Estimated Size of Each B1G NIL Purse

[Mholinko]

It has nothing to do with "this NIL era".
Look at the rest of the columns.

We have always been significantly behind in alumni contributions and ticket sales compared to peers.
Without NIL we will still be significantly behind.

As someone said above, we have small arenas with cheap tickets (?? I'm just assuming. Have no idea how our prices compare to others).

I would imagine significantly raising ticket prices/mandatory donations, under the guise of "we need more money to compete", would be very negatively received.

I said that about both revenue sports

So because we didn’t build the larger stadiums and arenas years ago when we weren’t competitive to give our fan base time to adapt to it now it would be worse because it’s “out in the open” that money is needed to be competitive

10 years ago and 20 years ago $$$ was needed it was just behind closed doors, illegal or not discussed

Now that it’s out in the open we would STILL offend our fan base? This is where the problem is is that we’re too cynical and worried about feelings

If basketball had raised the prices 50% instead of 25% we still would’ve sold out the season

 

[rubaseball78]

I have no interest in paying players. Never will. College sports is meaningless in essence.

Says the guy from PSU with the 3rd largest NIL fund in the Big 10.

 

[Mholinko]

It's a good question. NJ/NY is known for being among the most cynical places. I like it that way. Could never handle living in "Minnesota nice" country. But there is a downside.

Also, I'd want to know how different our fans really are. Some are on board and some aren't. I assume that's true everywhere. Is the percentage split among Rutgers fans different than at other places? Or do those other places just have more core fans, so that same split still results in a larger NIL purse?

I think because of the area we live where we have 100 other options for entertainment we have a higher % of ppl on the side that won’t contribute they’d just spend the money elsewhere for guaranteed entertainment until Rutgers HAPPENS to be good again and it’s a cool thing to do

In Columbus and happy valley and Madison and the rest of the fly over states in the conference the school IS IT

Couple that with the fact we have a really long history of losing to prevent new blood and new $$$ from coming in until now when the party already started and it’s an uphill climb

 

[Eagleton96]

I said that about both revenue sports

So because we didn’t build the larger stadiums and arenas years ago when we weren’t competitive to give our fan base time to adapt to it now it would be worse because it’s “out in the open” that money is needed to be competitive

10 years ago and 20 years ago $$$ was needed it was just behind closed doors, illegal or not discussed

Now that it’s out in the open we would STILL offend our fan base? This is where the problem is is that we’re too cynical and worried about feelings

If basketball had raised the prices 50% instead of 25% we still would’ve sold out the season

Prior to NIL, there were still many kids didn't expect money or didn't want to do something that was technically illegal. A place like Rutgers had hope as a sleeping giant because of the strong recruiting grounds, the hope that some kids would want to stay local and have some local pride, the proximity to NY and to chance to blow up with millions of fair weather fans if you broke through, and the idea that once we broke through we could sustain it.

Now with NIL that's gone. Every kids knows their fair market value and expects to get at least close to it. So that diminishes the value of the things we used to hope that RU could sell as potential.

Despite Ace and Dylan, we need to embrace the role of scrappy underdog and adjust expectations accordingly.

We also can have some hope that revenue sharing will play a big role, as long as the non-revenue sports don't suck it all up.

 

[Mholinko]

Prior to NIL, there were still many kids didn't expect money or didn't want to do something that was technically illegal. A place like Rutgers had hope as a sleeping giant because of the strong recruiting grounds, the hope that some kids would want to stay local and have some local pride, the proximity to NY and to chance to blow up with millions of fair weather fans if you broke through, and the idea that once we broke through we could sustain it.

Now with NIL that's gone. Every kids knows their fair market value and expects to get at least close to it. So that diminishes the value of the things we used to hope that RU could sell as potential.

Despite Ace and Dylan, we need to embrace the role of scrappy underdog and adjust expectations accordingly.

We also can have some hope that revenue sharing will play a big role, as long as the non-revenue sports don't suck it all up.

Revenue sharing exists at all b10 schools so once you remove that you’re still left with the disparity of revenue from ticket sales and concessions and NIL

Still wish I could get a explanation or at least a theory from Someone who’s been a fan longer than me (I’m 35) as to why our fan base does not embrace these changes

If we can’t attempt to keep up we would’ve been better off joining the Big East again and finding an affiliate conference like the AAC for football … scrappy underdog is not what a state university should be striving for

 

[Eagleton96]

Revenue sharing exists at all b10 schools so once you remove that you’re still left with the disparity of revenue from ticket sales and concessions and NIL

Still wish I could get a explanation or at least a theory from Someone who’s been a fan longer than me (I’m 35) as to why our fan base does not embrace these changes

If we can’t attempt to keep up we would’ve been better off joining the Big East again and finding an affiliate conference like the AAC for football … scrappy underdog is not what a state university should be striving for

I like your question.

On the revenue sharing, the disparity will lessen greatly. Right now the disparity in NIL between us and PSU is about 4-1. Add in $22mil in revenue sharing and the disparity will lessen to about 2-1. And with mid-tier schools the disparity will lessen to 3 to 2.5 or so. Much more manageable.

 

[Mholinko]

I like your question.

On the revenue sharing, the disparity will lessen greatly. Right now the disparity in NIL between us and PSU is about 4-1. Add in $22mil in revenue sharing and the disparity will lessen to about 2-1. And with mid-tier schools the disparity will lessen to 3 to 2.5 or so. Much more manageable.

Yes but don’t psu and those blue bloods also get a piece of that same pie

We don’t get more than them everyone gets the same so why would it be a smaller gap

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

The RAC is famous for being a pure college BB experience. That's something to sell. And boosters are often fans, not just corporations wanting to entertain clients. You aren't wrong, but it's not the whole picture.

My point is we have the fans we have and to raise real $ we need new fans that aren't like our old fans.

 

[NickRU714]

I said that about both revenue sports

So because we didn’t build the larger stadiums and arenas years ago when we weren’t competitive to give our fan base time to adapt to it now it would be worse because it’s “out in the open” that money is needed to be competitive

10 years ago and 20 years ago $$$ was needed it was just behind closed doors, illegal or not discussed

Now that it’s out in the open we would STILL offend our fan base? This is where the problem is is that we’re too cynical and worried about feelings

If basketball had raised the prices 50% instead of 25% we still would’ve sold out the season

I jokes during the whole "can't get rid of the blue/yellow lot" discussions that it was like Thanos.

"As long as there are those who remember what was, there will always be those who cannot accept what can be. They will resist."

Eventually fans won't know there even was a Blue/Yellow lot next to the stadium and won't know what they are missing. They'll only know that you have to park at the RAC and take a bus.

Something similar will eventually have to happen with ticket prices and NIL donations and such.

If the team can stay successful (and that's a big IF obviously) then people won't even remember when prices were 50% cheaper or how loud the "old" RAC could get.
They'll just know the present.

How many Giants/Jets fans only know MetLife stadium and never heard of Giants Stadium?
A higher and higher percentage every year.

 

[Eagleton96]

Yes but don’t psu and those blue bloods also get a piece of that same pie

We don’t get more than them everyone gets the same so why would it be a smaller gap

the ratios shrink. If you have a net worth of 200k and I have a net worth of 50k you are way better off than me. If we both win the lottery and get an additional 1 million, now we are pretty even.

The revenue sharing is pegged to be $22mil. The gap between us and Wisconsin for example is 5 mil. The difference between 4 mil (RU) and 9 mil (UW) is huge. After revenue share the gap is still 5 mil. But now it’s 26mil vs 31 mil. Much more even.

 

[e5fdny]

Says the guy from PSU with the 3rd largest NIL fund in the Big 10.

You be surprised to hear how many State Penn fans say the same as him.

I certainly was.

So this isn’t just a Rutgers thing.

 

[Mholinko]

You be surprised to hear how many State Penn fans say the same as him.

I certainly was.

So this isn’t just a Rutgers thing.

Probably easier to say when other fans are doing it for you

There’s nobody at Rutgers even contributing enough to start that narrative

 

[e5fdny]

Probably easier to say when other fans are doing it for you

There’s nobody at Rutgers even contributing enough to start that narrative

I’m not talking about that part.

It’s the attitude of “why are we even doing this? Don’t they already get enough?”

Which is what the guy who teaches there is saying.

 

[RU84]

My point is we have the fans we have and to raise real $ we need new fans that aren't like our old fans.

I think amenities at the arena are far down the list of what motivates wealthy donors. Arena's like Cameron and UConn are really nothing special. Prudential Center blows away the RAC and those older arena's but how's the Hall's NIL?

 

[Eagleton96]

the ratios shrink. If you have a net worth of 200k and I have a net worth of 50k you are way better off than me. If we both win the lottery and get an additional 1 million, now we are pretty even.

The revenue sharing is pegged to be $22mil. The gap between us and Wisconsin for example is 5 mil. The difference between 4 mil (RU) and 9 mil (UW) is huge. After revenue share the gap is still 5 mil. But now it’s 26mil vs 31 mil. Much more even.

The real question becomes how will that revenue be split among the different teams and athletes? I think I read that it will be up to each school to decide. We need to hope for, and push for, the teams that generate the revenue to be the ones that get the lions share of it.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

This would really suck for me......

If there is no renovation which would reset things......The next move by RU is to raise 100 level ticket prices significantly to flush some people out. Doubling ticket prices in the 100s would probably keep 80% and then raise a significant amount filing the new 20%

 

[higgins3]

Lol so we are supposed to pay for the team? . Pikiell gets paid 5 mil plus a year and we are supposed to pay?

 

[Mholinko]

Lol so we are supposed to pay for the team? . Pikiell gets paid 5 mil plus a year and we are supposed to pay?

YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE TEAM

THE FAN BASE COLLECTIVELY ESSENTIALLY NEEDS TO UNTIL THE NIL SYSTEM BREAKS

PIKIELL GETS PAID LESS THAN MOST P4 COACHES STILL AS DOES SCHIANO SO ITS NOT A RELEVANT ARGYUEMENT TO BRING COACH INTO THE DISCUSSION OF WHO SHOULD PAY

THE ALTERNATIVE AND THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING IS THAT FANS NEED TO STOP CRYING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THE FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL PROGRAM WHEN WE ARENT WINNING EVERY GAME OR EVEN MOST GAMES BECAUSE OF THE STATE OF COLLEGE ATHLETICS

INSTEAD OF BELITTING MARTINI FOR BEING SOFT OR HAYES FOR NOT MAKING SHOTS AGAINST BETTER COMPETITION LETS LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF WHY WE HAVE THOSE PLAYERS AND NOT P4 TRANSFERS LIKE MOST OF OUR COMPETITION HAS

 

[higgins3]

YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE TEAM

THE FAN BASE COLLECTIVELY ESSENTIALLY NEEDS TO UNTIL THE NIL SYSTEM BREAKS

PIKIELL GETS PAID LESS THAN MOST P4 COACHES STILL AS DOES SCHIANO SO ITS NOT A RELEVANT ARGYUEMENT TO BRING COACH INTO THE DISCUSSION OF WHO SHOULD PAY

THE ALTERNATIVE AND THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING IS THAT FANS NEED TO STOP CRYING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF THE FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL PROGRAM WHEN WE ARENT WINNING EVERY GAME OR EVEN MOST GAMES BECAUSE OF THE STATE OF COLLEGE ATHLETICS

INSTEAD OF BELITTING MARTINI FOR BEING SOFT OR HAYES FOR NOT MAKING SHOTS AGAINST BETTER COMPETITION LETS LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE OF WHY WE HAVE THOSE PLAYERS AND NOT P4 TRANSFERS LIKE MOST OF OUR COMPETITION HAS

YOU BRING UP GOOD POINTS. I SHOULD HAVE LEFT PIKIELL OUT. ARE YOU YELLING?? I SUPPORT NIL,BUT I DO LAUGH WHEN PIKIELL SAYS KNIGHTS OF RARITAN IS A VERY REAL THING AND ASKS US TO DONATE WHEN HE IS A MILLIONAIRE.SORRY. IT RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY.

 

[TRU2RU]

I have no interest in paying players. Never will. College sports is meaningless in essence.

Then why are you on a college sports message board?????

 

[TRU2RU]

YOU BRING UP GOOD POINTS. I SHOULD HAVE LEFT PIKIELL OUT. ARE YOU YELLING?? I SUPPORT NIL,BUT I DO LAUGH WHEN PIKIELL SAYS KNIGHTS OF RARITAN IS A VERY REAL THING AND ASKS US TO DONATE WHEN HE IS A MILLIONAIRE.SORRY. IT RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY.

So you are jealous of a man making a living in his chosen field!

 

[wheezer]

Then why are you on a college sports message board?????

I have no interest in contributing towards paying players, beyond the required donations for seats and parking...... If any of that money reaches them, so be it

And I remain as one of the most loyal fans as far as attending games, with the hopes of doing so for decades more

I feel no conflict on this, and consider myself as good a fan as any

 

[Mholinko]

YOU BRING UP GOOD POINTS. I SHOULD HAVE LEFT PIKIELL OUT. ARE YOU YELLING?? I SUPPORT NIL,BUT I DO LAUGH WHEN PIKIELL SAYS KNIGHTS OF RARITAN IS A VERY REAL THING AND ASKS US TO DONATE WHEN HE IS A MILLIONAIRE.SORRY. IT RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY.

No im not yelling my workplace computer program requires all caps sorry lol

 

[Mholinko]

I have no interest in contributing towards paying players, beyond the required donations for seats and parking...... If any of that money reaches them, so be it

And I remain as one of the most loyal fans as far as attending games, with the hopes of doing so for decades more

I feel no conflict on this, and consider myself as good a fan as any

I respect this take but as devils advocate… are you okay with the state of our athletics for the forseeable future knowing what you know about NIL and the advantage other “less moral”’programs have

 

[Eagleton96]

Lol so we are supposed to pay for the team? . Pikiell gets paid 5 mil plus a year and we are supposed to pay?

The coach isn't even legally allowed to pay the players. I wouldn't be surprised if Pike were totally willing to pay out of his own salary to bump the roster if that was remotely legal.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

YOU BRING UP GOOD POINTS. I SHOULD HAVE LEFT PIKIELL OUT. ARE YOU YELLING?? I SUPPORT NIL,BUT I DO LAUGH WHEN PIKIELL SAYS KNIGHTS OF RARITAN IS A VERY REAL THING AND ASKS US TO DONATE WHEN HE IS A MILLIONAIRE.SORRY. IT RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY.

Trust me Pike is a good guy and is generous even when people aren't looking.

 

[wheezer]

I respect this take but as devils advocate… are you okay with the state of our athletics for the forseeable future knowing what you know about NIL and the advantage other “less moral”’programs have

I find it unfortunate

I had no objection with the original premise of players selling likeness on shirts, some memorabilia etc. the way it Seemed intended

I may have purchased said items in support of a player

The problem now is the complete lack if regulation of this

In my opinion, they should put controls on it, even if that pathway is difficult now

We are not going to compete with the NIL of a Ohio state, so I do not see any possibility of besting them except the occasional upset from expert coaching

I could make an arrangement, let’s say, of donation $100/month, but I think that would be a waste, since it doesn’t make a dent

 

[Eagleton96]

I have no interest in contributing towards paying players, beyond the required donations for seats and parking...... If any of that money reaches them, so be it

And I remain as one of the most loyal fans as far as attending games, with the hopes of doing so for decades more

I feel no conflict on this, and consider myself as good a fan as any

If Rutgers upped the prices and earmarked that money to the players would that be different for you since you are paying Rutgers and not the players directly?

 

[Eagleton96]

I find it unfortunate

I had no objection with the original premise of players selling likeness on shirts, some memorabilia etc. the way it Seemed intended

I may have purchased said items in support of a player

The problem now is the complete lack if regulation of this

In my opinion, they should put controls on it, even if that pathway is difficult now

We are not going to compete with the NIL of a Ohio state, so I do not see any possibility of besting them except the occasional upset from expert coaching

I could make an arrangement, let’s say, of donation $100/month, but I think that would be a waste, since it doesn’t make a dent

That wouldn't close the gap with OSU, but it might with Iowa or Wisconsin.

Also, the hopefully forthcoming revenue share lawsuit settlement will hopefully close the gap a lot, putting us in striking distance of more schools.

I agree that it's the crazy wild west. We need multi year NIL contracts IMO that are binding on the player.

 

[wheezer]

If Rutgers upped the prices and earmarked that money to the players would that be different for you since you are paying Rutgers and not the players directly?

I would wind up paying it, I guess, unless I felt it was just too much
So, it depends
In reality, that might be the only way you do increase donations in a significant way,

 

[biochemist01]

I find it unfortunate

I had no objection with the original premise of players selling likeness on shirts, some memorabilia etc. the way it Seemed intended

I may have purchased said items in support of a player

The problem now is the complete lack if regulation of this

In my opinion, they should put controls on it, even if that pathway is difficult now

We are not going to compete with the NIL of a Ohio state, so I do not see any possibility of besting them except the occasional upset from expert coaching

I could make an arrangement, let’s say, of donation $100/month, but I think that would be a waste, since it doesn’t make a dent

If every person like you who says "I don't donate because it doesn't make a dent" would actually make a donation it would make a huge dent.

 

[wheezer]

If every person like you who says "I don't because it doesn't make a dent" would actually make a donation it would make a huge dent.

I would go with the idea of raising prices or required donations
Assuming that is allowed

 

[NickRU714]

I have no interest in contributing towards paying players, beyond the required donations for seats and parking...... If any of that money reaches them, so be it

And I remain as one of the most loyal fans as far as attending games, with the hopes of doing so for decades more

I feel no conflict on this, and consider myself as good a fan as any

Sorry but that 1st paragraoh makes no sense.
You have no interest in contributing towards paying players except where you are already contributing to paying players?

If the AD instead just raised ticket prices and "mandatory donations" and then paid players (similar to every other expense for the programs) you would be fine?

Just don't ask for it directly?
Let the AD be the middle man - similar to buying Giants tickets which then funnels money to paying players.

 

[wheezer]

Sorry but that 1st paragraoh makes no sense.
You have no interest in contributing towards paying players except where you are already contributing to paying players?

If the AD instead just raised ticket prices and "mandatory donations" and then paid players (similar to every other expense for the programs) you would be fine?

Just don't ask for it directly?
Let the AD be the middle man - similar to buying Giants tickets which then funnels money to paying players.

What I mean is that I have no interest in directly donating to buying talent

If it a donation for that purpose is built into ticket and parking fees, I then have to decide if I want to continue as a ticket holder if the price becomes steep

I just look at it as, how much do I have to pay to continue

 

[Mholinko]

That wouldn't close the gap with OSU, but it might with Iowa or Wisconsin.

Also, the hopefully forthcoming revenue share lawsuit settlement will hopefully close the gap a lot, putting us in striking distance of more schools.

I agree that it's the crazy wild west. We need multi year NIL contracts IMO that are binding on the player.

I think I could live with shrinking the gap on Iowa or Wisconsin

I don't expect to close the gap on OSU or PSU or Michigan in Football just like I don't expect to close the gap on UNC or Duke or Kentucky in hoops

I would sign up for Iowa and Wisconsins athletic resume in a heartbeat... consistent ncaa tournament appearances, consistent top 25 appearance in football and basketball and occasionally a new years bowl or deep ncaa run

You would make 99.9% of fans happy if you gave us the track record of Iowa or Wisconsin over the last two decades in athletics

 

[Eagleton96]

I think I could live with shrinking the gap on Iowa or Wisconsin

I don't expect to close the gap on OSU or PSU or Michigan in Football just like I don't expect to close the gap on UNC or Duke or Kentucky in hoops

I would sign up for Iowa and Wisconsins athletic resume in a heartbeat... consistent ncaa tournament appearances, consistent top 25 appearance in football and basketball and occasionally a new years bowl or deep ncaa run

You would make 99.9% of fans happy if you gave us the track record of Iowa or Wisconsin over the last two decades in athletics

Agree. And if we got to that point, given the wealth and population in our region, we might be able to take the next step.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I love basketball and look forward to all the home games I attend. The path that my team's success is predicated on how much me and the fanbase is willing to pay is one that will soon lead me off the path.

 

[Rhuarc]

The higher the price to attend the games/parking, etc. just means that many people will shift money around to cover those new costs. I don't think many people constantly up the amount of their donations unless they have high level jobs. As a teacher, I know my salary for the next 3 years and those increases are getting absorbed by medical costs, etc.

Right now, I enjoy doing the raffle for the nice hoops tickets or kick in my 20 bucks for the touchdown club 50/50. I also donate monthly to KotR, but I've enjoyed the perks I've received from them for doing so. This makes that less likely be the first to go.

Honestly for me the first thing to go would be season tickets for various sports. I would just try to pick up games on the cheap through friends or online against not big opponents and just watch on tv.

 

[cRURah]

Am I correct in understanding that the NIL analysis does not account for individual player deals where the money comes directly from wealthy boosters or corporate sponsors? if this is only collective NIL, the numbers are meaningless.

 

[NickRU714]

I love basketball and look forward to all the home games I attend. The path that my team's success is predicated on how much me and the fanbase is willing to pay is one that will soon lead me off the path.

Hasn't that been the path for 30 years?
Why do you think they charge for tickets and have mandatory donations?

The teams success has always been predicated on how much the fanbase has been willing to pay.

If HC Pike wanted a raise to $8m after making the Final Four and getting courted by UConn, you can be sure how much the fanbase is willing to pay will dictate if he stays at Rutgers or not.