COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...

[RU848789]

I don't want to muddy this thread because there's good info, but if you look at the context in which he made the comment, he was dismissing this potential pandemic as inconsequential and nothing to worry about. I think saying this was a fair comment at this point is a stretch.

Well said. Trump said that around the same time he said 15 patients would soon go to zero, meaning he thought the virus was just going to magically go away, not that viral mutation, similar to what happened in SARS, might take place months later after 100K+ were killed, and prevent millions from being killed - and the jury is still way out on that, as the report from Italy that the virus has "weakened." Also, given that Trump has also suggested we ingest/inject bleach to get rid of the virus and that HCQ would be a "gamechanger" (which it clearly is not), would anyone actually think he had read the SARS mutation paper or even knew about it or even knew that there was a SARS?

https://www.courthousenews.com/who-undercuts-reports-of-weakened-virus-urges-america-to-stay/

 

[WhiteBus]

The positivity rates are really declining which is great news. NY which has been the leader in testing , with accurate testing,did 65,245 tests on May 27, 67341, on May 28, 61,251 on May 29, 58,444 on May 30 and 49,952 on May 31.. There new cases on May 31 were only 951 on almost 50,000 tests, or a less than 2% positivity rate. Last Friday NYC’s was only 5%. NJ which was slow to ramp up tests claims to be doing 20,000 plus tests over the last part of May. If so the last 5 days the positivity rate has gone from roughly 6.3% down to 2.5% it’s only 509 new cases. Both of these highly populated dense states being hit the worst by this virus in every way, are seeing a substantial change. Surprised and frustrated Murphy did not go further today, and open up next week June 8, and instead put outdoor dining and retail in stores to commence June 15 and hair salons and barbers June 22. Really no reason , with all of the other metrics , hospitalizations, intubation, deaths down not to go to this next phase next week. Most salons and barbers have already set up shields and plastic from the ceilings between chairs and you can text people to wait in car and come in to reduce the people inside.

With more testing the positive tests as a % is plummeting. This virus is losing steam.

 

[RU848789]

The comment stands... and looks to soon be provably true..

"It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear," - President Trump

He just repeats what experts tell him.
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I think you have a problem with context in that the comment was a small part of everything he was doing.. like shutting down traffic from China. The MSM jumped all over the move to shut traffic from China (as did you when you said the regular flu was more dangerous) and then they jump all over him the other way.. for making obvious statements like it would disappear one day.

You guys could have just understood that comment was based on how SARS disappeared and let it go.. but you couldn't help yourself... it was an opportunity for attack.

And when you guys jump all over his every little comment you just set yourselves up... and then, like now, you have to use pretzel logic to insist you were right all along... because you know.. orange man bad.

Looks to soon be provably true based on what? An angry Italian doctor when we have worldwide record numbers of cases? Please.

I also supported the travel ban from China from day one and the media/dems were split on it. It also was only slightly effective anyway, given that 800K Chinese came to the US in Dec/Jan and 2MM+ people came to NY/NJ, alone, from infected Europe through mid-March.

There's no way his statement back then was based on SARS, none. I doubt he even knew what SARS was - remember this is the man who thought we should ingest/inject bleach and touted HCQ as a cure. His lack of understanding of science is appalling. And unless he was reading scientific literature on SARS on his own, very few people back then (and nobody in the Administration that I ever heard) were talking about the virus mutating into a less virulent/transmissible form. This could be your worst attempt to defend Trump ever.

 

[rutgersguy1]

The positivity rates are really declining which is great news. NY which has been the leader in testing , with accurate testing,did 65,245 tests on May 27, 67341, on May 28, 61,251 on May 29, 58,444 on May 30 and 49,952 on May 31.. There new cases on May 31 were only 951 on almost 50,000 tests, or a less than 2% positivity rate. Last Friday NYC’s was only 5%. NJ which was slow to ramp up tests claims to be doing 20,000 plus tests over the last part of May. If so the last 5 days the positivity rate has gone from roughly 6.3% down to 2.5% it’s only 509 new cases. Both of these highly populated dense states being hit the worst by this virus in every way, are seeing a substantial change. Surprised and frustrated Murphy did not go further today, and open up next week June 8, and instead put outdoor dining and retail in stores to commence June 15 and hair salons and barbers June 22. Really no reason , with all of the other metrics , hospitalizations, intubation, deaths down not to go to this next phase next week. Most salons and barbers have already set up shields and plastic from the ceilings between chairs and you can text people to wait in car and come in to reduce the people inside.

Actually Murphy tweeted out NJ is #1 now in testing per capita.

 

[RU848789]

More on the convalescent plasma approach from last night's 60 Minutes piece on it, mostly showing interviews with doctors and patients at NJ's own Hackensack Medical Center. Still awaiting more definitive efficacy data, but these doctors, along with many others, believe that CP is safe and effective (just that how effective is not known yet). A short excerpt is below.

David Perlin: Until we have an effective vaccine we're going to take the position that we need drugs. And right now, our best drug is the one that's manufactured by those patients and those individuals who have recovered from this disease.

David Perlin is a biomedical researcher and chief scientific officer at Hackensack Meridian Health Center for Discovery and Innovation. He has traveled to hot zones around the world responding to infectious disease outbreaks, including SARS-1 and pandemic flus. He's also Dr. Donato's partner in this search for something to fight this virus.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-antibodies-blood-plasma-therapy-60-minutes-2020-05-31/

 

[RU848789]

More info for prophylactic HCQ use in India.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...us-healthcare-workers-icmr-1684112-2020-06-01

The ICMR study indicates that "simply initiating HCQ prophylaxis did not reduce the odds of acquiring Covid-19 infection among HCWs. However, with the intake of four or more maintenance doses of HCQ, the protective effect started emerging. A significant reduction of about 80 per cent in the odds of Covid-19 infection in the HCWs was identified with the intake of six or more doses of HCQ prophylaxis. This dose-response relationship added strength to the study outcomes."

"Biologically, it appears plausible that HCQ prophylaxis, before the onset of infection, may inhibit the virus from gaining a foothold," researchers said in the study.

The National Task Force for coronavirus in India recommended once a week maintenance dose for seven weeks i.e., 400 mg once every week, following the loading dose of 400 mg. Adherence to this recommended regimen is underlined by the findings of the study, researchers said.

Scientists who co-authored the study said, "It has been noticed that 4th week onwards there is a risk reduction of contracting the Covid-19 virus if the maintenance dosage is being taken as prescribed for seven weeks. Of course, this doesn't rule out the risk minimisation of those frontline workers who are treating Covid-19 patients while wearing PPEs and taking further precautions."​

Healthcare workers & SARS-CoV-2 infection in India: A case-control
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Do you really believe this study? Even Boulware was skeptical of the early results released.

 

[wisr01]

Do you really believe this study? Even Boulware was skeptical of the early results released.

That is untrue. He said he was skeptical because there was no paper or results with the press release. This was the release of the paper with the results. BTW, I thought he made that very clear, I guess you missed that fact. Comprehension must be at an all time low.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Here comes the whistleblowers! The gross incompetence of Murphy and his team directly led to thousands of deaths.

Scathing letter from health department insiders says N.J.'s pandemic failures led to ‘preventable deaths'
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...demic-failures-led-to-preventable-deaths.html

This is just the tip of the iceberg, get ready for the lawsuits!

 

[T2Kplus10]

With more testing the positive tests as a % is plummeting. This virus is losing steam.

As per the CDC, the fatality rate is down to 0.25%.

 

[wisr01]

Here comes the whistleblowers! The gross incompetence of Murphy and his team directly led to thousands of deaths.

Scathing letter from health department insiders says N.J.'s pandemic failures led to ‘preventable deaths'
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...demic-failures-led-to-preventable-deaths.html

This is just the tip of the iceberg, get ready for the lawsuits!

I wonder if it is payback for Murphy and Persichilli firing the guy (their co-worker) who leaked info to NJ.COM on their missteps.

The letter says this about the woman who needs no introduction:

“In other words, we believe the leadership failures of Commissioner Persichilli led to preventable deaths,” the letter said.

 

[RU848789]

As per the CDC, the fatality rate is down to 0.25%.

Troll post #3000. CDC predicted the overall infection fatality rate would be 0.25% - they never said it was now, since the only true IFR data we have on a population that has been tested for antibodies is New York's, where the IFR is about 1.0%, as you know (including confirmed/presumed COVID deaths and it's 0.8% if just using confirmed deaths). The other data point we have is Spain, where they've done country-wide antibody testing and their IFR is 1.2%.

 

[T2Kplus10]

I wonder if it is payback for Murphy and Persichilli firing the guy (their co-worker) who leaked info to NJ.COM on their missteps.

Very possible. Firing that guy may have motivated others to report the truth.

 

[T2Kplus10]

CDC predicted the overall infection fatality rate would be 0.25%

Thank you for agreeing with my post.
:ThumbsUp

 

[wisr01]

Very possible. Firing that guy may have motivated others to report the truth.

“In other words, we believe the leadership failures of Commissioner Persichilli led to preventable deaths,” the letter said.

Ouch...

 

[T2Kplus10]

“In other words, we believe the leadership failures of Commissioner Persichilli led to preventable deaths,” the letter said.

Ouch...

+1
It is a brutal indictment of the health commissioner and Murphy.

 

[RU848789]

That is untrue. He said he was skeptical because there was no paper or results with the press release. This was the release of the paper with the results. BTW, I thought he made that very clear, I guess you missed that fact. Comprehension must be at an all time low.

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I never said anything about data - talk about reading comprehension problems - I said "results" and clearly they announced that: "an observational prospective study of 334 healthcare workers: 248 took #HCQ prophylaxis (median 6 wks ) showed those taking HCQ prophylaxis had lower incidence of #COVID19 than those not taking HCQ." Sure sounds like a result to me. But that wasn't even what I asked - I asked whether you believed this study or not. Simple question.

 

[RUJohnny]

Here comes the whistleblowers! The gross incompetence of Murphy and his team directly led to thousands of deaths.

Scathing letter from health department insiders says N.J.'s pandemic failures led to ‘preventable deaths'
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...demic-failures-led-to-preventable-deaths.html

This is just the tip of the iceberg, get ready for the lawsuits!

They're STILL failing in LTC facilities. They reported 27 deaths today. Of course NJ won't bother breaking it out on the charts how many were in LTC vs. hospitals because they'd be embarrassed, but if you squint your eyes you could estimate that ALL of yesterday's deaths were reported from LTC facilities. Not to mention the administration made a nifty sleight of hand a couple weeks ago and shifted from sharing LTC facility deaths reported to "lab confirmed" LTC Covid deaths. Conveniently dropped nearly 1k from that number which now stands at a whopping 6,038 AKA well over HALF of all deaths in this state. And yet restaurants can't have two more weekends of limited business. Murphy is officially driving the clown car.

 

[T2Kplus10]

They're STILL failing in LTC facilities. They reported 27 deaths today. Of course NJ won't bother breaking it out on the charts how many were in LTC vs. hospitals because they'd be embarrassed, but if you squint your eyes you could estimate that ALL of yesterday's deaths were reported from LTC facilities. Not to mention the administration made a nifty sleight of hand a couple weeks ago and shifted from sharing LTC facility deaths reported to "lab confirmed" LTC Covid deaths. Conveniently dropped nearly 1k from that number which now stands at a whopping 6,038 AKA well over HALF of all deaths in this state. And yet restaurants can't have two more weekends of limited business. Murphy is officially driving the clown car.

This incompetence is criminal. Look for reports that Murphy refused to change the policy (like Cuomo did) due to politics reasons. More whistleblowers to come.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I also supported the travel ban from China from day one and the media/dems were split on it. It also was only slightly effective anyway, given that 800K Chinese came to the US in Dec/Jan and 2MM+ people came to NY/NJ, alone, from infected Europe through mid-March.

Are you going to make me re-post your comment about the flu, which was made at the time of the China travel ban, in order to make Trump look xenophobic?

 

[DanRU]

This incompetence is criminal. Look for reports that Murphy refused to change the policy (like Cuomo did) due to politics reasons. More whistleblowers to come.

Murphy lost all credibility with me when he covered up the Alvarez / Katy Brennan sex assault allegations during his campaign, then hired Alvarez then denied knowing who hired Alvarez when the allegations were made public (Our legislature still hasn't found someone who will say they hired him). People that know him say he's extremely arrogant and I don't expect he'll take any responsibility for errors made during this event.

I'm willing to cut all of these politicians slack because no one really knew what we were dealing with or what to expect but Murphy likes to say his decisions are based on "The science" while many people are beginning to question him.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Murphy lost all credibility with me when he covered up the Alvarez / Katy Brennan sex assault allegations during his campaign, then hired Alvarez then denied knowing who hired Alvarez when the allegations were made public (Our legislature still hasn't found someone who will say they hired him). People that know him say he's extremely arrogant and I don't expect he'll take any responsibility for errors made during this event.

I'm willing to cut all of these politicians slack because no one really knew what we were dealing with or what to expect but Murphy likes to say his decisions are based on "The science" while many people are beginning to question him.

+1
Excellent post.

 

[wisr01]

I never said anything about data - talk about reading comprehension problems - I said "results" and clearly they announced that: "an observational prospective study of 334 healthcare workers: 248 took #HCQ prophylaxis (median 6 wks ) showed those taking HCQ prophylaxis had lower incidence of #COVID19 than those not taking HCQ." Sure sounds like a result to me. But that wasn't even what I asked - I asked whether you believed this study or not. Simple question.

Boulware was skeptical because there was no data released. You implied he was skeptical of the early results. He was not. He was skeptical that they announced a prophylactic effect without the data published as to back it up. You just can't humble yourself and say I was freaking wrong, can you?

What you mentioned from the initial release was no proof of any effect. I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT. He made it clear he wanted the actual study data to back up the claim. How else can you explain this quote from his comment: "If you put out a press release, it is stronger when there are actually data" or this one "Skepticism is about the press release without any data."

So, yes you have comprehension issues especially when it does not fit your narrative. Just read his freaking tweets, especially when asked if his skepticism was a preview of what he is seeing in his own trial.

 

[WhiteBus]

It's funny that people think that this is still a big thing. The page has turned. Is it over, no but it is impacting hardly anyone anymore. They refuse to face facts

 

[RU-05]

It's funny that people think that this is still a big thing. The page has turned. Is it over, no but it is impacting hardly anyone anymore. They refuse to face facts

I think there are still real questions as to how much the virus would kick back up if bars and other high density indoor congregations are brought back to pre covid rates.

I think how it all looks come fall is still very much a question.

 

[RUJohnny]

I think there are still real questions as to how much the virus would kick back up if bars and other high density indoor congregations are brought back to pre covid rates.

I think how it all looks come fall is still very much a question.

Fall will be manageable for these reasons:
1. social norms have adjusted in favor of distancing and masks, remote work, better hygiene
2. mass gatherings (concerts, sporting events) still probably won't be happening.
3. mass transit will be heavily/constantly sanitized, and will be less utilized with more working remotely

Then there are two wildcards in our fsvor:
1. improved treatments
2. mutation to less transmissible or less impactful virus

 

[RU-05]

Fall will be manageable for these reasons:
1. social norms have adjusted in favor of distancing and masks, remote work, better hygiene
2. mass gatherings (concerts, sporting events) still probably won't be happening.
3. mass transit will be heavily/constantly sanitized, and will be less utilized with more working remotely

Then there are two wildcards in our fsvor:
1. improved treatments
2. mutation to less transmissible or less impactful virus

Agree, but different then "impacting hardly anyone" as said above.

 

[RU848789]

Boulware was skeptical because there was no data released. You implied he was skeptical of the early results. He was not. He was skeptical that they announced a prophylactic effect without the data published as to back it up. You just can't humble yourself and say I was freaking wrong, can you?

What you mentioned from the initial release was no proof of any effect. I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT. He made it clear he wanted the actual study data to back up the claim. How else can you explain this quote from his comment: "If you put out a press release, it is stronger when there are actually data" or this one "Skepticism is about the press release without any data."

So, yes you have comprehension issues especially when it does not fit your narrative. Just read his freaking tweets, especially when asked if his skepticism was a preview of what he is seeing in his own trial.

Nope, sorry, you're wrong - they announced the general result that HCQ prevented infections, but didn't share the specific data. You really need a lesson in the English language. And you still won't answer the question for some reason...

Edit - and here's your English lesson...

re·sult
/rəˈzəlt/

noun

1. a consequence, effect, or outcome of something.
   "the tower collapsed as a result of safety violations"

 

[RUJohnny]

Agree, but different then "impacting hardly anyone" as said above.

Well WhiteBus is right, it is impacting hardly anyone NOW, but when kids return to schools coinciding with weather/climate that are more conducive to virus spread, that could easily change.

 

[RocktheRac]

Just have a question #'s. If you saw all this coming in February what were you doing on the court at the RAC on March 3 high fiving and shaking hands with 5,000 people?

 

[T2Kplus10]

Just have a question #'s. If you saw all this coming in February what were you doing on the court at the RAC on March 3 high fiving and shaking hands with 5,000 people?

Hmm, good question. And the answer is:

 

[bac2therac]

Are you going to make me re-post your comment about the flu, which was made at the time of the China travel ban, in order to make Trump look xenophobic?

Do it

 

[bac2therac]

Just have a question #'s. If you saw all this coming in February what were you doing on the court at the RAC on March 3 high fiving and shaking hands with 5,000 people?

In January he said this was no big deal

 

[RU848789]

Are you going to make me re-post your comment about the flu, which was made at the time of the China travel ban, in order to make Trump look xenophobic?

Just have a question #'s. If you saw all this coming in February what were you doing on the court at the RAC on March 3 high fiving and shaking hands with 5,000 people?

Hmm, good question. And the answer is:

Do it

Good to see the trolls are all out in force, derailing what was once a decent thread by bringing up petty things we've talked about several times. Congrats.

Go ahead and bring up my posts from late January, although it's a disservice to everyone else who reads this thread looking for useful into - I've said several times that I was wrong back then, although I always said this had the potential to be bad, depending on ultimate transmission/fatality rates. I never said anything about Trump being xenophobic either (in reference to the travel ban - he's a xenophobe of the first order for a dozen other reasons).

And I was torn on 3/3, as I suspected things were about to get bad but we had 0.0 cases in NJ on 3/3 (thanks to the CDC/Administration failure on testing), so I figured it was probably still ok to go, but that night is when my wife, son and I decided to start our quarantine, well before almost anyone else. In hindsight, now knowing there were probably a few thousand cases actually in NJ by late February, we would've started our quarantine at least 1-2 weeks earlier.

 

[formerlyknownasrutgers100]

Here comes the whistleblowers! The gross incompetence of Murphy and his team directly led to thousands of deaths.

Scathing letter from health department insiders says N.J.'s pandemic failures led to ‘preventable deaths'
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...demic-failures-led-to-preventable-deaths.html

This is just the tip of the iceberg, get ready for the lawsuits!

It’s just the flu man as you’ve been saying for months

 

[formerlyknownasrutgers100]

+1
It is a brutal indictment of the health commissioner and Murphy.

Do trump flu bro

 

[formerlyknownasrutgers100]

This incompetence is criminal. Look for reports that Murphy refused to change the policy (like Cuomo did) due to politics reasons. More whistleblowers to come.

You complained that he was over counting deaths now you complain he’s undercounting. How much do you get paid per post ???

 

[formerlyknownasrutgers100]

Good to see the trolls are all out in force, derailing what was once a decent thread by bringing up petty things we've talked about several times. Congrats.

Go ahead and bring up my posts from late January, although it's a disservice to everyone else who reads this thread looking for useful into to waste their time - I've said several times that I was wrong back then, although I always said this had the potential to be bad, depending on ultimate transmission/fatality rates. I never said anything about Trump being xenophobic either (in reference to the travel ban - he's a xenophobe of the first order for a dozen other reasons).

And I was torn on 3/3, as I suspected things were about to get bad but we had 0.0 cases in NJ on 3/3 (thanks to the CDC/Administration failure on testing), so I figured it was probably still ok to go, but that night is when my wife, son and I decided to start our quarantine, well before almost anyone else. In hindsight, now knowing there were probably a few thousand cases actually in NJ by late February, we would've started our quarantine at least 1-2 weeks earlier.

Ignore these haters and losers they’re not worthy of your responses

 

[wisr01]

Nope, sorry, you're wrong - they announced the general result that HCQ prevented infections, but didn't share the specific data. You really need a lesson in the English language. And you still won't answer the question for some reason...

Edit - and here's your English lesson...

re·sult
/rəˈzəlt/

noun

1. a consequence, effect, or outcome of something.
   "the tower collapsed as a result of safety violations"

You said, "Even Boulware was skeptical of the early results released."

I said Boulware was skeptical of the early announcement because it did not include any data.

You said "I never said anything about data - talk about reading comprehension problems - I said "results".

Where did I say you said something about data? In fact, the whole point of my post was that you did not say data...you said results.

I then re-iterated that Boulware was only skeptical of the original announcement because they was no data included to support it's claim.

You then provided a definition of result for some bizarre reason when it has nothing to do with our discussion.

 

[bac2therac]

Good to see the trolls are all out in force, derailing what was once a decent thread by bringing up petty things we've talked about several times. Congrats.

Go ahead and bring up my posts from late January, although it's a disservice to everyone else who reads this thread looking for useful into - I've said several times that I was wrong back then, although I always said this had the potential to be bad, depending on ultimate transmission/fatality rates. I never said anything about Trump being xenophobic either (in reference to the travel ban - he's a xenophobe of the first order for a dozen other reasons).

And I was torn on 3/3, as I suspected things were about to get bad but we had 0.0 cases in NJ on 3/3 (thanks to the CDC/Administration failure on testing), so I figured it was probably still ok to go, but that night is when my wife, son and I decided to start our quarantine, well before almost anyone else. In hindsight, now knowing there were probably a few thousand cases actually in NJ by late February, we would've started our quarantine at least 1-2 weeks earlier.

The point is alot of people got things wrong yet seemingly every post you pick out the same few to blast while leaving yourself out besides the one or 2 times...maybe if almost every post didnt blame the failure of cdc to use the whos testing you would be better off

 

[WhiteBus]

I think there are still real questions as to how much the virus would kick back up if bars and other high density indoor congregations are brought back to pre covid rates.

I think how it all looks come fall is still very much a question.

Everywhere else that has opened up has not seen a spike in cases. In most places the % of declining positive cases continues.