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Get used to this: Steve Pikiell Team’s, High Floor, Low Ceiling

Im tellin you guys. Were witnessing the ceiling of a team who is coached by a guy who doesnt coach offense

We don’t have shooters dude. How many contested and tough shots did Wisky make today. You stick 1-2 of those guys on this team and we win that game by 15 +.

Pikiell does need to do a better job recruiting.
 
We don’t have shooters dude. How many contested and tough shots did Wisky make today. You stick 1-2 of those guys on this team and we win that game by 15 +.

Pikiell does need to do a better job recruiting.
Right but his recruiting philosophy is to find guys who can 1st play defense. And he shouts from rooftops he doesnt want to shoot alot of 3’s and prefers to get to the rim. He might be lost in 80’s 90’s basketball is my fear. So what is he doing to fix this glaring issue? Frankly i dont think anything
 
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They DO do it in games...thus my point of you force fitting your narrative

We get it...this team isn't Loyola Marymount of the 90s (you might have to look that up) but you peacocking about Pike hitting a ceiling is fkng absurd man.
It's not just absurd, it's moronic. Kyk has zero understanding of statistics, as he proved in his stupid thread about offensive efficiency being "better" last year and anyone who plots our wins during the Pike era, especially in the B1G (where the competition varies less annually than OOC), would be nuts to think that we've hit a ceiling. From 1 in Jordan's last year to 3 in 16/17 to 4 in 17/18 (counting 2 in the tourney) to 7 in 18/19 to 9, so far in 19/20. Doesn't guarantee we'll win more next year, but I think it's reasonable to think we will with most of our team back. And even if we're at his ceiling now, I'm guessing most of us would be far happier with teams that are around 0.500 in the B1G as a ceiling than what we've had for most of the last 30 years.
 
Pike has been great for the program. He’s a standup guy, is a good defensive coach and his players play hard for him. He brought the program up from the worst coach ever to the brink of the NCAAs. He also recruits “under the radar kids” well. However, he is an absolutely horrible offensive coach, his substitutions are questionable at best, and his overall recruiting is weak. None of the negatives outweigh the positives.
 
The irony of this thread is Schiano has always been offensively deficient. Just curious what your comments on him are going to be like the first sign of trouble on O from our football team
 
Right but his recruiting philosophy is to find guys who can 1st play defense. And he shouts from rooftops he doesnt want to shoot alot of 3’s and prefers to get to the rim. He might be lost in 80’s 90’s basketball is my fear. So what is he doing to fix this glaring issue? Frankly i dont think anything

Btw...you are wrong here AGAIN (shocker)

He has definitely gone after players who were scorers but we didn't get them. So you're going to criticize him for landing players who are strong defensively as well?

Baker and McConnell were recruited for their defense? And Mulcahy?

Lol...where do you come up with this garbage
 
I compare this style to the Cincinnati teams with mic Cronin who would play blood and guts basketball that emphasized rebounding and defense . Those teams made the tourneys all the time but league wasn’t as good as ours
 
The irony of this thread is Schiano has always been offensively deficient. Just curious what your comments on him are going to be like the first sign of trouble on O from our football team

Schiano has never been a good offensive coach and I don’t expect that to change. He’s a good defensive coach and a better recruiter “relatively speaking” than Pike. Schiano’s biggest asset is his personality and his knowledge of navigating the BS that is Rutgers and New Jersey.
 
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I compare this style to the Cincinnati teams with mic Cronin who would play blood and guts basketball that emphasized rebounding and defense . Those teams made the tourneys all the time but league wasn’t as good as ours
The thing that held those Cincinnati teams back was stone age offense. Cronin never figured out that end of the court.
 
Exactly . That’s kinda of like us . I’d take making the NCAAs every year though
 
Btw...you are wrong here AGAIN (shocker)

He has definitely gone after players who were scorers but we didn't get them. So you're going to criticize him for landing players who are strong defensively as well?

Baker and McConnell were recruited for their defense? And Mulcahy?

Lol...where do you come up with this garbage
Pike has been quoted he looks for kids that can play D when he recruits. Looks theres people like me that can look at things objectively then theres people like you who believe pike can do no wrong
 
Exactly . That’s kinda of like us . I’d take making the NCAAs every year though
Half of our rotation can't hit 2 consecutive uncontested 15 foot free throws. You can't expect to consistently knock down threes. Those who don't think Pike hasn't tried to recruit premier shooters are drunk
 
Pike has been quoted he looks for kids that can play D when he recruits. Looks theres people like me that can look at things objectively then theres people like you who believe pike can do no wrong

Keep deflecting

While I am all in on Pike, there are several things Pike can do better. I am not trying to shout that down.

What's moronic is you saying our coach who is in the running for NATIONAL COACH OF THE YEAR has hit his ceiling offensively.

But carry on peacock.
 
321st in the nation in 3 point percentage. To make a jump, we need to improve there big time. In the year 2020, you have to be better from deep. Also need to get more out of the 5 with Myles fading hard as the season progressed
 
Half of our rotation can't hit 2 consecutive uncontested 15 foot free throws. You can't expect to consistently knock down threes. Those who don't think Pike hasn't tried to recruit premier shooters are drunk
Trying aint gonna cut it.
 
I have addressed what I am about to say on other threads...but it’s relevamt here

Part of the issue is that we are built kinda funny

We really have one shooting guard (Mathis)...and he really is a swingman type (more small forward slasher than pure shooting guard)

Geo is a scoring point guard ...and NOT a shooting guard. Period. If you look at his breakdown, he is so much worse on the wing than on top...and so much better with the ball in his hands. When was the last time he made a shot off ball movement? He doesn’t

Jacob is Also a scoring point guard’s and needs to have the ball in his hands. His three ball has been a major disappointment for us this year. But he is not a 2 guard

Mulchay is a point guard ...a point forward ...but not a shooting guard

Caleb also is a point guard and offensive production cones from when the ball starts in his hands. He could be a shooting guard, but he reallt needs to work on strength to get off screens

Picture if we had Jerome Coleman or Eli Carter at the two playing with baker, yeboah, Harper and Johnson. We would be pretty good with a 15 ppg shooting guard capable of hitting 35-37 from three in volume
 
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Pike has been quoted he looks for kids that can play D when he recruits. Looks theres people like me that can look at things objectively then theres people like you who believe pike can do no wrong

when you are recruiting kids 3 or 4 years ago that would consider Rutgers, they obviously had holes in their game. You gotta prioritize somewhere. I'd assume the hope is as Rutgers improves the recruits they can get in with improves and then you can find kids that can play D but can also shoot the ball. Recruits that are great on defense and can shoot and score and pass the ball tend to be 5 star recruits that everybody wants.
 
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Right but his recruiting philosophy is to find guys who can 1st play defense. And he shouts from rooftops he doesnt want to shoot alot of 3’s and prefers to get to the rim. He might be lost in 80’s 90’s basketball is my fear. So what is he doing to fix this glaring issue? Frankly i dont think anything

Kyk, what glaring issue can he fix right now with recruiting? we have two weeks left in the season.

If you think pikiell won’t take 5 5 star players because they don’t defend you are crazy...

Piekiell would take that in a heartbeat. The problem is RUTGERS!! You keep on posting as if you are the smartest guy in the room but seem to forget one simple important point. WE ARE RUTGERS. 5* players don’t want the RAC they want brand new state of the art, they want teams with tradition not a final four in 76 and a NCAA tournement in1991...

You talk offense but we don’t have one player who would start at Wisconsin never mind Maryland or Michigan state....

come on man use that head of yours and turn off those blinders
 
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Oh wow THANK YOU!!I finally realize what former poster(s) this guy has reminded me of the last few years lol!
No! You can't drop that and walk. Who is it?

So excited for this to get bumped every time we go cold for the next 5 years
Me too! This thread has everything! Hot takes, drama, and more catfights than Skip and Stephen A ever had!

Trying aint gonna cut it.
When the team has been a laughingstock for an entire generation, it takes time and success for recruiting to recover. Same happened with Schiano 1.0. We're already seeing it. Harper's class is the best one since Mike Rice's class with Eli Carter, Myles Mack and those guys. Mulcahy was a steal.
Now, seeing real improvement and player development, coupled with brand new state of the art facilities will pay dividends.
 
The style that pike plays is a style that gives you a really high floor because you play balls to the wall every possession every night and that always gives you a chance in the case a team has an off night or doesnt have their legs. However, him totally ignoring offense and analytics and still treating the game like it’s the 80’s will keep the ceiling very low, in fact I think this year right now is just about the ceiling.

the reason we go into long scoring droughts is because when you dont run an offense the only thing you can rely on is your guys winning one on one matchups and often times just playing one on one leads to lower % shots later in the shot clock.
If teams prevent us from getting out and running this happens alot.

love pike, think hes a great guy but he really needs to just do some soul searching and realize offensive basketball isnt his thing and he needs to bring in an offensive mind as an assistant. Ideally its done this off-season so he can take his next step as a coach and RU’s next step as a program
OP Kinda nailed this
 
Kyk, I don't know how you can say this is Pike's peak. We are still a bad 3 point shooting team. You don't think it's possible we find some better shooters at any point? Incoming class? Transfer? Or that the current players shoot it better next season? I bet Geo and Harper shoot a better percentage next year from 3, Young too

Also, what about recruiting? This is the first year Rutgers hasn't been a bottom team in the league. We are in the B1G. New practice facility. All 3 incoming recruits seem to be able to shoot it a bit. Pike will now have a full year to recruit after a winning season, national ranking, etc. You don't think that should lead to a good class next season?
It was the peak
 
People in the thread came at me with all the smoke. Now they shall stand in the fire

You made this thread before he made 3 NCAAs in a row, not exactly the kind of prescient post you thought it was - though not quite the same winner your Jonathan Taylor prediction was.

Kind of funny how you quoted the OP as if it wasn’t you - and as if no one would recognize the big mouthed, small brained, self congratulatory tone.
 
People in the thread came at me with all the smoke. Now they shall stand in the fire
It's honestly impressive how often numbers lectures and mocks people for how stupid they are in a thread (really any thread) and then it gets bumped and he was completely wrong and vanishes. I got a chuckle out of his last post ITT and I am not trying to pile on the guy.
 
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You made this thread before he made 3 NCAAs in a row, not exactly the kind of prescient post you thought it was - though not quite the same winner your Jonathan Taylor prediction was.

Kind of funny how you quoted the OP as if it wasn’t you - and as if no one would recognize the big mouthed, small brained, self congratulatory tone.

I had no idea this was the reborn KYK.
I don't remember the Jonathon Taylor prediction.

Doubt we'll see the "Say Goodbye. RHJ is a 1st round draft pick and leaving for the. NBA" during his sophomore year.
Note: RHJ stayed did not in fact early and was not drafted.
 
You made this thread before he made 3 NCAAs in a row, not exactly the kind of prescient post you thought it was - though not quite the same winner your Jonathan Taylor prediction was.

Kind of funny how you quoted the OP as if it wasn’t you - and as if no one would recognize the big mouthed, small brained, self congratulatory tone.
Yet this was his best team
 
I had no idea this was the reborn KYK.
I don't remember the Jonathon Taylor prediction.

Doubt we'll see the "Say Goodbye. RHJ is a 1st round draft pick and leaving for the. NBA" during his sophomore year.
Note: RHJ stayed did not in fact early and was not drafted.

When JT flipped to Wisconsin he said he was terrible and that he’d never hack it in D1. He’s currently the 3rd highest paid RB in the NFL.
 
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When JT flipped to Wisconsin he said he was terrible and that he’d never hack it in D1. He’s currently the 3rd highest paid RB in the NFL.
Never said that exactly. What I did say was that we wouldnt miss him and wasnt sure how group 1 salem would translate to big ten. And then prior to him ever taking a college snap I started a threading taking back that comment. But youre trying to change the topic here for a reason
 
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