Can Flood Recruit Yes better then Schiano by the numbers

[imbazza]

year rival scout Avg
2 47 41 44
3 45 69 57 ..................... Schiano 02<>05 avg >>>58.1
4 82 45 63.5
5 69 67 68
6 42 63 52.5
7 39 28 33.5 ....................... Schiano 10Y avg >>>48.35
8 46 42 44
9 38 29 33.5 ....................... Schiano 05<>11avg >>>45.6
10 64 49 56.5
11 32 30 31
12 24 31 27.5 ....................... Flood Avg 43.5
13 45 31 38
14 57 55 56
15 53 52 52.5
You take Schiano Best year 2006 and he won with players average ranking of 58, 02 to 05
You take schiano when he turned the program around 2005 to 2011 and he had an average 45.6
You take Flood average and he is actually better then the "Golden Years" of Schiano
First the Neg-nacy say yea but flood heading in the wrong direction In part due to Julie poisoning the well in the fall of 13 by suggesting she was going fire Flood
In truth when I was at scout they come in pages of 25 so yes when Schiano go here we were page 3 then we moved into a high page 2 and we are still mid page two. We will be there until we win our way up to page 1
BTW this site still SUCKS to post a graph

 

[MoobyCow]

Are you giving Flood 2012?

 

[rutgersdave]

This is nonsense. Coaches that were actually fired recruited better than Flood and their recruits stayed.

 

[CuredbywinningRU]

Nonsense - Flood has the B1G to sell - for years all GS could sell was promises. Flood is not a closer - he gets the highly recruited guys only rarely and that won't get it done. Look at all the NJ players he's lost, let alone the out of staters. He has yet to recruit a QB out of HS with a top 75 offer (let alone a top 25 offer). Enough said.

 

[seels2662]

 

[derleider]

year rival scout Avg
2 47 41 44
3 45 69 57 ..................... Schiano 02<>05 avg >>>58.1
4 82 45 63.5
5 69 67 68
6 42 63 52.5
7 39 28 33.5 ....................... Schiano 10Y avg >>>48.35
8 46 42 44
9 38 29 33.5 ....................... Schiano 05<>11avg >>>45.6
10 64 49 56.5
11 32 30 31
12 24 31 27.5 ....................... Flood Avg 43.5
13 45 31 38
14 57 55 56
15 53 52 52.5
You take Schiano Best year 2006 and he won with players average ranking of 58, 02 to 05
You take schiano when he turned the program around 2005 to 2011 and he had an average 45.6
You take Flood average and he is actually better then the "Golden Years" of Schiano
First the Neg-nacy say yea but flood heading in the wrong direction In part due to Julie poisoning the well in the fall of 13 by suggesting she was going fire Flood
In truth when I was at scout they come in pages of 25 so yes when Schiano go here we were page 3 then we moved into a high page 2 and we are still mid page two. We will be there until we win our way up to page 1
BTW this site still SUCKS to post a graph

1. Julie never suggested she was going to fire Flood.
2. Its intellectually dishonest to give 2012 to Flood and not Schiano. And in fact basically your entire argument rests on it.
3. If you are going to count the golden years you start in 2006. The 2005 class signed before we made a bowl. In fact it was our worst class in the record - for obvious reasons - Schiano had had 4 losing seasons, including the 2004 disaster, and looked very close to being on his way out. So the real Schiano golden years in recruiting are 2006-12 - an average of 39.8. Which leaves Flood with 2013-15 - an average of 48.8.
4. Schiano was in the Big East, Flood in the Big Ten.

Sorry. I dont think Schiano was some master recruiter. He was better than average, and better than Flood is right now. And his team of recruiters seems to have found a way to make a big impact on NJ recruits that Flood didnt continue.

 

[vandalen1]

Flood has a big recruiter in 2012 and he saved that class. he deserves a lot of credit for that one.

 

[RUJMM78]

I don't care about Schiano.What matters is how Rutgers does versus schools like Penn State regarding NJ recruits.

 

[bac2therac]

I don't care about Schiano.What matters is how Rutgers does versus schools like Penn State regarding NJ recruits.

so true but people like to find excuses

as for the OP using 2012 as Floods class blows up the whole argument...its dishonest.

 

[RuSnp]

year rival scout Avg
2 47 41 44
3 45 69 57 ..................... Schiano 02<>05 avg >>>58.1
4 82 45 63.5
5 69 67 68
6 42 63 52.5
7 39 28 33.5 ....................... Schiano 10Y avg >>>48.35
8 46 42 44
9 38 29 33.5 ....................... Schiano 05<>11avg >>>45.6
10 64 49 56.5
11 32 30 31
12 24 31 27.5 ....................... Flood Avg 43.5
13 45 31 38
14 57 55 56
15 53 52 52.5
You take Schiano Best year 2006 and he won with players average ranking of 58, 02 to 05
You take schiano when he turned the program around 2005 to 2011 and he had an average 45.6
You take Flood average and he is actually better then the "Golden Years" of Schiano
First the Neg-nacy say yea but flood heading in the wrong direction In part due to Julie poisoning the well in the fall of 13 by suggesting she was going fire Flood
In truth when I was at scout they come in pages of 25 so yes when Schiano go here we were page 3 then we moved into a high page 2 and we are still mid page two. We will be there until we win our way up to page 1
BTW this site still SUCKS to post a graph

I think stats can be skewed any which way you want.

I just have some simple hypothetical questions:
1) Does Flood land Berkeley Hutchinson?
2) Does Flood flip Rikki Cook from Virginia?
3)And on the other side, does Schiano outdo Flood in the top ten in NJ since Flood took over? In other words does he grab more than Nadir Barnwell?

 

[buffalochicken21]

2012 is Schiano's class, end of story.

 

[Knight_Light]

Nonsense - Flood has the B1G to sell - for years all GS could sell was promises. Flood is not a closer - he gets the highly recruited guys only rarely and that won't get it done. Look at all the NJ players he's lost, let alone the out of staters. He has yet to recruit a QB out of HS with a top 75 offer (let alone a top 25 offer). Enough said.

RU's reputation when Schiano was trying to sell during the early years was almost nothing more than a wing and a prayer.

Flood obviously benefits greatly from what Schiano did for the program and how he built it up almost from scratch and had some good success....let alone Flood has something called BIG TEN that opens up so many more doors, much more so than "Big East" some 10-13 years ago.

Regardless who the coach is...one always hopes that the next in line does better than the one previously.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

 

[Knight Shift]

Here are a few excuses: Schiano did not have to compete against Urban Meyer, Mr. Wonderful at TTFP and now Harbaugh. IMO, Flood took a while to get his sea legs, and they were nearly cut out from underneath him after the 2013 season. 2013 was a fiasco on the field and off the field with multiple faux and real scandals like Tyree and Mike Rice. The prick to the west negatively sold this hard, and the uncertainty around Flood's status did not help recruiting. The ship appears to be righted, and things should trend up.

 

[WhiteBus]

This comparison maybe the dumbest post on here EVER!!

 

[mikefla]

I have to laugh when people say Flood cant "close the deal" with top players. You can NOT MAKE a kid come to a school that struggles to get a winning season year after year when schools like OSU, Michigan and even Penn State are in the mix. We simply do NOT have the same product to sell. Hilarious that some of you guys...most of which never played a single down of football muchless D1 football, think its the sales pitch that gets the recruit. Simply hilarious.

 

[RCTrooper]

Nonsense - Flood has the B1G to sell - for years all GS could sell was promises. Flood is not a closer - he gets the highly recruited guys only rarely and that won't get it done. Look at all the NJ players he's lost, let alone the out of staters. He has yet to recruit a QB out of HS with a top 75 offer (let alone a top 25 offer). Enough said.

+1

 

[RCTrooper]

I have to laugh when people say Flood cant "close the deal" with top players. You can NOT MAKE a kid come to a school that struggles to get a winning season year after year when schools like OSU, Michigan and even Penn State are in the mix. We simply do NOT have the same product to sell. Hilarious that some of you guys...most of which never played a single down of football muchless D1 football, think its the sales pitch that gets the recruit. Simply hilarious.

Ummmm, we had winning records 8 out the last 10 years. Oh, and somehow, GS' staff was able to do it.

 

[JQRU91]

I don't see the point of constantly making this comparison, but the easiest way to make it fair is to throw 2012 out.

 

[alex13rufan]

Flood cannot recruit

 

[alex13rufan]

And when Greg said he was leaving this would be an incredibly desirable job. I still think Rutgers is a very good job

 

[WhiteBus]

I don't see the point of constantly making this comparison, but the easiest way to make it fair is to throw 2012 out.

Flood has had the Big Ten to use in recruiting. Schiano didn't. You can't argue that. Flood is a better day game coach but if you don't have the horses there is no comparison.

 

[JQRU91]

Flood has had the Big Ten to use in recruiting. Schiano didn't. You can't argue that. Flood is a better day game coach but if you don't have the horses there is no comparison.

Not exactly sure what you're trying to say in reference to my post. What I meant was that some people want to claim the 2012 class as Schiano's and others want to call it Flood's. Just throw it out completely when comparing their recruiting classes then.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Flood has a big recruiter in 2012 and he saved that class. he deserves a lot of credit for that one.

Yeah.. credit for saving the class. But Schiano and staff deserves even more credit for that class and basing their recruitment on the value proposition of Rutgers rather than the value of playing for Schiano. Schiano's guy Pernetti had as much to do with keeping recruits as Flood did.

Schiano, also left so late that it limited recruits reaction time... as well as the time to get a replacement other than Flood. If anything, it is the 2012 recruits who should get "credit" for getting Flood the job.

If Flood were a better recruiter than Schiano no one would be starting threads trying to prove the point with statistic-based lies.

 

[RU#1fan]

Are you giving Flood 2012?

2012 was one of Schaino's best recruiting classes and was held together by Tim P.
This class was key for the success in 2014.

 

[RU#1fan]

I don't care about Schiano.What matters is how Rutgers does versus schools like Penn State regarding NJ recruits.

Flood is losing that battle big time.

 

[DaveSNJ]

And when Greg said he was leaving this would be an incredibly desirable job. I still think Rutgers is a very good job

Not really. Certainly not what it was circa 2000 but some of you guys have scarlet shades on. RU is seen as a bottom feeder big5 program.

Just because RU can put the little big 10 patch on its uni doesn't mean squat. RU still needs to prove itself on the field. Before last season only RU recruiting board subscribers thought, and only a minority at that, RU would have success - go to a bowl, any bowl.

 

[cRURah]

In America, you are generally paid in accordance with the value you bring to an organization. It's been that way for over 200 years. Schiano was paid $2.3 million. He was replaced by Flood who was paid $850k. I rest my case.

 

[imbazza]

Play with the numbers all you want
so 2012 is out not Schiano not Flood give it to Tim and my point is still proven
Schiano avg=48.3 Flood avg=48.8>
CUT it any way you want to both are high page 2 Just below 50th in recruiting.
This is Rutgers and it is more about gleam and sparkle when the OSU/Michigan/UCLA/USC come to town and until this school establishes a winning program we will loose 18 impressionable kids no matter who the coach is as the Meyers or Sabans ain't coming here. So we must always deal with being a stepping stone program. Watch our new OC He will get a HC job in 2-4 years and we will all lament when he goes but we will all be happy for him. Having Flood may not be sparkly but he is solid and a good foundation to build our program. Like his style or not he is recruiting Jersey as best any coach can.
LOOK at all the other sport teams who sweeps this state of talent no one, yes the wrestling is making head way but most big talent is still going out of state

 

[lighty]

"You take Flood average and he is actually better then the "Golden Years" of Schiano"

I would SERIOUSLY hope Flood could recruit better than the golden years of Schiano. One was recruiting for a league that had top teams bolting and was constantly under the threat of losing its BCS bowl status. The other is recruiting for one of the top conferences in the country.

No offense, but the numbers really shouldn't be this close. I WANT Flood to succeed but, so far, he hasn't found a way to leverage all of the advantages of playing in the Big Ten and that's worrisome to say the least.

 

[derleider]

Yeah.. credit for saving the class. But Schiano and staff deserves even more credit for that class and basing their recruitment on the value proposition of Rutgers rather than the value of playing for Schiano. Schiano's guy Pernetti had as much to do with keeping recruits as Flood did.

Schiano, also left so late that it limited recruits reaction time... as well as the time to get a replacement other than Flood. If anything, it is the 2012 recruits who should get "credit" for getting Flood the job.

If Flood were a better recruiter than Schiano no one would be starting threads trying to prove the point with statistic-based lies.

Play with the numbers all you want
so 2012 is out not Schiano not Flood give it to Tim and my point is still proven
Schiano avg=48.3 Flood avg=48.8>
CUT it any way you want to both are high page 2 Just below 50th in recruiting.
This is Rutgers and it is more about gleam and sparkle when the OSU/Michigan/UCLA/USC come to town and until this school establishes a winning program we will loose 18 impressionable kids no matter who the coach is as the Meyers or Sabans ain't coming here. So we must always deal with being a stepping stone program. Watch our new OC He will get a HC job in 2-4 years and we will all lament when he goes but we will all be happy for him. Having Flood may not be sparkly but he is solid and a good foundation to build our program. Like his style or not he is recruiting Jersey as best any coach can.
LOOK at all the other sport teams who sweeps this state of talent no one, yes the wrestling is making head way but most big talent is still going out of state

Yes - thats only if you still include 2005 - which was not golden age recruiting.

So if you take out Schiano's best class AND include his worst, his golden age recruiting, in the Big East, is even with Flood's. If you take out the class that happened before he started winning, and include the culmination of all of that winning - its not that close.

And its not like you can say - well Flood is improving, because as of now, hes not (although this year could change that.)

Te other sports are operating on shoe string budgets - except WBB - which not concindentally also gets good recruits. FB isnt. Its got a mid-level BCS budget.

 

[Dr. Potato]

Flood cannot recruit

 

[cRURah]

How anyone can argue that Flood is a comparable recruiter to Schiano is beyond my imagination. And I don't understand someone's motivation for making that case. I can only surmise that the "Flood is a good recruiter" camp are happy with the way things are going or are still dreaming about the Dream team 2016. That train has left the station.

 

[mal359]

Conference championships:

Schiano: 0
Flood: 1

 

[alex13rufan]

Cristobal would've killed it here. That was a mistake in negotiations on all sides involved.

If Greg were still here, he would have killed it here.

As a major head coach at a major program, you have to have a swagger and charisma. Their body language and their voice projects confidence.

Kids have to look at you and say - I want to play for this guy.

Flood sells convictions, values, Family APR ratings. It's not enough

 

[CuredbywinningRU]

How anyone can suggest Flood is a good game coach is beyond me - again 2 wins over P5 teams with a winning record in 3 years. No wins over top 25 teams- ie, none. How can anyone say he's a good game coach (or a good recruiter) - he's a top flight individual but he's not getting it done.

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[DJ Spanky]

Cristobal would've killed it here. That was a mistake in negotiations on all sides involved.

You're clueless. Cristobal walked away after accepting the offer because his wife was a Miami socialite who didn't want to leave Miami.

 

[ru-baby]

Cmon, GS would be blowing the roof off with B10 conference to recruit with.

We would be top 25 classes with some big time wow gets amongst the class. No question in my mind.

 

[cRURah]

You're clueless. Cristobal walked away after accepting the offer because his wife was a Miami socialite who didn't want to leave Miami.

if that is really true then the guy is whipped cream and I don't care how hot the wife may be.
New York socialite >>>>>>>>Miami socialite. Not even close.