They are sometimes sold online (StubHub), but more often transferred from Club members to others.
Big crowd vs. VT
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Good question. Haven't really seen anyone selling in the Yellow Lot or walking up to the entrance. I do see a few people selling outside the basketball games on occasion.
NCAA Bylaw 20.10.9.3 allows two options to count attendance for football games to satisfy FBS Football Attendance Requirements. The rules are pretty specific and quite lengthy, but here is a summary.
"Actual Attendance" is the first option to count attendance. It is basically a count of the people who walk through the gate to attend the game.
"Paid Attendance" is the second option to count attendance. It is a count of the number of tickets sold for at least 1/3 the pre-established ticket price + the number of tickets sold for less than 1/3 the pre-established ticket price and actually used for admission + a bunch of complicated rules about how to count students.
For example, let's say Rutgers has pre-established $60 as the price of a football ticket, meaning $20 is one-third the pre-established price. And let's say Rutgers has distributed tickets as follows:
You might have 40,000 fans in the stadium (15K season tickets, 8K single game, 7K BOGO, 2K basketball promo, 1K charity, 7K students), and some people who don't understand the NCAA rules might argue that only 35,000 tickets were sold. But according to NCAA rules, Paid Attendance is 50,000.
"Actual Attendance" is the first option to count attendance. It is basically a count of the people who walk through the gate to attend the game.
"Paid Attendance" is the second option to count attendance. It is a count of the number of tickets sold for at least 1/3 the pre-established ticket price + the number of tickets sold for less than 1/3 the pre-established ticket price and actually used for admission + a bunch of complicated rules about how to count students.
For example, let's say Rutgers has pre-established $60 as the price of a football ticket, meaning $20 is one-third the pre-established price. And let's say Rutgers has distributed tickets as follows:
- 20,000 Season Tickets sold at an average price of $55 per game, plus a required R Fund donation. Since $55 is more than one-third the pre-established price, all 20,000 season tickets count as paid attendance, regardless of whether they are used to enter the stadium. If 15,000 tickets are used, paid attendance is still 20,000.
- 10,000 single-game tickets sold at $60 each. All 10,000 count as paid attendance, regardless of whether they are used. If 8,000 are used, paid attendance is still 10,000.
- 10,000 single-game tickets sold as part of a buy-one-get-one promotion. Although that is 5000 pairs of tickets, there really aren't any free tickets; all the tickets are paid for as part of the promotion. The buyers are paying $60 for a pair of tickets, or $30 each. Since $30 is greater than one-third the pre-established price, all 10,000 BOGO tickets count as paid attendance, regardless of whether they are used or not. If 7,000 are used, paid attendance is still 10,000.
- 3000 tickets given at no charge to basketball season-ticket holders, of which 2000 are used to enter the stadium. Only the 2000 which are actually used count as paid attendance.
- 3000 tickets given at no charge to local charitable organizations, of which 1000 are used. Only the 1000 which are used count as paid attendance.
- 7000 students who count as paid attendance based on the student attendance rules.
You might have 40,000 fans in the stadium (15K season tickets, 8K single game, 7K BOGO, 2K basketball promo, 1K charity, 7K students), and some people who don't understand the NCAA rules might argue that only 35,000 tickets were sold. But according to NCAA rules, Paid Attendance is 50,000.
I think we can get at least 40k live bodies in the stadium for this game (ok, maybe 25k live bodies and 15k zombies who just shuffle along and make no noose other than the occasional grunt).
I’ll be there, but I gotta say it’s like pulling teeth to get people to come.
I’ll be there, but I gotta say it’s like pulling teeth to get people to come.
I think people forget there are a couple thousand people in the concourse at any given time. I still think the crowd was about 40K Saturday.
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I typically use the john twice per game and after a score as the halftime lines are too long.
I’m always surprised to see so many people walking around or even gathering in groups talking on the concourse.
Yup. Plenty of very casual fans that don’t care too much about the game. Just there to hang out or because it’s a night out, which is fine. We need all the support we can get now, so not a complaint. Just reality after 8 straight losing seasons.
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Yes, the vast majority of attendees all come from one side of the stadium. Perhaps they can relocate the merch tent and add more entrance gates?
The West Gates have both A and B and more ticket scanners that the East Gate with much less of the crowd using that entrance.
Rutgers fans don’t know how to act like college football fans.
This page is pretty old but it should get you a rough idea.
That is a great explanation. Possibly the best explanation of anything I have ever seen on these boards.
Now explain something else... anything else.
To be fair, IMO, you stay for the whole game, to watch the whole game. But that is just me.
I mean, I stayed until midway through the 4th... but I get people who left early. Boring game against a crappy opponent...
Yes it was but seats open down low and upper deck hardly filled. Hopefully Saturday is different and everyone gets in their dam seats BEFORE kick off.
Spoke to roughly 10 students (freshmen) looking for their seat location. They said they were given section 227. Told them to just go sit in student section. Looks like student section is oversubscribed and they are giving tickets to random seats throughout the stadium. This can help to explain why certain seating areas are empty.
Due to lack of funds, along with expanding the North End Zone and locker rooms, one entrance was eliminated from the plans when the stadium was expanded. That's why there's no Gate F behind Sect. 131
You explanation doesn't explain the empty sections in the upper deck corners every single game. People not showing up for whatever reason will never be the issue in the season tickets area. Sorry, you were not missed, from a crowd viewpoint,
Those areas upstairs aren't given out, sold etc to include them in the attendence number. It's just silly as everyone there and the TV audience can clearly see it is not "sold out".
Rutgers is not "dumping" thousands of tickets on Stubhub. They, like every D1 school in the country, are likely partnered with a ticket distribution company that helps to manage their secondary market. Those companies purchase the tickets upfront and re-sell them on the secondary. So yes, those tickets are in fact sold. Every single FBS school does this. It provides the them with an avenue to reach more people by posting their tickets on different secondary channels vs. just selling through their Athletics' websites.
Old habits are hard to break especially after a number of bad years.This is not a phenomenon seen only at Rutgers .Leaving in the mid 3rd-4th quarters has been around for many years even when we were still ahead. This becomes more evident when tickets are given away or discounted.
You literally just admitted that Rutgers is indeed dumping thousands of tickets on StubHub.
You literally just proved that the athletic department is playing games with attendance numbers and these "sellouts" and "attendance records" are all fake. If Rutgers just manned up and announced actual attendance, it would work out better for the school in the long run since they could show huge attendance increases once the team and fan support improve. Instead, they're just lying through their teeth and embarrassing the university by announcing phony "sellouts" that even a child can tell is a falsehood by looking at huge empty sections in the upper deck and elsewhere.
Get your act together, RU Athletics.
I take "dumping" to insinuate that Rutgers is just taking inventory they know they can't sell and posting it to Stubhub for pennies on the dollar. That is not what they're doing. Athletic departments enter into sometimes, multi-year, multi-million dollar deals with companies who in effect manage their secondary market. These companies are able to broadcast these tickets across hundreds of different channels at once, sell the tickets and ultimately turn buyer data back over to the school in order to retarget for season ticket sales. If that's "dumping thousands of tickets," then Alabama, Penn State, Texas, Ohio State dump thousands of tickets too.
Even for diehards like us, these games are ridiculously long with even lengthier TV timeouts. The repeated stoppages really zap the energy from the crowd.
It ‘s part of why we are in the B1G but yes still too long in close games or if we are getting blown out.Otherwise I rather enjoy watching us finally starting to look like we are semi competitive but we’ll see Saturday and then Jungle Jim and the boys will give us a real test. Can we make it a game?
thank you
This page is pretty old but it should get you a rough idea.
Doug - he is on his 117th or so moniker. No lie. He's an absolutely obsessed lunatic. Feel free to ask the mods about him. Guy is a complete joke.
This is a lame excuse when you realize we only need 0.5% of the NJ population to fill Shi Stadium.
Love NJ, but it's not so exciting here that even 0.5% of population can't make it to the stadium.
But sure, call Nebraska boring I guess.
To bring us back on topic, the lower bowl is nearly completely full per the ticket office map for the VT game. Only a smattering of seats left down there. Upper deck - both sides - are starting to sell at a pretty good clip too. Would not be surprised if we have a close to or actually full house in terms of folks actually in the stadium (not necessarily in seats as we know many people stand in the concourse to watch or roam at a given time...)
Don't know if it matters or means anything but we got tickets through the Scouts to sit near everyone and got put in SEC 141 - row 40.
This is the way to answer a question. Well done, sir.
Oh look who’s attacking other posters again. At least it’s not while drunk-posting during a game like usual. Either way we all know he’ll go crying to his moderator pals because this guy is the classic example of being able to dish it out but not take it.
By the way, why would any Rutgers fan promote “game watch parties” in Hoboken for home games? No wonder our attendance sucks.
