COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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I hear you on that. I would lump CA,TX, AZ, FL, GA and perhaps even Oregon on my uh-oh list regardless of state "color"
But that also doesn't address the question on why is CA in worse shape than FL? They are both not doing well, but objectively FL is being impacted more than CA is(CA has much larger pop).
Not good metrics there for CA.
But lets do the same for FL. As of today there are 122K cases in Florida. 75% of 122K is 91.5K cases. FL hit that number of cases on about jun 20th, which is less than a week ago. So CA has 25% of its cases in the last 2 weeks and FL has 25% of its cases in the last week. That metric seems to support more concern about what is happening in FL over CA.
Because it’s a Red vs. Blue state thing and was quite obvious several days / weeks ago when the spike in cases became worse...all the deflection from anything run by liberals ...all the scorn and criticizing toward conservative/GOP...sure it’s politics anyway you look at it... on here the board leaders attempt to make it appear as if they have abstained on issues of politics ....they mix in science / medical articles off the internet and then if questioned or confronted by a differing opinion...they’ll label you as disruptive , inferior or even worse... see it’s like tossing shat up against a wall ...if it sticks it must be true... can’t wait until the DC state thread gets started ... there is a reason the left is once again pushing that as a topic ...if you give Washington D.C. statehood you can kiss goodbye anything related to our glorious history ... no federal control ...now that is well thought out by the lefties...
Lmao what? Or you can take some precautions so you can largely stay open without having to shut down businesses or have hospitals overrun. Hope you didn’t think that one through.
Numbers do you have an email chain where you're discussing this like you do with the weather? Would love to get on it. This thread was one of the first places I'd look for new info on the virus but over the last few weeks I can't even keep up. It's out of control.
Sleeping overnight a foot or two away from others in a small area across from NYC city hall, will not help stop the spread
Couldn't access that article but found another one that gets into it. The study hasn't been peer reviewed yet but one critique of the study was that people didn't get sick because none of the people who took part were likely sick to begin with because that area hadn't had many COVID cases in general. The critique was you want to know what happens when a COVID positive person comes to the gym...how risky is it for others in the gym. Basically, if you're in an area with low COVID cases there's a solid chance it's safe in a gym and if not then they wouldn't be so sure....that's kind of a "well duh" lol.
From the article:
Wondering whether it’s safe to go back to the gym? Norwegian gymgoers may have some good news for you. A study on the risk of coronavirus transmission in Oslo found that people who went to a gym were no more likely to get infected, or sick, than people who didn’t. Norway has reopened its gyms based on the tentative results, which were published as a preprint yesterday and still need to go through peer review.
But some epidemiologists aren’t so sure. It’s possible that no one was infected at those Oslo gyms because there were very few COVID-19 cases in the city when the study was done—not because working up a sweat on the treadmill or lifting weights in the midst of a pandemic is safe.
That doesn’t mean gyms are safe, says Darren Dahly, an epidemiologist at University College Cork. Over the weeks of the study, Oslo was reporting only a handful of new cases per day, with a maximum of 24 in 1 day. That means people in the study were already at very low risk, he says—possibly too low for a meaningful difference to be detected between the two groups.
Emily Smith, an epidemiologist at George Washington University, agrees. “There were zero sick people who went to the gym in this study,” she says. “We need to know what happens when people who are sick with COVID—but perhaps don’t yet have symptoms or have mild symptoms—go to the gym, take a spin class, and share a locker room with others.” Smith also points to the brief time period covered by the study: People who started to go to the gym a little later in the study period may have been exposed, but could have been tested too soon in the incubation period for the virus to be detectable.
Kalager agrees the results can’t determine whether it’s safe to go to the gym in places like Arizona “where the incidence of COVID-19 is much higher.” But in places with low numbers of new cases, “it’s safe,” she says.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/202...there-s-little-covid-19-around-study-suggests
Gyms should be able to open with the proper precautions. No idea what Murphy is waiting for.
I have never posted on the CE board besides once or twice. If I am attacked I will fight back though.
So you don't have any comment on Texas and Florida allowing restaurants to stay open but closing Bars? Aren't they choosing what business survives and who doesn't? No it could not have been done two months ago. Why don't you care about the 15,000 dead people in NJ who can never eat at any restaurant again?
No one cares what you would like to see. If you wanna be involved run for office. Weird how you are okay with Florida and Texas allowing people to eat at restaurants though but not drink at bars.
I have done nothing except provide facts and rebut false arguments. Funny how all you and your CE gang calls me another poster because you don't like what I have to say.
If they opened up the restaurants for outside dining with servers wearing masks two months ago, evidence suggests it would have been safe. I don't want any more deaths. Why do you keep on assuming that. I'm the one who has empathy. Your the one who lacks it. Now answer the question. What advice do you have to offer the restaurant owner who lost everything and is now unemployed. The one who was supporting his family with the business?
I'll answer your question when you answer mine. I have now asked you 6 times about Texas and Florida allowing restaurants to continue indoor service but closing all bars. Why do you not answer?
I got involved by voicing my opinion. Here and everywhere else. I was joined by a million other parents and Murphy heard our voices and came to his senses, at least somewhat, and now he's going to allow kids to return to school in September. See how that works.
It had nothing to do with you. It is about the science. See how that works.
Dammit. You are right #'s. This was an incredibly useful thread for me to hear intelligent people discuss a crisis that most of us have not seen before nor even contemplated. I don't consider it gospel, however, it provides links and (originally) intelligent reasoning that gave
me ideas and inspired me to research other ideas I might not have thought of on my own. Shit, isn't this the reason we decided to go to college and our beloved RU in the first place?
(Although it is a completely different subject, I wish we could identify who actually went to Rutgers that are posting on this board. I would like to identify in my own mind the one's I am embarrassed attended my school). I fully expect to be crucified for this post. Why can't supposedly intelligent people (RU graduates?) have the self control to keep the political shit off this valuable thread? I only recently joined Twitter so that I could get certain real time information for myself, rather than any media interpretation. I learned that, for example, you can click on Trump's thread and there will be many thousands of responses to every comment made by him, both positive and negative. Vent there. I was never a participant in the "CE thread". If that is what is happening now, please go away before another potentially valuable thread for the Rutgers community gets shut down because of a few emotionally challenged who cannot control themselves. And for godsakes, if you are an admitted troll, please **** off and seek professional treatment for your psychological problems.
I do not know you "Numbers", but thank you for your efforts and please keep hanging in there with this thread until we get through this crisis. I am no attention seeker, and rarely post. However, this bullshit is screwing up a good thread and pissing me off.
Moderators, I hope this doesn't get me banned, but where are you?
me ideas and inspired me to research other ideas I might not have thought of on my own. Shit, isn't this the reason we decided to go to college and our beloved RU in the first place?
(Although it is a completely different subject, I wish we could identify who actually went to Rutgers that are posting on this board. I would like to identify in my own mind the one's I am embarrassed attended my school). I fully expect to be crucified for this post. Why can't supposedly intelligent people (RU graduates?) have the self control to keep the political shit off this valuable thread? I only recently joined Twitter so that I could get certain real time information for myself, rather than any media interpretation. I learned that, for example, you can click on Trump's thread and there will be many thousands of responses to every comment made by him, both positive and negative. Vent there. I was never a participant in the "CE thread". If that is what is happening now, please go away before another potentially valuable thread for the Rutgers community gets shut down because of a few emotionally challenged who cannot control themselves. And for godsakes, if you are an admitted troll, please **** off and seek professional treatment for your psychological problems.
I do not know you "Numbers", but thank you for your efforts and please keep hanging in there with this thread until we get through this crisis. I am no attention seeker, and rarely post. However, this bullshit is screwing up a good thread and pissing me off.
Moderators, I hope this doesn't get me banned, but where are you?
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This makes sense. They didn't close them down completely at first and the number of cases rose too quickly, so they dialed it back. Now, it doesn't make sense to have an indoor bar open. That's too close in proximity without masks. Dining spaced out with servers wearing masks makes sense. They're managing risk and trying to limit harm. Yesterday, Texas had 8 deaths per 100,000 people putting them at 43 in the country. New York is at 61 deaths putting them at 1. Are you angry that they just didn't say to the restaurant owner, "screw you, just go out of business, life's not fair"?
Now answer the question. What advice do you have for the small restaurant owner in NJ who was put out of business due to the lockdown? He put all of his time and money into the business and now it's gone along with all his savings. He's now unemployed and has no means of supporting his family.
Right, Murphy heard us and decided to use science before making his decision. Up until today, he wasn't doing that. That has been my point all along. I'm glad you finally got it.
@RU848789 I'm committed to starting with a clean slate here but you really need to call out the first offenders like "Greg".
So everything you like that Murphy does is based on science but everything you don't like that he does is just him doing what he wants for his own reasons? Do I have that right?
According to you they should accomodate gyms. Why isn't Texas or Florida accommodating bars? Plenty of bars have outside areas, yet they are shut. Plenty of bars have tables where they can space people out more than 6 feet, yet they are shut. There is no accommodation. Even if you are an all outside Bar, you are shut down. Explain to me how that's fair while restaurants can continue to operate indoors or out.
I hope the government gives them continued funding even if it means I have to pay higher taxes for it to happen.
I already told you South Korea has established gyms as a primary place for infection.
LOL everyone else--including ###s apparently--is wrong about you.:flush:
We all love you Greg2020, no one wants to hurt you...
By the way, you ever read the book “Sybil”?
You gotta think the protests have something to do with the spiking right? So on the construction sites I am going to less and less people are wearing masks. Only some places are mandatory. Its tuff to work all day in them
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