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COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

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The point is alot of people got things wrong yet seemingly every post you pick out the same few to blast while leaving yourself out besides the one or 2 times...maybe if almost every post didnt blame the failure of cdc to use the whos testing you would be better off
#'s MO, post every POV so he can always go back and claim he was "right". Funny stuff!

Back to the Murphy whistleblower scandal. The letter was sent to Sweeney and Kean and highlights the panic and political motives of Murphy's decisions. They claim Murphy's main focus was to maximize media attention and not the welfare of the NJ people. Thousands died due to Murphy's incompetence.

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...demic-failures-led-to-preventable-deaths.html
 
#'s MO, post every POV so he can always go back and claim he was "right". Funny stuff!

Back to the Murphy whistleblower scandal. The letter was sent to Sweeney and Kean and highlights the panic and political motives of Murphy's decisions. They claim Murphy's main focus was to maximize media attention and not the welfare of the NJ people. Thousands died due to Murphy's incompetence.

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...demic-failures-led-to-preventable-deaths.html

That has been so obvious, he basically got a 90 day commercial for himself. The corny rhetoric is the tipoff, "data determines dates," "public health creates economic health," the daily eulogies and feigned care for the deceased, referring to his " beautiful New Jersey family," ...it's all a grand PR display for him.
 
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That has been so obvious, he basically got a 90 day commercial for himself. The corny rhetoric is the tipoff, "data determines dates," "public health creates economic health," the daily eulogies and feigned care for the deceased, referring to his " beautiful New Jersey family," ...it's all a grand PR display for him.
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And the courageous whistleblowers are starting to expose the Murphy scam.
 
Good to see the trolls are all out in force, derailing what was once a decent thread by bringing up petty things we've talked about several times. Congrats.

Go ahead and bring up my posts from late January, although it's a disservice to everyone else who reads this thread looking for useful into - I've said several times that I was wrong back then, although I always said this had the potential to be bad, depending on ultimate transmission/fatality rates. I never said anything about Trump being xenophobic either (in reference to the travel ban - he's a xenophobe of the first order for a dozen other reasons).

And I was torn on 3/3, as I suspected things were about to get bad but we had 0.0 cases in NJ on 3/3 (thanks to the CDC/Administration failure on testing), so I figured it was probably still ok to go, but that night is when my wife, son and I decided to start our quarantine, well before almost anyone else. In hindsight, now knowing there were probably a few thousand cases actually in NJ by late February, we would've started our quarantine at least 1-2 weeks earlier.

Numbers: Sadly, no good deed ever goes unpunished.

Regardless, 90% of this board appreciates all of your hard work to bring information to the community. But this thread is circling the Current Events Board toilet and sadly is no longer of all that much value.
 
From Scott Gottlieb on CNBC:

Low-level spread through the summer means a risky fall, Dr. Scott Gottlieb says

7:12 a.m. ET — What appears to be a seasonal nature of the coronavirus could prevent a spike in confirmed Covid-19 cases in the U.S. this summer, former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb said. However, if daily new cases remain as stubbornly high as they are now, it could set the country up for a nasty fall season, he said.

“I think what happens is we get low-level spread all through the summer. We don’t really see cases come down a lot. We don’t see them go up a lot, and so all the benefits of what could have been a seasonal effect kind of get washed out by the fact that we’re doing more,” he said in an interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” “We’re going to accept that, but that sets up risk for the fall.”

The U.S. continues to report nearly 20,000 new cases per day, Gottlieb said, as spread of the virus shifts from the hardest hit cities like New York and Detroit to other communities across the country. With new cases popping up all over and a still-constrained testing infrastructure, Gottlieb said the slow burn of cases could “seed” infections for another major fall outbreak. —Will Feuer
 
NJ.com has the letter. I assume they will publish it word for word very soon.


But it also doesn't mean their complaints are valid or that they have all the information on why decisions were made

You usually have no use for government employees. Does that stance change when they speak out about your opponents?

Lets see what they say before we assume they are correct. If they are it is great they came forward. It should be our expectation no matter which party is in charge and we should listen to what they say with an open mind
 
T2 did you see the letter claims that the Governor is manipulating data to open too soon

That letter might get you twisted in all sorts of knots between your its just the flu and hatred of Murphy you might not know where to turn
 
With more testing the positive tests as a % is plummeting. This virus is losing steam.
Bad choice of words. The virus has killed over 105,000 people, over 450 in 1 day in NJ and over 800 in i day in Ny. Ny has tested incredible well that most of the positives have been flushed out in combination with the lockdown and social distancing that reduced the virus and it’s positive rate. The Virus is clearly not losing steam in Brazil killing over 1100 in a day and a lot of South America countries and in Sweden. Behavior , masks, social distancing has managed to slow the spread. If you do not think a super spreader coming off a plane from Brazil or from another South American country cannot spike this virus up again, you are not paying attention.
 
But it also doesn't mean their complaints are valid or that they have all the information on why decisions were made

You usually have no use for government employees. Does that stance change when they speak out about your opponents?

Lets see what they say before we assume they are correct. If they are it is great they came forward. It should be our expectation no matter which party is in charge and we should listen to what they say with an open mind
We already know that Murphy's nursing home policy killed over 5,000 people. He also fired one whistleblower to hide the truth and now more are coming forward. This is not going to end well for Murphy.
 
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Actually Murphy tweeted out NJ is #1 now in testing per capita.

You must be kidding me. Part of NJ’s problem has been the lack of testing and the lack of quick results from testing that caused the spike. Despite having the saliva test, from Rutgers early, it couldn’t be scaled up quick enough to use effectively and I am still not sure it is available statewide. When NY was doing 25,000-30,000 tests per day , NJ was doing 5000-9000 per day. Mobile sites were closed by 10 am after 500 tests. Total failure. NY with to robust testing ramped up testing to 40,000 per day and last week 60,000-65000. NJ finally got to 20,000 in the last 5 days. It is about time . He shouldn’t be claiming any success in discussing testing. He should be discussing how and where to get the saliva test so symptomatic and asymptomatic people can be tested to further reduce the positivity rate and isolate.
 
Can we take the political crap to another board and keep this thread about science, the treatment potentials, the front line doctor accounts, and the trials and the studies that are going to make a difference so that we can get back to some semblance of normal. This is how the thread started. Keep it scientific .
 
Bad choice of words. The virus has killed over 105,000 people, over 450 in 1 day in NJ and over 800 in i day in Ny. Ny has tested incredible well that most of the positives have been flushed out in combination with the lockdown and social distancing that reduced the virus and it’s positive rate. The Virus is clearly not losing steam in Brazil killing over 1100 in a day and a lot of South America countries and in Sweden. Behavior , masks, social distancing has managed to slow the spread. If you do not think a super spreader coming off a plane from Brazil or from another South American country cannot spike this virus up again, you are not paying attention.
You aren't paying attention. I was talking about here not another hemisphere. My statement is based on facts.
 
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Bad choice of words. The virus has killed over 105,000 people, over 450 in 1 day in NJ and over 800 in i day in Ny. Ny has tested incredible well that most of the positives have been flushed out in combination with the lockdown and social distancing that reduced the virus and it’s positive rate. The Virus is clearly not losing steam in Brazil killing over 1100 in a day and a lot of South America countries and in Sweden. Behavior , masks, social distancing has managed to slow the spread. If you do not think a super spreader coming off a plane from Brazil or from another South American country cannot spike this virus up again, you are not paying attention.
In the name of Science and for the good of all mankind, I volunteer to be that lab rat...


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Cytodyn just finished conference call with Wall Street Reporters and shareholders. FDA advised them to forget about the EIND’s and finish enrolling the trials for Leronlimab.The mild/ moderate trial has 58 out of 75 enrolled . The severe/ critical trial has 51 of 390 enrolled. They have agreed to stop the mild to moderate on June 15 and unblind the results. The severe study will also be paused for results on June 30, with 14 day and 28 mortality results. They will be submitted to the FDA and approval might come swiftly. The doctor on the call , that has no vested interest in the company, called it a home run. This will change the treatment protocol in this country and around the world. We will know for sure in a month if this drug is truly a legitimate treatment for. COVID , but by June 15, how the mild to moderate patients did. This is the most positive news yet in the fight against this virus.
 
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A little more on that Missouri Great Clips. 45 out of the 140 exposed to the two positive stylists took the health dept up on its offer for a test and all 45 tested negative. It was previously reported 42 reported negative so a few more on top of that. I guess the other 95 decided not to get tested for whatever reason. All clients and stylists were reportedly wearing masks.

From the article:

Springfield-Greene County Health Department director, Clay Goddard, told Springfield City Council Monday that 45 of 140 direct contacts took the department up on an offer to be tested. He said all of those people tested negative for COVID-19.

The stylists and their clients all wore masks.

"So, that would lead me to have better evidence that certainly masking, especially from both parties, had a mitigating effect on disease spread," said Goddard.

Public health employees will continue to look more closely at the situation, he said, including the types of masks worn and how long the clients were with the hair stylists. Goddard hopes to have their research published in a peer-reviewed journal.

https://www.kbia.org/post/many-clients-great-clips-stylists-covid-19-test-negative-illness#stream/0
 
Its already here. WTF are you talking about?
Why are you confused? You stated you were not talking about South America but put your head in the sand that it can travel back here with a super spreader to respike things here.
 
A little more on that Missouri Great Clips. 45 out of the 140 exposed to the two positive stylists took the health dept up on its offer for a test and all 45 tested negative. It was previously reported 42 reported negative so a few more on top of that. I guess the other 95 decided not to get tested for whatever reason. All clients and stylists were reportedly wearing masks.

From the article:

Springfield-Greene County Health Department director, Clay Goddard, told Springfield City Council Monday that 45 of 140 direct contacts took the department up on an offer to be tested. He said all of those people tested negative for COVID-19.

The stylists and their clients all wore masks.

"So, that would lead me to have better evidence that certainly masking, especially from both parties, had a mitigating effect on disease spread," said Goddard.

Public health employees will continue to look more closely at the situation, he said, including the types of masks worn and how long the clients were with the hair stylists. Goddard hopes to have their research published in a peer-reviewed journal.

https://www.kbia.org/post/many-clients-great-clips-stylists-covid-19-test-negative-illness#stream/0
More support to have Murphy move up the opening from June 22 toJune 8. Most barbers and hair salons are already ready and have taken precautions.
 
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Why are you confused? You stated you were not talking about South America but put your head in the sand that it can travel back here with a super spreader to respike things here.
OMG. You are dumber than salt. Someday you might understand how ridiculous that statement is.
 
Things seem to be continuing to move in the right direction in these states along with the others that have opened things up.
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Great to see! Perhaps those Italian docs are right, after a while, the virus mutates into weaker and less contagious form.
 
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2020822?query=featured_home#.XtZ0LYJeTDU.twitter

I think this is the first step toward a retraction. There are concerns about the data used.

Does anyone recognize the author of this study? Yep, it is the same guy who published the HCQ study in Lancet using the same questionable database. Last week the NYT had an article that there were many scientists concerned about the data used in the HCQ study from Surgisphere.

Then boom, The Lancet issues this about HCQ study: https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/ar...n=lancet&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Now looks like both studies are going down the tubes. Mandeep is in quite deep it seems.

Here is a comment I made right when the Lancet study came out: "I hope everyone one who posted in this thread reads this below. It is my evaluation of the 96,000 study. It is most likely fraudulent or the PSM techniques they used created extreme bias."

Hey @T2Kplus10:
I was criticized here by guess who for questioning both NEJM and The Lancet.
 
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A little more on that Missouri Great Clips. 45 out of the 140 exposed to the two positive stylists took the health dept up on its offer for a test and all 45 tested negative. It was previously reported 42 reported negative so a few more on top of that. I guess the other 95 decided not to get tested for whatever reason. All clients and stylists were reportedly wearing masks.

From the article:

Springfield-Greene County Health Department director, Clay Goddard, told Springfield City Council Monday that 45 of 140 direct contacts took the department up on an offer to be tested. He said all of those people tested negative for COVID-19.

The stylists and their clients all wore masks.

"So, that would lead me to have better evidence that certainly masking, especially from both parties, had a mitigating effect on disease spread," said Goddard.

Public health employees will continue to look more closely at the situation, he said, including the types of masks worn and how long the clients were with the hair stylists. Goddard hopes to have their research published in a peer-reviewed journal.

https://www.kbia.org/post/many-clients-great-clips-stylists-covid-19-test-negative-illness#stream/0

Another confirmatory data point that masks work, especially when everyone wears them. It's simply the right thing to do if you care about your friends, family, neighbors and community. I struggle to comprehend the backlash against masks. Not wearing one is basically saying FU to everyone else.
 
Virus is losing potency quickly in U.S. Cases are still there but death rates dropping dramatically over last 4 weeks. Came in as a Cat 5 Hurricane turning into a Tropical Depression.
Just stop with ridiculous posts like this. The deaths have mostly dropped due to cases dropping, overall, which is largely due to NY/NJ cases/deaths dropping hugely, while cases/deaths in much of the rest of the country have stayed fairly level with some increasing/some decreasing. The other factor in deaths decreasing a bit more than cases, proportionally, is likely improved treatments in hospitals, particularly use of convalescent plasma, remdesivir and others, as well as better understanding of how to prevent/treat the cytokine storm. Has zero to do with the virus losing potency and no evidence that that is happening has been presented in any scientific form I know of.
 
Another confirmatory data point that masks work, especially when everyone wears them. It's simply the right thing to do if you care about your friends, family, neighbors and community. I struggle to comprehend the backlash against masks. Not wearing one is basically saying FU to everyone else.
Because social distancing is way more important and people wearing masks think they are bullet proof. Every single day many people walk up close to me and all of my associates to ask a question. Most pull their masks down to talk too. I'd rather have someone stay 6 feet or more away from me than wear a mask next to me.
I don't think this one example proves that masks were the cause of no infection. I've said for over a month now that this is a virus and it's running its cycle like all the rest. The high water mark was late March to Early April nationwide and about a week or two later in the NE. The percentages of confirmed cases has fallen off the cliff since than.
 
Virus is losing potency quickly in U.S. Cases are still there but death rates dropping dramatically over last 4 weeks. Came in as a Cat 5 Hurricane turning into a Tropical Depression.
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Good point. Nice summary of the situation! The virus is mutating into a weaker form.
 
I am hearing the Univ. Minnesota early treatment study using HCQ is being released tomorrow.
 
Just stop with ridiculous posts like this. The deaths have mostly dropped due to cases dropping, overall, which is largely due to NY/NJ cases/deaths dropping hugely, while cases/deaths in much of the rest of the country have stayed fairly level with some increasing/some decreasing. The other factor in deaths decreasing a bit more than cases, proportionally, is likely improved treatments in hospitals, particularly use of convalescent plasma, remdesivir and others, as well as better understanding of how to prevent/treat the cytokine storm. Has zero to do with the virus losing potency and no evidence that that is happening has been presented in any scientific form I know of.


Martinson is saying the studies are saying viral loads are losing their potency as time goes by.....
 
Another confirmatory data point that masks work, especially when everyone wears them. It's simply the right thing to do if you care about your friends, family, neighbors and community. I struggle to comprehend the backlash against masks. Not wearing one is basically saying FU to everyone else.


no science backs this up...you are being challenged for consistency now
 
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I am hearing the Univ. Minnesota early treatment study using HCQ is being released tomorrow.
Yep, he tweeted "tomorrow" earlier today. Let's hope it has some efficacy, although my fear is it will be equivocal, since most mildly ill patients get better without treatment, so finding statistically meaningful effect could be difficult with the study size.
 
no science backs this up...you are being challenged for consistency now
I've posted numerous studies showing masks are effective in filtering out virus-sized particles and of course, much larger virus-laden droplets, as well as a great study showing even cloth filters greatly reduce transmission in the hamster model, which is a very good respiratory model for humans (since we can't ethically test transmission in humans). That plus the fact that all of the countries that have best controlled the virus are highly compliant with wearing masks, especially in crowded locations like subways. Do I need to go find these and link them for you or are you capable of finding them on your own? Or do you somehow think these studies are flawed and if so, please elaborate, although my confidence in your ability to build a scientific rationale for your case is pretty low.
 
Just stop with ridiculous posts like this. The deaths have mostly dropped due to cases dropping, overall, which is largely due to NY/NJ cases/deaths dropping hugely, while cases/deaths in much of the rest of the country have stayed fairly level with some increasing/some decreasing. The other factor in deaths decreasing a bit more than cases, proportionally, is likely improved treatments in hospitals, particularly use of convalescent plasma, remdesivir and others, as well as better understanding of how to prevent/treat the cytokine storm. Has zero to do with the virus losing potency and no evidence that that is happening has been presented in any scientific form I know of.
I am not saying the virus is weakening, but you have to admit these world graphs do suggest it is possible:

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The daily cases worldwide are still increasing and yet the death rate is dropping significantly.
 
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