know I argue a lot that stats often are to be trusted over the eyeball, but we all know it was a significant different in offensive reliance.
Is the argument for which one comes off the bench first behind Noah/Cam/Gavin?
I am just trying to offer an alternative POV. I think my opinion about Simpson's future is well below consensus.
Well I think there are multiple arguments going on in the thread.
It is certainly evidence (and just watching the game shows) that the position change was beneficial, at least with last year's roster. But it's not evidence (which some people, not you guys were saying) that Paul was a net negative or that Simpson was a more effective player than Paul.
Yes, sorry I was trying to be funny.
I don't understand how people watch Simpson and think what they do - like that he'd start at point.
I feel sorry for him, he's been recruited over.
