Stats can be misleading.DePaul got offensive rebounds that resulted in put back baskets or additional offensive possessions which resulted in Rutgers fouling.
GAME 4 De Paul: On Pike
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sh!t I thought 2 other guys were mostly to blame. You are missing something important on the 3 to make DePaul up 61-58.
The bottom line is that lets not blame Caleb McConnell for the loss. Maybe he prevented us from being up 8 with his poor decisions and execution offensively. We had the game where we wanted. We were in control.
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Baker drives in for the layup and misses, he looks up to see who got the rebound and once he sees it's DePaul's ball, he starts back on defense - he maybe was slow on his first couple steps, but he was behind the play already at that point. There's really nothing Baker could have done differently to impact that play since he was the farthest person from our basket when the break started.
The only players involved in the play when a shot went off were Harper and Hyatt for Rutgers, and Freeman-Liberty and Jones on DePaul.
Freeman-Liberty does a good job attacking the basket, and Harper is back to defend - but Hyatt also stays low to double team him, and Jones splits out wide to the arc. F-L stops in the paint instead of forcing a layup, and kicks out to Jones. Hyatt is 15 feet from him and tries to run out, but can't get there.
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That's what offensive rebounding is.. we were better at it than DePaul was in that game. Now if you want to argue we should've been even more better than have at it but we were not outrebounded.
Other than that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play? LOL.
Seriously. Quite the mess right now.
Is there a stat on points off offensive rebounds? I know we had a few ORBs that ended up going nowhere. It may be that we got more offensive boards, but they got more points off of offensive boards. Would need to know the data on that, but it might be what is giving the impression that they were "better" on the offensive glass.
Men's Basketball vs DePaul on 11/18/2021 - Box Score - Rutgers University Athletics
The official box score of Men's Basketball vs DePaul on 11/18/2021
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Second chance points 14-14.
looked to me like he just moped for a second cause he didn't get the call. maybe I'm wrong but that's why I record the games.
Regardless...could he have stopped the shot? Maybe not. Could he have busted his A$$ from the moment he missed to get back and set the example? Yes.
Men's Basketball vs DePaul on 11/18/2021 - Box Score - Rutgers University Athletics
The official box score of Men's Basketball vs DePaul on 11/18/2021
Second chance points 14-14.
Thanks! So that's not it.
To be honest I also felt like we were getting beat on the boards when I was actually watching so not sure what it is.
I think maybe it's that a few of them were weird airball type ones where the ball just kind of went right to their player and I tend to find those especially frustrating. Also I think there were periods where we were probably getting killed when RHJ and/or Cliff were not in there.
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Okay, watched it again.
Baker was out of bounds when the rebound came down, and was two steps behind everyone else when the break started. He definitely wasn't accelerating to top speed right away, and gave a couple jog-steps as the break started before getting up to speed. He was probably the last person to cross the midline.
He COULD have caught up to Jones on the arc if he'd gone flat out immediately and might have been able to flash cross the front of him as he was shooting.
So, I'll give him partial fault for that one.
On the other side of the court, Mulcahy also collapsed to the paint with his man split out wide to the arc, but Omoruyi was also between the two of them so that passing lane was closed off.
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Well Stubblefield doesn't appear to have played a minute this year. Maybe he was a starter last year IDK.
I also don't know whether Grant-Foster started the first game against Coppin St. or whether his only playing 15 minutes was due to injury. What I do know is that he was some transfer from Kansas who played 9 mpg as a junior and took 8 DNPs.
Lol I'm an idiot Stubblefield is the coach.. Jalen Terry also doesn't appear to have played a minute this year.
Not yet, we aren’t there yet. Might not even be this season, might be next season.
It’s pretty obvious where this thing is headed.
Are you certain? You are being too kind to our captain
If he didn't sprint back on D and picked up a man that play still happens?
It makes feel better that on one of the plays you say Mulcahy gets hit with an illegal screen. Watching on TV in live time I only see Paul being late and not getting through a screen. Tough to fight through the moving ones
The only thing obvious is that nothing is obvious.
Cliff and Agee = 0 defensive rebounds
No no, it’s pretty damn obvious Pike has no clue what’s going on on offense.
It actually reminds me of Ash when he would only play man to man on defense and watch his players get lit up over and over and over again.
On the offensively side of the ball, our coaches are not putting our players in the best position to succeed. That’s an issue.
Anyone who doesn’t see this is a fool IMO
with some more time to reflect I think it comes down to this:
we have lost a lot of pieces from last year and it will take time for them to come together and play as a team.
whether what comes together is better than worse than last year is yet to be decided.. but what we see right now seems to be less (possibly far less) than last year... but that can change.
we have lost a lot of pieces from last year and it will take time for them to come together and play as a team.
whether what comes together is better than worse than last year is yet to be decided.. but what we see right now seems to be less (possibly far less) than last year... but that can change.
You're not allowed to call yourself an idiot. Only other posters are allowed to do that. (but that was good for a chuckle. I know the feeling)
please note he took another look after I posted and came around on that play a bit.
I guess I am a fool.
Did we have too many possessions where we didn't get in to our sets quick enough or at all? YES
Is he sacrificing offense so we put out a better defensive lineup? YES
Is he trying to teach young people that defense is our calling card? YES
Does he place too much trust in some and not enough in others? PROBABLY
We run offensive sets.
Pike calls offensive plays.
I have a perfect view with over half of our games of what the staff is doing and how Pike communicates with our guards. We have an offense. It works. We don't always execute. Us not always getting in to our offensive sets is not a Rutgers problem. It happens everywhere at all different levels.
We lose geo and probably Harper next year . Maybe some others too. Not sure how this team is better under that scenario
I don't want you to do this......I also swear much earlier in the game when Baker had the ball stolen had he sprinted to the spot he could have prevented a layup or god forbid even taken a charge. If he hustled and taken the angle he had a chance.
Even if he couldn't you need to show your teammates that you are making the effort.
I predict you’ll wake up by the end of the year.
There is no offense. It’s dribble dribble dribble dribble dribble.
And if you’re saying the players aren’t getting into it, then Pike should do his damn job and sit players down until their realize it’s not about them.
There’s a reason the team scores more when things are loose and they’re just running around making plays on the go. Pikes “offense” is to take the air out of the ball and it makes the team suck.
Ok then you can just stop right at that statement cause no appearance in an NCAA tournament during Baker and harpers senior season would be nothing short of a MASSIVE failure. We have senior leadership with NCAA experience. No. Just no.
How did you know we weren't a tourney team before the season? That is ludicrous.
I knew that the baseline expectation should not be that this is a tourney team. I did not, and still do not, actually know whether we will make the tourney.
I don't want to go there, at least not right now.
All I will say that we have a sample size of players leaving and the team getting much better. Corey and Eugene EXHIBIT A and B.
Harper would be tough to replace in the portal. Geo's position is a dime a dozen and can easily be replaced in the portal. It will be obvious to a potential player that the path to starter's minutes is there. Pike should have a choice and be able to get his type of player.
That should 100% be the baseline when your team wins a game in the tournament the year before and you return not one but TWO of your best players. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about but that's a pathetic outlook.
I agree. I did see some signs of hope from a few of the lineups. With Cliff, Hyatt, Geo, Ron on the floor we have a solid core. Even PM with those other 4 is OK if he plays his role. They actually ran an offense and moved the ball at the end of the game in stretches. They just need to get more time together. Add in McConnell and Jones as first two off the bench, and there is reason to hope. But we are definitely behind where we should be in terms of developing our core players as a rotation together, in the roles they need to be in, due to Pike's insistence on pushing PM into the role of initiating the offense and having McConnel anything other than an elite garbage man and glue guy.
Maybe Pike is a genius and by game 10 his vision will click into place and we will all be amazed. And being fair, Pike's rotation is known for having a lot of variability early in the season. But as of right now, assuming the PM and McConnel experiment fails, we are behind where we should be in terms of team and player development.
I am wide awake. If Pike is part of any problem it is a small amount.
I am not bullish on this season, but could be wrong.
There have been 4 periods over the past 2 years (2 in each year) where the team has been in a funk and most think the sky is falling. The team never runs an offense and the players don't care and the coach is playing the wrong people.
I went back and reviewed - if he went into an immediate flat out sprint to Jones, he could have jumped across his field of vision as the shot went up, which would have reduced its likelihood of going in, but he wouldn't have been able to prevent the shot. Hyatt staying more home on his man would have forced F-L to put up a contested layup against Harper or to take the ball back out to set up the offense.
As for the illegal screen.... Mulcahy was coming around the defender, who took a full step forward into him and made contact before setting his feet. He was still a step slow getting around the screen anyway, but could have contested the shot much better if the screener hadn't stepped forward into him.
There was a lot of movement on screens both ways in the game, though, without any calls that I remember - just wasn't something the refs were emphasizing last night.
Probably the biggest surprise for me was the shot that made it 71-67. Seeing it live really made me think Mulcahy lost his man and was out of position. Running it back, the shooter started near the basket with Hyatt guarding him, then ran along the baseline and curled up to the wing. Hyatt got caught up in the screen and left a wide open shot, and Mulcahy saw this and tried to switch off his man to close out on the shooter.
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I am not asking you to do this, but if you read all my posts about this team starting preseason you will get what i think the issues are. After losing to DePaul I am not going to rehash my views to a board partially melting down.
To the naked live eye I counted 3 defensive lapses by Paul. You have now taken away 1 and blamed a 2nd on a moving screen. Makes me feel better about Paul, but now concerned about another.....
The coaching staff will look at tape and know exactly where the breakdowns are. The lineups and rotations that we see don't come out of thin air.
This is great work.
The other Baker play i referenced was earlier in the game when his pass was picked off
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