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Get used to this: Steve Pikiell Team’s, High Floor, Low Ceiling

I don't think it would be ridiculous to make some sort of change in the off season with respect to offense, as our offensive efficiency is mediocre to poor for a power conference team.

I mean, it's way overblown, but I'm sure it could be better.

That said, it's patently ridiculous to say that this is the ceiling. We could change literally nothing and we should be able to improve from here with improved recruiting. Hell, we should be better next year unless you think [Yeboah - freshmen] is worth more than a year of growth for the entire rest of the roster.
 
P.S. every player but Carter has improved from last season

Box Plus Minus [2019 -> 2020]
Baker 2.2 -> 5
Harper 2.4 -> 5.3
Carter 1.1 -> 0.3
Johnson 3.6 -> 7
McConnell 3 -> 4.3
Mathis -0.8 -> 3.2
Ducoure -7.3 -> -5.7

PPRG! (Basically value over replacement, adjusted for usage) [2019 -> 2020]
Baker 1.7 -> 2.4
Harper 2.4 -> 2.5
Carter 1.3 -> 0.4
Johnson 1.2 -> 2.5
McConnell 1 -> 1.8
Mathis 0.8 -> 1.1
Ducoure -0.9 -> -0.5
 
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Since it appears to the OP that Iowa is the model offensive program RU should look like, here's just some of their B1G games on points allowed.

103 at Michigan (Loss by 12)
89 vs PSU at Palestra (Loss by 3)
76 at Nebraska (Loss by 6)
83 at home vs Michigan (Win by 7)
80 at home vs Rutgers (Win by 5)
82 at Maryland (Loss by 10)
104 at Purdue (Loss by 36 )
89 at Indiana (Loss by 12)

I think Iowa is a NCAA lock as a tournament team, But they still have remaining road games at Minnesota, at Michigan State and at Illinois. The only road win for them in conference is at Northwestern mixed with the opportunity blown by losing at Nebraska.

I just think we are talking about high floor, low ceiling, it's a program that fans here love because they have shooters in Iowa....and fans complaining about RU not having shooters is fine....but having shooters with no ability or interest in defense, is low ceiling.

The "model program to some fans" has 6 B1G road losses by a total of 79 points....while that may be OK, if you have 3 more road games left and you are Iowa and your average margin of defeat on the road is around 13 points, how exactly do you plan to make up that type of deficit??

Counter that with RUs B1G road record of total margin of defeat 12,3,5,5,6 & 6......that's 37 points in 7 games, which is much more ideal or realistic.....and if I eliminated the MSU game from 2 months ago....its just 25 points over 6 games....basically all around 4 PPG per game/road defeat....not an impossible gap to close, it's one stop on defense and another shot made on offense.

Defense travels and allows you as a program to stay in road games. It is virtually impossible to expect the opposite result, if the focus is only about running an offense..... to outshoot teams on the road and allow 80,85,90 and over 100+ points twice......?? No chance IMO to be successful....can you be entertaining??? Yes....

Winning consistently or being competitive on the road playing all offense and matador defense.....???....No shot....
 
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dpwhite said:
Kyk's posts are here act like it's the final year of the Eddie Jordan era and the wheels are falling off rather than the most exciting season in years and no matter the outcome of the season, another step in the build. Maybe people are in Montez's ear, maybe not. But the apocalyptic tone of your posts are over the top.
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Im sorry but im not willing to let 30 years of sucking be my frame like most here. I expect more
 
kyk1827 said:
Im sorry but im not willing to let 30 years of sucking be my frame like most here. I expect more
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If someone said to you prior to season with 6 games to go we would be in position we are in would you take it. 100% would have said yes - including you - so why not admit you got a lot more than what you expected and enjoy it.
 
TODDB33 said:
If someone said to you prior to season with 6 games to go we would be in position we are in would you take it. 100% would have said yes - including you - so why not admit you got a lot more than what you expected and enjoy it.
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look up all my pre-season threads. My expectations were tourney this year. And yes, we're still in position to have a chance (I personally don't think we win more than 1 more game though) but why is it so offensive to you guys to point out this coaching staff despite being the best we've had in a while (very low bar) has it's flaws? Some of which are very glaring however easily fixable. Why is that such an issue? Why do people believe we should always just gargle our coaches balls in our mouths?
 
This is more of a player issue than a schematic one. As someone pointed out earlier, these "Junior High" sets would be more efficient with better shooters.
 
RutgersMO said:
High floors,low ceiling ...what about the walls?

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I was thinking Wonkaland
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kyk1827 said:
look up all my pre-season threads. My expectations were tourney this year. And yes, we're still in position to have a chance (I personally don't think we win more than 1 more game though) but why is it so offensive to you guys to point out this coaching staff despite being the best we've had in a while (very low bar) has it's flaws? Some of which are very glaring however easily fixable. Why is that such an issue? Why do people believe we should always just gargle our coaches balls in our mouths?
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The so called flaws you bring up are nothing more than your opinion. You bitch about what Pike says after games, you bitch about your perceived notion of what changes should be made. I asked you a question the other day and you still haven't answered and as you say go back and look it up. You are bitchin about the O saying we reached our ceiling. Question if we had another 1 or 2 guys that shot the 3 at about a 38% percent would our offense improve (open up more opportunities ) I would think so. Your statement we have reached our ceiling is saying we won't get those type of players. You don't know that. By the way the posters as you say are gargling coaches balls in their mouths have a ton more respect for him and the staff as to their coaching expertise and knowledge than they have for posters like yourself who come across as know it all a'holes.
You have in the past made some viable comments but you have gone away from that recently.
Why can't you admit the coaches know a hell of a lot more about this team, how to coach from game to game, who can do what in a given situation and how to scheme from game to game than you or anyone else on this board.
Having some confidence and faith in them is not gargling balls.
 
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kyk1827 said:
look up all my pre-season threads. My expectations were tourney this year. And yes, we're still in position to have a chance (I personally don't think we win more than 1 more game though) but why is it so offensive to you guys to point out this coaching staff despite being the best we've had in a while (very low bar) has it's flaws? Some of which are very glaring however easily fixable. Why is that such an issue? Why do people believe we should always just gargle our coaches balls in our mouths?
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No one is gargling Pike's balls in their mouths and no one is settling for mediocrity as you've suggested. You are misinterpreting other fans because just don't get it, or perhaps just don't care.......Most of us are finally enjoying a season where RU is relevant and looking forward to a post season birth and hopefully NCAA tourney.....and are expecting to see even better things in coming years. You appear to be the one wallowing in unhappiness and believing that you are the only one who can provide insights on how to fix any problems RU may have.
 
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Why even argue with him about basketball? I wish I could remember half the crap he said about SHU
 
brad1218 said:
Well that’s just not true. First, we do get those shots each game. Second we get many ahots that we pass up because guys lack confidence to shoot. Could we get more? Yes. That would require and lighting fast PG that we severely lack to beat guys off the dribble.
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Young is that lightning fast PG. The problem is he often times plays too fast and out of control.
 
A natural PG, some 3 point shooters, and centers that can make free throws would really help our offensive production.
 
TODDB33 said:
Maybe he can apply for a job in the athletic dept as a roving coach. He seems to know all about football game planning, coaching and recruiting and now he is telling anyone who will listen, based on his self perceived knowledge of how to run a program, what an established coaching staff needs to change to get better. And all this coming from his vast knowledge of all sports in general.
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Oh wow THANK YOU!!I finally realize what former poster(s) this guy has reminded me of the last few years lol!
 
Pancho1939 said:
Didn’t you also say Ron would get drafted after this year?
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Nope. Said I thought hed do the corey sanders type of declare then come back which all the kids are doing these days. Hes shit the bed though. But yes, im so so so negative that I thought ron would have a good enough year to get evaluated.... right....
 
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In all honesty, I'm okay with the X's and O's. I think it has and always will be the mental game.

- Why are we so successful at home when we lost every sellout at home last year?
- Why are we so close in away games (less than 6 points in our losses), but can't close the deal?
- Why do we always seem to make a big run in so many of our games (10+ pts margin), but start so poorly from the start?

There's also been a lot of individual mistakes over the season:
- Geo/RHJ slumping even with decent looks
- Myles foul trouble
- Jacob's early season turnovers
- Mulcahy getting burnt on defense

All of these things are correctable with experience and mental toughness. If we had those corrected in our losses, we would be closer to the top in the best conference in the country. Honestly, I think we can play with any team in the country, if we played with elite confidence. Who knows...
 
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kyk1827 said:
Nope. Said I thought hed do the corey sanders type of declare then come back which all the kids are doing these days. Hes shit the bed though. But yes, im so so so negative that I thought ron would have a good enough year to get evaluated.... right....
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Lets see, on 5/12/19 you started this thread: "Ron Harper Jr. will go down as the best RU basketball player in program history". You posted he'd be the teams best player this year. The thread title still has a chance to Coe true, but your prognosticaton for this year is a little off. Of course, your position was based on what you were hearing. Nuff said. :Sly:
 
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Just to follow up, on June 24, 2019 Kyk started a thread entitled "Will Ron Harper Jr. Declare After This Season?" There were 328 total posts and most were not kind, but some were very funny. Again, this was based on Kyk "talking to some local NJ guys" who were apparently well connected and "the word on the street". Somehow, it looks like Kyk's informants have played him, not on the court where he is feared by anyone under the age of 5, but with his insights on the game of basketball.:Wink:
 
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kyk1827 said:
Nope. Said I thought hed do the corey sanders type of declare then come back which all the kids are doing these days. Hes shit the bed though. But yes, im so so so negative that I thought ron would have a good enough year to get evaluated.... right....
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my man. Just admit it. egg on your face. It’s ok. It happens to all of us. If you can’t admit you made a terrible prediction than what can you admit?

I love Ron and am very happy we will have him for 2 more years
 
kyk1827 said:
Nope. Said I thought hed do the corey sanders type of declare then come back which all the kids are doing these days. Hes shit the bed though. But yes, im so so so negative that I thought ron would have a good enough year to get evaluated.... right....
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Not to worry.....you're not negative, you're just a narcisist and an asshole poster when drunk to boot.
 
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Im tellin you guys. Were witnessing the ceiling of a team who is coached by a guy who doesnt coach offense
 
rubjk said:
No we’re witnessing what a team last in 3 point shooting looks like. 50% from the field isn’t poor offense. Add a very good 3 pointer to our team and it’s good for 6-10 points a game.
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But what are we going to do to generate that 3 pt shooter looks? We have guys who can drill 3’s, we simply dont get them good looks, were doing nothing creative and not designing open looks
 
kyk1827 said:
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No we’re witnessing what a team last in 3 point shooting looks like. 50% from the field isn’t poor offense. Add a very good 3 pointer to our team and it’s good for 6-10 points a game.
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But what are we going to do to generate that 3 pt shooter looks? We have guys who can drill 3’s, we simply dont get them good looks, were doing nothing creative and not designing open looks
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You don’t average 70 points a game with an awful offense.
 
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But what are we going to do to generate that 3 pt shooter looks? We have guys who can drill 3’s, we simply dont get them good looks, were doing nothing creative and not designing open looks
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I have watched them in practice on designed plays running multiple screens to get guys open

We have missed so many good WIDE OPEN looks the past few games alone. Does that mean we cant improve offensively? No. We need to.

But you're trying to force fit your narrative because that's what you do.
 
SirScarlet said:
I have watched them in practice on designed plays running multiple screens to get guys open

We have missed so many good WIDE OPEN looks the past few games alone. Does that mean we cant improve offensively? No. We need to.

But you're trying to force fit your narrative because that's what you do.
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Why dont they do it in games then? Disagree about us missing so many wide open looks. We miss open looks like other teams, sure. But we dont generate nearly the quantity of those looks other teams do.

and if you think were missing so many wide open looks, why is that? And how do we improve it?
 
kyk1827 said:
Why dont they do it in games then? Disagree about us missing so many wide open looks. We miss open looks like other teams, sure. But we dont generate nearly the quantity of those looks other teams do.

and if you think were missing so many wide open looks, why is that? And how do we improve it?
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They DO do it in games...thus my point of you force fitting your narrative

We get it...this team isn't Loyola Marymount of the 90s (you might have to look that up) but you peacocking about Pike hitting a ceiling is fkng absurd man.
 
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SirScarlet said:
They DO do it in games...thus my point of you force fitting your narrative

We get it...this team isn't Loyola Marymount of the 90s (you might have to look that up) but you peacocking about Pike hitting a ceiling is fkng absurd man.
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Can you pull up a game where we ran multiple screens to get a 3pt look and when?
 
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