It’s not an excuse, it’s reality. He didn’t know what he needed to do in his first three years to be successful at Rutgers. Now he’s on the right track, imo.
Ash can grow into a good head coach
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It’s not an excuse, it’s reality. He didn’t know what he needed to do in his first three years to be successful at Rutgers. Now he’s on the right track, imo.
No one is defending our performance . Reread my post. I said we sucked at 1 and 11 . But do I have to hear every mistake he made every day. We get it bad Young OC , bad old OC , no jersey guys , blah blah I think we all know his mistakes . Can we start looking at this year and start supporting these kids on the roster ???
This year you will see signs of improvement and a pulse, at the very least.
As for prior signs of improvement:
- landing arguably the #1 incoming recruit from NJ, Stanley King, who put up exceptional numbers, 79 catches for over 1,400 yards receiving. He is an UnderArmour All American and poised to impact right away
- Penn State Game more competitive than it has been since 2014
- MSU game more competitive than any game since Rutgers joined the Big Ten
- Outdoor facilities competitive with the nations best
- Better talent/depth in the two deep
- improved Strength and Conditioning allowed team to play hard throughout the season
- defense played better the second half of the season
- landing Ahmirr Robinson, one of NJs best prospects, relatively early
- landing two talented recruits from Florida
- donation helped complete the build fund project
- successfully recruited South Jersey
- Built competitive defensive talent and depth
You're either cherry picking a few games last year such as staying close with a Michigan State team whose offense was playing their second string QB, without LJ Scott, without its main starting WR (Felton Davis) and out of position OL due to injuries, as well as, you're providing opinions without any tangible facts such as S&C is improving.
- Rutgers lost to a 3-9 Kansas team by 41 points
- Rutgers lost to a Buffalo team at home by 29 points
- Rutgers lost to a 4-8 Illinois team at home by 21 points, solidifying us as the worst team in the B1G
- 12 Straight Losses to Big Ten schools
- 2018 Total offense ranked 127 out of 129 schools
- 2018 scoring offense dead last in the country at 13.5 ppg
- Overall 2018 defense was ranked 69, however, teams didn't have to throw against us because, well, the offense couldn't score any points and they never played from behind. So they ran and Rushing defense was ranked 108 at 215 ypg
- 2019 Rivals Recruiting Rankings 12 out of 14 B1G schools (Tied with NW at 11, however, NW has a higher average player rating). The only schools to finish lower were Maryland considering they had a scandal and HC change, and Illinois who had a class size of 14
- 2019 TOS Recruiting Ranking of Dead Last, 14 out of 14 B1G schools and a ranking of 65
- Recruiting is not improving based on those rankings and especially for Linemen
The only thing you got right was more investment in infrastructure and that was the primarily the AD and generous donors. However, we're still significantly behind most of our competition, noting we're improving.
At this time, I'll sign up for the Flood years. At least he made Bowl games.
"He didn't know what he needed to do in his first three years to be successful at Rutgers?" Then he should NEVER have been hired!
That doesn’t matter now.
Nevertheless, Because of Ash’s course corrections, such as changes to staff, and changes to recruiting area focus, I now believe he is on a path to success. We should be much better this year.
Sure it matters now. It tells us how incompetent Hobbs and his bosses are. Two million per year for a coach who needs three years (by your optimistic estimate) to figure out how to coach -- unbelievable.
Rebuild are ugly. And executing a rebuild with a coach who is learning, on the job, in the toughest football conference in America, is all the more,a difficult endeavor. Last year we combined a coach who was learning with a quarterback who was learning. And the defense had linebackers who were awful. Nobody got an NFL camp free agent shot, which is quite telling. And coming off a 1 win season was going to make it challenging to recruit. So the results were not surprisingly ugly.
So The signs of regression are obvious to all.
But you stated that there were no signs of progress, which was incorrect.
- That we played more competitively against MSU and PSU, than Kansas and Buffalo, demonstrates progress.
- That we were able to land an underarmour all American is progress.
- that we landed 4 of NJ’s Top 25 recruits vs 3 in 2018, per rivals is progress, excluding Zamar Wise who likely will be headed elsewhere
https://n.rivals.com/state_rankings/2019/new_jersey
Our recruiting ranking will improve once we are able to recruit more of jerseys best, especially in the Top 10, where we landed zero. To do that, we need more wins and/or better facilities.
However everything considered, we did ok for having 1 win.
Per the rivals jersey top 25 link above
- 4 kids chose Rutgers, excluding zamar wise
- 3 kids chose Penn State
- 2 kids chose Boston College
- 2 kids chose Alabama
- 2 kids chose Notre Dame
- 1 kid chose Ohio State
- 1 kid chose VT
- 1 kid chose Duke
- 1 kid chose Stanford
- 1 kid chose Pitt
- 1 kid chose Wake Forest
- 1 kid chose Syracuse
- 1 kid chose Nebraska
- 1 kid chose UNC
- 1 kid chose UCLA
- 1 kid chose Michigan
It’s not a coincidence that jerseys best are opting for some of the best football programs in America:
Similarly, our AD needed time to figure out how to hire and manage. And he had the constraint of a minimal salary for the head coach and a relatively small salary pool for assistants.
As we all know, Hobbs was a first timer in his role, and was not equipped to make a successful hire, because he didn’t realize the importance of jersey ties and the ability to recruit Florida.
Someone like Mario Cristobal, who had coached here before, and is now the head coach at Oregon, was better suited for the job, at the time.
Nevertheless, I’m optimistic that Ash can be successful. And If Ash doesn’t pan out, Hobbs will make a better hire next time, because he’ll know what to look for.
This wasn't a rebuild when Ash took over.
Ash is trying to rebuild his own ashes.
Ridiculous.
Ash is trying to rebuild his own ashes.
Ridiculous.
You can cherry pick a recruit ranked from this state or Florida or anywhere else all you want to suit your view. The fact is in 2019 Rutgers was ranked 12 in the Rivals ranking and 14 in TOS and ESPN recruiting rankings. We have remained in the bottom pack for multiple years and the difference between Michigan/Ohio State/Penn State recruiting compared to Rutgers is night and day. When we first joined the B1G, at least our recruiting was in line with Indiana and Purdue. Now those schools have surpassed Rutgers in recruiting.
Clearly our on-field performance is a strong indicator that Ash's ability to develop players and put these players in positions to succeed is not going to bridge the gap for lower recruiting classes compared to our competitors.
You want to stick your head in the sand and believe everything is peaches and cream go right ahead.
This was a rebuild, which was exacerbated by Ash’s mistakes. That’s why Barchinsaid Ash is going to get 5 years, when he was first hired.
I don't know what you do for a living, but do you hire people who take three years to learn their job enough to do it competently? I am just retiring from academe, and I can tell you we sure don't do that. We do expect people to develop as they mature, but we sure expect them to do their jobs adequately as beginners. Hobbs had been an acting AD. He should have known how to do the job when he was hired. (Of course, he seems to have been in part a political hire, so maybe that's asking too much!)
As for salary, we had a right to expect more given the $2 million annual salary.
You are great at making excuses for people who don't deserve the benefit of excuses. I think it's wonderful to have an optimist like you on the board, but you need to temper your optimism with reality. The fact is that Barchi made a poor choice (twice!) for AD, and the AD made a poor choice of coach.
This will be my last contribution to this dialogue with you, so feel free to have the last word.
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Ash is competent with most areas of his job, but he has struggled to recruit, as had Terry Shea, Kyle Flood, Doug Graber, and Dick Anderson. The subpar aesthetics of the campus and the outdated Hale Center, are obstacles he has to overcome. Schiano was able to overcome them via the force of his personality and salesmanship. Though no one would describe Ash as a consummate salesman, his recruiting is headed in the right direction. His four classes were ranked by rivals to be 78, 43, 58, and 50. Since last year, he’s been using the right recruiting strategy. This years class is off to a solid start and could be his best yet, as long as he can make progress on the field. Things are looking up. If we don’t have a winning record this year, we should have one next year.
and who was the person who Hired Ash,and STILL HAS HIM BACK FOR ANOTHER SEASON?
Here Al,is where Ash has taken Rutgers football.
Flood had 12 wins in his last two seasons.
Ash has seven wins in 3 years including two winless B10 seasons.
NCAAF Nation
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Least Amount of Wins the last 5 years (FBS):
Kansas 9 Kent State 12 Oregon State 14 UConn 15 SJSU 16 UMass 16 UTEP 17 Texas State 17 UNLV 18 NMSU 18 Ball State 18 Rice 19 Georgia State 19 Rutgers 19 Illinois 20 SMU 20 ULM 20
RU has FOUR more wins then UCONN!!
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Here Al,is where Ash has taken Rutgers football.
Flood had 12 wins in his last two seasons.
Ash has seven wins in 3 years including two winless B10 seasons.
NCAAF Nation
@NCAAFNation247
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Least Amount of Wins the last 5 years (FBS):
Kansas 9 Kent State 12 Oregon State 14 UConn 15 SJSU 16 UMass 16 UTEP 17 Texas State 17 UNLV 18 NMSU 18 Ball State 18 Rice 19 Georgia State 19 Rutgers 19 Illinois 20 SMU 20 ULM 20
RU has FOUR more wins then UCONN!!
The Flood did a lot of damage & left the foundation badly weakened and the decision was made to reduce it to Ashes and rebuild it with proper materials.
I never heard that adage. That adage sucks.
A better philosophy is if you don’t have experience, you seek out advice and support from those that have experience, to give you good judgement. You just don’t accept bad decision-making because you don’t have experience. That is accepting failure.
Ideally, you seek out advice and support who are familiar with the lay of the land. Bill Walsh and Urban Meyer have been sought out by our coaches, but not sure how relevant their advice may have been, as they likely validated bad strategies to begin with. For someone like Urban Meyer, it would make sense for Ash to recruit Texas and Ohio. Only now, after four years of trying, we can conclude that the strategy was not right for Rutgers, as we have very little to show for our recruiting efforts. Ash got as many recruits in one year of recruiting FL, as he did in 4 years of trying to recruit Ohio. Had he been recruiting FL all along, there would have been more talent in the program.
Here Al,is where Ash has taken Rutgers football.
Flood had 12 wins in his last two seasons.
Ash has seven wins in 3 years including two winless B10 seasons.
NCAAF Nation
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Least Amount of Wins the last 5 years (FBS):
Kansas 9 Kent State 12 Oregon State 14 UConn 15 SJSU 16 UMass 16 UTEP 17 Texas State 17 UNLV 18 NMSU 18 Ball State 18 Rice 19 Georgia State 19 Rutgers 19 Illinois 20 SMU 20 ULM 20
RU has FOUR more wins then UCONN!!
Not relevant, as Flood inherited a fully stocked program, especially at quarterback.
What is relevant is that there is more talent today, than when Ash first arrived.
11 game current losing streak.
last B10 win was November 2017.
seven Wins over THREE seasons.
what a joke keeping Ash.
You have so many excuses. So much explaining. And the comment about not having developed a good backup QB being a weakness? Hilarious!!
I hate to type this, but it is so damn painful to read your relentless and lame attempts to defend Ash, Al. Too many words and excuses. And I am an optimistic person! Lol!
I'm surprised anyone even reads Al's posts anymore they are so far out there. I can always tell he is the OP as soon as i read the thread title.
I'm convinced he's either a Russian bot spreading fake news or Baghdad Bob.
It’s unfortunate that you find signs of obvious progress painful and lame.
- have you seen the new practice fields?
- have seen the new weight room?
- have you seen Hale Center since Ash took over?
- Did you note that Sutton made Deans List?
- Did you note that Tyson Fogg excelled in the classroom this year?
- Did you note that Rutgers Rivals recruiting ranking improved more than 1000 basis points?
These are tangible achievements that Ash can hang his hat on.
-Practice Fields- Ash had nothing to do with them.
-Ash had nothing to do with the new weight room.
-Again, donors were motivated because Flood was gone. Ash had nothing to do with Hale Center.
-So you are crediting Ash with Sutton's hard work?
-Same as above. Did Ash study and take the tests for Fogg?
-Show your work on recruiting ranking.
How do you explain in year 3 Ash's team getting shellacked by Buffalo and Kansas? Every year it seems to be the same thing--the team does not seem ready to play early in the season. That's on Ash.
If he starts off 3-2, in 2019, he may be showing growth.
Also, have you noticed how short Ash is?
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