Ash can grow into a good head coach
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Yeah, I see what Al is saying. Ash lost by 40 to Kansas (in football), learned from his mistakes and then lost to Buffalo (the Bulls- not the Bills) by only 30.
None of it matters if you don’t win games.
What is Al going to say when RU fires him at the end of November? Will it be:
-they erroneously fired a coach that was growing into a winner
OR
-Rutgers made the right decision and the program is inevitably going to be a winner quickly without Ash
-they erroneously fired a coach that was growing into a winner
OR
-Rutgers made the right decision and the program is inevitably going to be a winner quickly without Ash
Strength and conditioning slipped under Flood, and Rutgers was manhandled by Penn State, Michigan, and other better teams since 2015, whereas we were mostly competitive in 2014. You don’t fix issues like this overnight, but Rutgers has made steady progress and should be much better this year as S&C really kicks in.
Knight Shift:
The practice fields have everything to do with Ash, because they are pretty much a replica of what Ohio State uses. If Ash and Hobbs doesn’t identify this as an issue, we don’t have new practice fields. And how could I forget the new locker rooms, which will also enhance our recruiting prospects, as they are really nice.
Ash identified the issue and sold the solution to donors, who funded his vision, and consequently there have been more than $10 Million dollars in donor funded capital improvements, which is more than under any other football coach.
The academic success of his players can be partially attributed to the disciplined environment, that exists within the football program that facilitates academic success. There are controls in place to make sure people do what they need to do. This had slipped under Flood.
So while the players deserve most of the credit, Ash also deserves credit for enabling them to be the best they can be in the classroom.
Rivals recruiting ranking in 2018:
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2018/all-teams/football
Rivals recruiting ranking in 2019:
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2019/all-teams/football
If he starts out 3-2, it will be due to the progress he made in years 1-3. You cant appreciate a cake, till it’s fully baked. Years 1-3, we were obtaining all the ingredients. This year, we should start seeing results.
There just wasn’t enough talent to win games last year, but that’s changed this year, as we’ve brought in a strong class and can count on returning players who have since matured.
The linebackers were awful in those games, and Artur struggled. Defense couldn’t stop Kansas’ Puka Williams. Buffalos quarterback played very well, and losing Blessaun Austin to injury really hurt our pass defense, as Avery Young had to learn under fire.
Any coach in the world could identify facility upgrades that Rutgers needed. Heck the posters on this board could do that. You hire a football coach to win football games not renovate facilities. That what you have an AD and fundraising staff. Sure a coach may butter up a big donor but if the head coach is doing the heavy lifting then you have bigger issues then just coach.
Every team In country has a few players doing well academically. That an indication of nothing. You know the coach is bad if your bullet point defending him is naming two players doing well.
You claimed rival rating went up 1000 points. In reality it went up 15 points. To put that in perspective that the difference of one player being a 5.9 3 star compared to 5.8 3 star player. Which is essentially no increase.
Ah yes, returning players who weren’t talented enough last year and true freshman, 90% of whom won’t make the 2 deep.
To win games, you’ve got to be able to recruit. To recruit you’ve got to have competitive facilities. The football coach helps set the investment priority, and what’s different about Ash is that he identified the need AND convinced donors to donate the funds to fulfill the need. Not everyone on this board has the skill set to convince donors to support the cause.
Our rivals ranking went from 58 to 50, which is more than 10%. And I think our class is under-rated, but time will tell.
The two kids i itemized are doing exceptionally well, but everyone else is doing good enough.
The APR has been relatively stable the last four years, ranging from 971-973. See for yourself.
https://web3.ncaa.org/aprsearch/aprsearch
Given the expected improvement we should see, there’s not a snowballs chance in hell he’ll be gone in 6 months.
GPA has dropped to it's lowest point since 2011-12 under Ash.
Flood's teams had higher GPAs. At least the guy went out of his way to meet Dance Appreciation TAs in disguise to see if his players could do anything else to improve their grades. What has Ash done in this regard?
You want Ash to own Reggie Sutton's and Tyshon Fogg's high GPAs. You can't have it both ways:
- 2005-06: 2.574
- 2006-07: 2.676
- 2007-08: 2.747
- 2008-09: 2.677
- 2009-10: 2.669
- 2010-11: 2.743
- 2011-12: 2.813
- 2012-13: 2.914
- 2013-14: 2.951
- 2014-15: 2.926
- 2015-16: 2.837
- 2016-17: 2.783
- 2017-18: 2.800
GPAs have dropped because our players are spending more time becoming better football players. Look at the GPAs during the Schiano era.
This should payoff in a better football record this season.
And you expect people to take you seriously with these types of comments? Doing well in the classroom is exclusive of becoming a better football player; first I've heard this nonsense and it's an affront to many scholar athletes.
Playing college football is a serious commitment, which requires significant preparation to be successful. Preparation lagged under Flood, so it’s not surprising that GPAs have fallen slightly now that football commitments are occupying more of their day.
What’s your explanation for the drop in GPAs?
'paid off' with seven wins in three years and two entire seasons of No B10 wins?
Do Tell Al!
Big Ten Conference rank
Rutgers ranked last in the 7-team Big Ten East standings for the second time in three years under Ash, finishing 0-9 in league play in 2018.
Rutgers has finished 0-9, 3-6 and 0-9 in Big Ten play in Ash’s three seasons.
As for television coverage, Rutgers is basically relegated to the least desirable Saturday time slot on a weekly basis. Out of the 11 Big Ten-controlled games last season nine were designed for 12 p.m. Eastern and placed on BTN. Rutgers only had one game plucked by Fox or the ESPN family of networks — its season finale at Michigan State was on Fox.
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ROFL...with 85 scholarship players on the roster do you think that any explanation for a rise or fall in GPA is a simple response?
Many factors involved including college readiness of the freshman (just because they qualify doesn't mean they are prepared for the rigors of college), tougher classes for a certain major, etc. As we don't have access to these details it's never as simple as they are spending more/less time playing football.
Only RutgersAl would think that a drop in student-athletes GPA is a good thing. Aren't we supposed to be concerned with how well those students do after they graduate?
BTW. isn't it strange that RutgersAl first says that two excellent student performances count as Ash's achievements, and then says that it's a good thing for student GPA to be decreasing? He's just so illogical. He'll say *anything* to come off as an optimist, even if it makes no sense. If you hand RutgersAl a lemon, he will pretend it will magically transform into lemonade.
.1 reduction in gpa spread out among at least 100 kids, including walk-Ins is not material, and will not affect how kids do after they graduate. but of course, you already know that.
If you hand him a lemon he will claim it's a gold bar...lol
Blah, blah, blah.
This is a message board, not a boardroom. Simple is good enough because we’ll never have the data for more complex explanations.
I know for a fact that the kids are working harder as my sources tell me so, while you’re simply BSing.
There’s nothing wrong with celebrating academic success of individual players and a 2.8 gpa for a football team is good enough. They’re football players not rocket scientists. The reduction in gpa means nothing to me.
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I don't know when you were here, but 2.8 is hardly impressive by today's standards. These kids are going to have to go out in the world and get jobs. Poor GPAs are going to make people think they're "just football players."
I don't know when you were here, but 2.8 is hardly impressive by today's standards. These kids are going to have to go out in the world and get jobs. Poor GPAs are going to make people think they're "just football players."
Haha, I'm the one BSing...OMG people we've jumped the shark now with this last comment from Al.
So you're saying that the kids didn't work hard the last couple of years? Doesn't that reflect badly on Ash as head of the program?
.1 is *not* spread out over the entire team ( that is, it's not .1 divided by 100)' it is rather an *average* of how each student did. That means that for every kid who had the same GPA, there's a kid who dropped by .2. That's significant, especially when we are talking about students who average in the bottom half of the class.
.1 spread out among the entire team was an incorrect use of words. However, we don’t know the skew or the variability of the distribution. Did everyone drop by .1? Or were there outliers that caused the overall average to fall by .1? I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the gpas are closer to what was observed during the Schiano era. Lastly, the gpa is for all classes, so non seniors will have an opportunity to do better.
We’ve gone 1 season without winning a big 10 game. We should be able to notch at least a few big 10 wins this year.
