GS was good enough to turn what ash turned into ashes into something mediocre, and that will likely never get past the big 4-6 top teams in the conference. No fancy field house is going to fix that. RU does not spend to a level commensurate with its competition…so it is always fighting from behind. There is the chance of catching lightning in a bottle from time to time, but that’s not a process, that’s luck.
Proven what in 15 years ? He’s proven he’s a football outcast. Quick NFL fire, UT fiasco, sent packing from OSU…
Add to that every coach in the NFL knowing that players from our program are well prepared for work at the next level. And team oriented.
stop, this is flat out retarded
I don't remember that argument, but I agree with you that it is a false argument.
Definitely maybe is the correct answer. Any realistic person would recognize how long the first rebuild took 2000 to 2005, and the current rebuild is no easier. The only caveat I have is that if RU had hired Mike Leach or an air raid offense disciple, perhaps the offense would be further along, but then maybe the defense would be worse.
Nick is right, that was a huge part of the argument regarding recruiting
Lol that’s got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have heard. No one wants the team to continue to suck so they feel better about themselves
Oh I do believe there are a handful. They want to see the team fail so they can say that they were right all along about GS.
Sorry to say I believe it. Remember I'm talking about posters. They maybe non RU trolls but they're here.
I don’t think any rutgers fans really wants us to lose. When I predicted ash would get us smashed , I sure as hell wanted to be wrong and not be subjected to that transpired.
I hear you but even those of us who vehemently disagree on Greg's approach and abilities are here because we love RU and want her to succeed. I'd be ecstatic if Greg made us a perennial power but I don't see him as the 'savior'. I pray I'm wrong
Clearly an awful lot of our fans simply have lost all confidence in the coach and don't believe he'll ever get better than mediocre, if that good--and by mediocre I don't even mean 6-6 or 7-5 with 3 or 4 wins in conference and occasional wins over Penn State or a good Wisconsin team or Michigan, but more like 2 wins in conference, with 3 in a good year, all against bad teams, and the rest of the wins against downy soft OOC competition. The bare minimum of mediocrity, a step above bad. As such, they're not interested in a small uptick in play on the field because that wouldn't portend much. "Great, we're on our way to (dull) wins over Temple, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Illinois, Norfolk State and Michigan State in a bad year (and a** kickings from everyone else) and a 4th rate bowl...forever."
IDK about that. Did some deep sea fishing. Sure, the overwhelming fan favorite was Greg. But others offered alternatives.
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Hey how did I get involved in this? 😉IDK about that. Did some deep sea fishing. Sure, the overwhelming fan favorite was Greg. But others offered alternatives.
@RUScrew85 and others were not in that camp:
Politi Nails It - RU Kills Big-Time Football Dream with Greg Schiano Fiasco
wow... https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2019/11/white-flag-not-white-smoke-rutgers-kills-big-time-football-dream-with-greg-schiano-fiasco-politi.html
Politi Nails It - RU Kills Big-Time Football Dream with Greg Schiano Fiasco
wow... https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2019/11/white-flag-not-white-smoke-rutgers-kills-big-time-football-dream-with-greg-schiano-fiasco-politi.html
This guy had a really excellent take:
Serious question
With what Schiano was asking for, on the timeline he wanted, would you be willing to sacrifice other sports and projects to have gotten him? This is what it came down to. Is football worth cutting the legs out of other sports? Right now we just don't have the money at Rutgers to upgrade...
No love for Al Golden (some love, actually):
Fleck?
PJ Fleck - He's Rolling Again! Is He Our Next Man?
I know he is a little hokey, but he is the reigning MAC Coach of The Year....currently has W. Michigan at 5-3....and on a 4 game winning streak. He's 4-0 in conference (a true test, against peer schools.) Two of his 3 losses this year are: Michigan State - L 34-27 Ohio State - L 12-38 They...
Also, very good point that 4 years ago, his salary was one of the lowest 4 in the B1G, and regardless of the narrative on what/who killed the 2.0 deal in the first round, there were probably not a lot of candidates lined up to take the job at what Rutgers as offering, except testimony from Bielema in his lawsuit against Arkansas indicated he may have been runner up:
Politi Nails It - RU Kills Big-Time Football Dream with Greg Schiano Fiasco
If Hobbs killed this, then his fundraising success is not enough to keep him. This is Fred Gruninger level screw up !!! No
Butch Jones love and hate:
Butch Jones being interviewed
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/2019/11/rutgers-interviews-former-tennessee-coach-butch-jones-for-head-coaching-vacancy.html go
Hire Butch!
His resume runs circles around Schiano Butch has been much more accomplished then Schiano Jones Head coaching record Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP° Central Michigan Chippewas (Mid-American Conference) (2007–2009) 2007 Central Michigan 8–6 7–1 1st (West) L...
Butch Jones
Would you all put your pitch forks away if he was the hire? Yes, he’s not schiano but you can’t argue his resume. Well maybe you can here.
Moorhead and Hafley?
You and @MrsScrew seemed to be at odds during this tense period. Mrs. Shift did not pay attention and barely listened to my daily updates on the drama unfold. Maybe my posts say otherwise, but my recollection is that I was fine with Greg being hired, but if RU and Greg could not come to agreement, someone else could have come in and done a fine job. Not sure if the Bielema runner up rumors are true, but wonder how that would have went. While last year was ugly for football, there were lots of things that contributed, the biggest probably being both Vedral and Gavin getting injured. I'm mildly optimistic that we are on the right path.
IIRC that was kinda my position. I'm not a huge Schiano fan anymore but I think he was the best the RU admin was going to pay for. I'm mildly hopeful right now. This year will be big but I fear Wimsatt won't get it done - and that's on Greg's recruiting if Wim fails.
Misjudged his talent or they haven’t developed him properly?
Oh lord, we are back to the sky-is-falling types calling themselves the "realists" while saying anyone who recognizes the value of GS is too hopeful and is Polyana.
perception can be influenced on how the media covers a program and can make the program slow improvement look like the program is a failure or ignore the improvement completely.
Please try not to use that word … this board had several posters who several (2) years ago made it their personal crusade. And the actual word the offender used was not used in the wrong context.I will always call out the educated idiots who hate the guy. One in particular who is around Schiano’s age and area where he was raised. Coincidence? I think not.
Ahhhh … did Greg steal your lunch money .?
I don’t hate the person. I hate the coaching incompetence/ 1950 philosophy/ undeserved contract.
Lol are you his agent? You get sand in your v when anyone criticizes him. Get it through your skull: his team was #99 in Year 3. That's terrible. Maybe they improve this year, maybe not. But that sucks after 3 years.
Our scoring defense ranked 95th in the nation last year…. You call that badass???
