APP: Jeff Towers: Rutgers boosters firmly behind Kyle Flood

[rutgersguy1]

Pretty strong support of Flood, says other boosters on board as well. Not sure how true or not that is but he's firmly behind Flood for sure.

I thought his influence might buy Flood a last ditch effort to save himself with results through the end of the season but this sounds like much more than that. How much influence he and others have is the question. Tough balancing act as we've said before, especially with such outspoken boosters.

http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...utgers-football-boosters-kyle-flood/72955866/

 

[seels2662]

Good.

 

[B0ski]

Shocking that a guy with so much money can be so stupid. Some of his quotes are embarrassing. Just Rutgers luck for one of their top boosters to think like this.

 

[RU2055]

Is Towers a "Rutgers booster" or is he a "Flood booster"? That is the question.

 

[derleider]

Pretty strong support of Flood, says other boosters on board as well. Not sure how true or not that is but he's firmly behind Flood for sure.

I thought his influence might buy Flood a last ditch effort to save himself with results through the end of the season but this sounds like much more than that. How much influence he and others have is the question. Tough balancing act as we've said before, especially with such outspoken boosters.

http://www.app.com/story/sports/col...utgers-football-boosters-kyle-flood/72955866/

Well the good news is PSU and Michigan fans should be able to get some good discounts for next's years game.

 

[seels2662]

Shocking that a guy with so much money can be so stupid. Some of his quotes are embarrassing. Just Rutgers luck for one of their top boosters to think like this.

OMG because someone shares a different opinion than you he must be stupid? He made some very valid points. And something I have said all along. We are not going to shell out the money for a decent coach. Those are facts that the people in power have said numerous times but the posters here just seem to ignore.

 

[RBS05]

OMG because someone shares a different opinion than you he must be stupid? He made some very valid points. And something I have said all along. We are not going to shell out the money for a decent coach. Those are facts that the people in power have said numerous times but the posters here just seem to ignore.

Saying that getting rid of Flood could "set us back permanently" is monumentally stupid, sorry.

Alabama getting rid of Saban because of losing to Ole Miss could set them back permanently.

 

[RU2055]

OMG because someone shares a different opinion than you he must be stupid? He made some very valid points. And something I have said all along. We are not going to shell out the money for a decent coach. Those are facts that the people in power have said numerous times but the posters here just seem to ignore.

Hmmm, where have I seen this "Game of Thrones play" before? Oh oh oh, I remember!

Before the last game of 2013 - the USF game, there was a lot of disgruntlement towards Flood. Julie was exploring options to fire him. So what did the Flood spinsters do? They put out this rumor that the boosters are willing to put the money for a new coach - as long as the coach would be someone like Jim Tressel - KNOWING FULL WELL THAT THERE WAS NO WAY THAT WAS HAPPENING. So, what ended up happening instead? The spinsters blame everything on the assistant coaches - Prince, Wrobo, Cohen, etc. The coaches failed Flood - was the spin.

Don't worry, there will be a new spin this year.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

It's kinda ironic that a guy talking about "leadership" an executive success boasts his biggest claim to fame as marrying well.

The only big name booster that matters is Greg Brown. The rest of the handful of "big name boosters" are white noise.

The guy is protecting his access to the coach's office.

 

[Local Shill]

Always great when a top booster flat out admits that the school is cheap and doesn't care about winning:

A ‘marquee coach’ would demand a salary and buyout amount that the university is unwilling to pay,” Towers said.

PENNY WISE AND POUND FOOLISH. Just infuriating.

 

[MozRU]

 

[Virginiarufan]

This guy is a friend of Flood's.

It's really obvious when you read this. He's saying big hypothetical statements like they're facts. Making a change now will set us back years, or permanently? Prove that to me. It's not a fact.

Didn't Flood try to hire Jeff Towers? No wonder he has his support. The nightmare never ends for this football program, there's another idiot around every corner of this organization.

 

[RU4Real]

Always great when a top booster flat out admits that the school is cheap and doesn't care about winning:

A ‘marquee coach’ would demand a salary and buyout amount that the university is unwilling to pay,” Towers said.

PENNY WISE AND POUND FOOLISH. Just infuriating.

Mixed Metaphor Alert:

Towers is hanging onto the last car in the Flood train because he sees the pond getting bigger.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Saying that getting rid of Flood could "set us back permanently" is monumentally stupid, sorry.

Alabama getting rid of Saban because of losing to Ole Miss could set them back permanently.

Exactly.

If OSU and Michigan can find themselves in multiple national championship games post Woody Hayes and Bo, RU can mange 7 wins seasons under someone other than HCKF.

And if the big name boosters were worried about the PROGRAM, rather than their access to it, they would make up the $500-750k we *might* be short on getting a big name coach. We're already paying $1-1.2M. Can't convince me can't get a significant upgrade for $1.75-2.0M a year.

 

[RURM85]

"And he’s working in an institutional and public environment that is detrimental to recruiting at best – and toxic at worst.”

So true and if they're not planning to bring in a big time coach with a proven record of winning championships it really doesn't matter. The results would be similar.

 

[seels2662]

Saying that getting rid of Flood could "set us back permanently" is monumentally stupid, sorry.

Alabama getting rid of Saban because of losing to Ole Miss could set them back permanently.

So comparing the budget and support of Rutgers to Alabama is a smart statement?

 

[rutgersguy1]

It's kinda ironic that a guy talking about "leadership" an executive success boasts his biggest claim to fame as marrying well.

The only big name booster that matters is Greg Brown. The rest of the handful of "big name boosters" are white noise.

The guy is protecting his access to the coach's office.

I'm with you in that I question how big our boosters are by most athletic department standards, that includes Brown. I see some signs of improvement but it's not like we have new facilities popping up all over. I mean we're finally building our first new athletic structure in over 30 some odd years.

How much influence should they have? Should they be heard? Yes but I don't think any of them should be so influential that they should be able to big foot whoever our AD is whether it be JH or someone else. This isn't Pickens, Phil Knight, Plank, Texas billionaires or Stephen Ross etc..

 

[RUnion]

Not surprised. As I have always said, the attitude of a message board is not reflective of the full fan base on an issue like the job status of K Flood, but instead reflects the attitude of those most inclined to be dissatisfied with a situation... therefore they come flocking to the message boards whining and complaining to each other. Those who feel otherwise really don't have the proclivity to run to a message board and argue with the malcontents. And this is reflective among most of the RU fans I know and those I have run into in the Yellow lot. People I know are frustrated with loss of players and realize Flood made a mistake with the email.. but none are thinking this is a firable offense, nor is it time to pull the plug on Flood. We had a nice first year in the BIG ten and a great bowl win. Football is cyclical, and most I know realize this was going to be a drop off year even before all the loss of defensive players. Everyone expected a significant drop off in the offense with the major turnover at all those key positions (QB & Oline) and all the young talent coming in this year.... ( so what that we had Big time, receivers and running back coming back) None of those players can be effective without the core of the Oline and QB performing at a high level. And with a first year starter at QB and at multiple Oline and FB positions it was just natural to expect a drop off. And without Hamilton and all the DB's lost to their legal issues.. .well that just compounds the issues. Flood will be back. He has earned a down year in the cyclical nature of things.

 

[derleider]

Always great when a top booster flat out admits that the school is cheap and doesn't care about winning:

A ‘marquee coach’ would demand a salary and buyout amount that the university is unwilling to pay,” Towers said.

PENNY WISE AND POUND FOOLISH. Just infuriating.

He's not wrong, nor is it really an issue. We aren't hiring John Harbaugh away from the Ravens to go up against his brother. Neither are about 50 of 65 P5 schools. Even top schools get their coaches out of the ranks of current P5 assistants or hot non-P5 HCs. Texas had to hire Charlie Strong - a guy with 4 years HC experience, which could basically be summed up as, riding Teddy Bridgewater to one BCS game in a weakened Big East/AAC. Florida hired the HC from Colorado State. A&M hired the HC from Houston. And on and on.

So no - RU isnt going to pony up for Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh or anyone who is a surefire winner. But neither will most of the people we play.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I'm with you in that I question how big our boosters by most athletic department standards, that includes Brown. I see some signs of improvement but it's not like we have new facilities popping up all over. I mean we're finally building our first new athletic structure in over 30 some odd years.

How much influence should they have? Should they be heard? Yes but I don't think any of them should be so influential that they should be able to big foot whoever our AD is whether it be JH or someone else. This isn't Pickens, Phil Knight, Plank, Texas billionaires or Stephen Ross etc..

Exactly.

If a guarantee of a million bucks (not even the actual act of donating the million) allows you the ability comment on the record of the State University of NJ, we should go back to playing Lehigh.

This isn't Texas or Michigan where guys build $200M buildings and shit.

 

[RURM85]

Not surprised. As I have always said, the attitude of a message board is not reflective of the full fan base on an issue like the job status of K Flood, but instead reflects the attitude of those most inclined to be dissatisfied with a situation... therefore they come flocking to the message boards whining and complaining to each other. Those who feel otherwise really don't have the proclivity to run to a message board and argue with the malcontents. And this is reflective among most of the RU fans I know and those I have run into in the Yellow lot. People I know are frustrated with loss of players and realize Flood made a mistake with the email.. but none are thinking this is a firable offense, nor is it time to pull the plug on Flood. We had a nice first year in the BIG ten and a great bowl win. Football is cyclical, and most I know realize this was going to be a drop off year even before all the loss of defensive players. Everyone expected a significant drop off in the offense with the major turnover at all those key positions (QB & Oline) and all the young talent coming in this year.... ( so what that we had Big time, receivers and running back coming back) None of those players can be effective without the core of the Oline and QB performing at a high level. And with a first year starter at QB and at multiple Oline and FB positions it was just natural to expect a drop off. And without Hamilton and all the DB's lost to their legal issues.. .well that just compounds the issues. Flood will be back. He has earned a down year in the cyclical nature of things.

This is an excellent post

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Not surprised. As I have always said, the attitude of a message board is not reflective of the full fan base on an issue like the job status of K Flood, but instead reflects the attitude of those most inclined to be dissatisfied with a situation... therefore they come flocking to the message boards whining and complaining to each other. Those who feel otherwise really don't have the proclivity to run to a message board and argue with the malcontents. And this is reflective among most of the RU fans I know and those I have run into in the Yellow lot. People I know are frustrated with loss of players and realize Flood made a mistake with the email.. but none are thinking this is a firable offense, nor is it time to pull the plug on Flood. We had a nice first year in the BIG ten and a great bowl win. Football is cyclical, and most I know realize this was going to be a drop off year even before all the loss of defensive players. Everyone expected a significant drop off in the offense with the major turnover at all those key positions (QB & Oline) and all the young talent coming in this year.... ( so what that we had Big time, receivers and running back coming back) None of those players can be effective without the core of the Oline and QB performing at a high level. And with a first year starter at QB and at multiple Oline and FB positions it was just natural to expect a drop off. And without Hamilton and all the DB's lost to their legal issues.. .well that just compounds the issues. Flood will be back. He has earned a down year in the cyclical nature of things.

I'd suggest your circle of friends in Yellow should stick to grilling steaks and pairing their wine and cheese.

If they don't follow the program outside of Saturday afternoon, perhaps they aren't qualified to speak definitively on it?

Next time you pass the Grey Poupon over there, ask them if they think the recruiting of the past 3 seasons has been at a level that will make this year a "cyclical" blip. If they answer anything other than NO, we have our answer...

 

[RC1991]

Says the guy that Flood wanted to bring in as recruiting director or whatever the hell the position was. I would think that a good businessman would also look at performance and execution which is an area in which Flood is severely lacking and clearly continuing in the wrong direction. Sounds like his motivation may be to the effect that we won't have as much influence in the program if Flood is let go.

 

[RU#1fan]

Is Towers a "Rutgers booster" or is he a "Flood booster"? That is the question.

The guy obviously knows nothing about Football and how a leader is supposed to build a program.

 

[RBS05]

So comparing the budget and support of Rutgers to Alabama is a smart statement?

Nice try but where did I say that?

Let's take another shot at this: Towers is claiming that firing Flood now would PERMANENTLY set this program back. As in, we'll never be able to achieve...what exactly again? Clandestine library meetings with adjunct professors? Yeah that actually is a solid bet.

People overreact in sports all the time. Panicked trades, benchings, firings, etc. If Alabama was dumb enough to get rid of Saban because they have gone a whole couple of years without a championship, they would regret it for a decade because it would be highly likely that they wouldn't achieve the same success as Saban has had DESPITE their enormous budget and support. So yeah, the complete opposite of what you were trying to argue. Well done sir.

 

[TdogRU]

The logic behind "we shouldn't expect to be successful at all in comparison to big name programs on the field or in recruiting" indicates such a loser attitude. When should we expect to be successful? When flood retires at 85? 100 years from now? 150?

Why shouldn't we expect to be successful against Washington state? Should we expect to get a single top 20 player from NJ? Graber did when we had nothing. A top 40 class at this point in the recruiting cycle is nothing special. We'll probably drop 10 spots by February.

Let's lower expectations to the point where flood willingness to stay here till he's in adult diapers is his primary qualification. The decision makers in the booster community and the university hierarchy don't remember how bad it can get. 10,000 fans and an empty student section is gonna look a lot worse with the stadium expansion.

 

[MozRU]

Not surprised. As I have always said, the attitude of a message board is not reflective of the full fan base on an issue like the job status of K Flood, but instead reflects the attitude of those most inclined to be dissatisfied with a situation... therefore they come flocking to the message boards whining and complaining to each other. Those who feel otherwise really don't have the proclivity to run to a message board and argue with the malcontents. And this is reflective among most of the RU fans I know and those I have run into in the Yellow lot. People I know are frustrated with loss of players and realize Flood made a mistake with the email.. but none are thinking this is a firable offense, nor is it time to pull the plug on Flood. We had a nice first year in the BIG ten and a great bowl win. Football is cyclical, and most I know realize this was going to be a drop off year even before all the loss of defensive players. Everyone expected a significant drop off in the offense with the major turnover at all those key positions (QB & Oline) and all the young talent coming in this year.... ( so what that we had Big time, receivers and running back coming back) None of those players can be effective without the core of the Oline and QB performing at a high level. And with a first year starter at QB and at multiple Oline and FB positions it was just natural to expect a drop off. And without Hamilton and all the DB's lost to their legal issues.. .well that just compounds the issues. Flood will be back. He has earned a down year in the cyclical nature of things.

He caught lightning in a bottle last year.

Flood will produce nothing but AAC misery results. You are watching it this year. There is nothing in the pipeline in recruit to suggest otherwise.

I have been sad since I was forced not to renew my seasons after 3 kids and driving down from Boston after 15yrs. I am no longer sad. I am now glad I no longer spend money on tickets. Thank you Rutgersguy1 for this thread. It put a nail in the coffin.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Not surprised. As I have always said, the attitude of a message board is not reflective of the full fan base on an issue like the job status of K Flood, but instead reflects the attitude of those most inclined to be dissatisfied with a situation... .

I'd say you're right: the attitude of this board hasn't properly reflected that of the "full fan base." Most people I know have wanted Flood gone since early 2013. As a matter of fact, OFF of these boards, I'd say maybe 10% of the fans I know actually like Flood.

Also, re: the rest of your post, IF you really think this is just a "down year," then I guess you believe we have 3 classes FILLED with "diamonds in the rough" and aren't paying attention to the serious lack of quality depth out there right now, and if so - great, that's your opinion, you have the right - but I wanna talk to you about my new offshore betting line. :)

 

[AreYouNUTS]

nt

 

[RUnion]

Not surprised. As I have always said, the attitude of a message board is not reflective of the full fan base on an issue like the job status of K Flood, but instead reflects the attitude of those most inclined to be dissatisfied with a situation... therefore they come flocking to the message boards whining and complaining to each other. Those who feel otherwise really don't have the proclivity to run to a message board and argue with the malcontents. And this is reflective among most of the RU fans I know and those I have run into in the Yellow lot. People I know are frustrated with loss of players and realize Flood made a mistake with the email.. but none are thinking this is a firable offense, nor is it time to pull the plug on Flood. We had a nice first year in the BIG ten and a great bowl win. Football is cyclical, and most I know realize this was going to be a drop off year even before all the loss of defensive players. Everyone expected a significant drop off in the offense with the major turnover at all those key positions (QB & Oline) and all the young talent coming in this year.... ( so what that we had Big time, receivers and running back coming back) None of those players can be effective without the core of the Oline and QB performing at a high level. And with a first year starter at QB and at multiple Oline and FB positions it was just natural to expect a drop off. And without Hamilton and all the DB's lost to their legal issues.. .well that just compounds the issues. Flood will be back. He has earned a down year in the cyclical nature of things.

And right on cue... this thread just points out the reason people with the retain Flood position have no reason to come to a message board and "discuss" things. Because if you don't agree with the opinion that Flood must be fired then you must just be stupid... and then you can get showered with all the cute graphics that prove they are quick witted and oh-so-right .... They must be staring at their screens laughing out loud to themselves who hilarious they are !! It really makes me laugh that those who come on this board and see so many of their cronies on these threads agreeing with them calling for Flood to be fired are sure that 99% of the fan base want him fired. It just isn't the case. It is just common sense social behavior phenomena.

 

[RutgersUnion]

Replacing the suspended Kyle Flood as Rutgers football coach “will set the program back for years, if not permanently,” Jeff Towers – perhaps the program’s most prominent booster – told Gannett New Jersey.

So if we brought in a new coach Towers believes the program couldn't recover enough to beat the likes of Kansas and Norfolk State?

 

[RU4Real]

And right on cue... this thread just points out the reason people with the retain Flood position have no reason to come to a message board and "discuss" things. Because if you don't agree with the opinion that Flood must be fired then you must just be stupid... and then you can get showered with all the cute graphics that prove they are quick witted and oh-so-right .... They must be staring at their screens laughing out loud to themselves who hilarious they are !! It really makes me laugh that those who come on this board and see so many of their cronies on these threads agreeing with them calling for Flood to be fired are sure that 99% of the fan base want him fired. It just isn't the case. It is just common sense social behavior phenomena.

I'm not really sure what this post means and I'm certain that your last sentence isn't actually a thing.

Regardless, if you want to generalize and then point fingers, here's one for ya...

The thing the "Fire Flood" people refuse to understand is that the administration has no actual interest in either listening to your opinion or caring about the logic behind it.

This interview with Towers isn't random. His comments weren't made in a vacuum. You don't need x-ray vision to read between the lines.

Barchi isn't spending a dime on a coaching staff.

Arguing about who wants Flood fired and who doesn't is a completely pointless waste of time. PLEASE get that through your head. At this point it's an utter strawman debate. Whether you want Flood fired or I want Flood fired or NUTS wants Flood fired or nobody wants Flood fired is 100%. absolutely, guaranteed, positively irrelevant.

Barchi isn't spending a dime on a coaching staff.

 

[VirtualKnight]

The guy obviously knows nothing about Football and how a leader is supposed to build a program.

...and you do? LOL.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

And right on cue... this thread just points out the reason people with the retain Flood position have no reason to come to a message board and "discuss" things. Because if you don't agree with the opinion that Flood must be fired then you must just be stupid... and then you can get showered with all the cute graphics that prove they are quick witted and oh-so-right .... They must be staring at their screens laughing out loud to themselves who hilarious they are !! It really makes me laugh that those who come on this board and see so many of their cronies on these threads agreeing with them calling for Flood to be fired are sure that 99% of the fan base want him fired. It just isn't the case. It is just common sense social behavior phenomena.

So you think because a few Floodies who tailgate next to you, like him, that YOU'RE right? Do you not see the hypocrisy in your comments?

Union - I have no reason to lie to you - I have something 130 people on my RU athletics distro. Coming into this season I'd say there were maybe 5-8 guys who would support Flood to the bitter end, and another 15-20 who were relatively happy and wanted to see how we'd do this year, despite all the losses we took on both sides, because they felt recruiting was a lot better, the last 3 years, than our class rankings indicate. As of today, based on the 1st 4 week ON the field - if I took a poll - I'd guess I'm down to 3 guys who will support Flood to the bitter end because they still think he's a "good guy" and that we're "just young," and maybe 10-15 guys, max, who think he should get 1 more year (on top of 2015).

Now, most of these guys DO NOT post here, nor do they read here, because they either never had an interest or, over the past few years, they got tired of listening to bullshit about our recruiting woes, so they didn't fall for all the "hype" about our last 3 classes, and form their own opinions. Some played and/or coached high school ball, some played a little college ball, and is 1 is a former AA at Rutgers, but ALL have been Rutgers Football fans for, at this time, somewhere between 20 and 55 years. No joke.

It is also clearly understood that, while we have an opinion, in the grand scheme of things, we're not the decision-makers, so we can only voice our opinion(s) and hope for the best, right?

 

[MozRU]

Barchi isn't spending a dime on a coaching staff.

Barchi will get what he pays for

 

[KJ_RU]

Nice try but where did I say that?

Let's take another shot at this: Towers is claiming that firing Flood now would PERMANENTLY set this program back. As in, we'll never be able to achieve...what exactly again? Clandestine library meetings with adjunct professors? Yeah that actually is a solid bet.

People overreact in sports all the time. Panicked trades, benchings, firings, etc. If Alabama was dumb enough to get rid of Saban because they have gone a whole couple of years without a championship, they would regret it for a decade because it would be highly likely that they wouldn't achieve the same success as Saban has had DESPITE their enormous budget and support. So yeah, the complete opposite of what you were trying to argue. Well done sir.

Why in the world would anybody put Flood's name in the same sentence as Saban's. Rutgers firing Flood isn't equivalent to Alabama firing Saban, that doesn't even make sense. The fact is that Flood has already set the program back and I dont think he will become an ace recruiter or a mastermind X and O guy overnight.

The only thing Flood has going for him right now is Towers and the fact that we are cheap. I guess Towers thinks that the money he put up for Flood's salary means he owns the program.

 

[NickyNewark51]

OMG because someone shares a different opinion than you he must be stupid? He made some very valid points. And something I have said all along. We are not going to shell out the money for a decent coach. Those are facts that the people in power have said numerous times but the posters here just seem to ignore.

Either get a worthy replacement or keep the ship afloat. Pretty simple....change for its own sake is suicide.

 

[NickyNewark51]

Barchi will get what he pays for

Scary pic.

 

[MidwestKnights]

Is Towers a "Rutgers booster" or is he a "Flood booster"? That is the question.

Exactly. And are these boosters Towers talks about the gang that pooled for money for Flood last year, or are they representative of a broader set of Rutgers athletic and football supporters who have been active for years?

 

[RU4Real]

Barchi will get what he pays for

Filling those seats does nothing to pay for a coaching staff. I hope that's not the point you're making.

Again, there's no revelation here. Barchi himself has said it repeatedly - Athletics must become subsidy-free. He has indicated that he will do this by holding costs down and collecting B1G shared revenue.