Holloway not going to Yale

[Knight Shift]

I think Holloway is doing a fine job, he may have been at the right place at the right time. The hospital alliance might have been agreed upon before his arrival and the ranking increase was due to the US News change In methodology (taking into account cost benefits more). I know many think he handled the pro Palestinian protest badly but I think he did a good job. Ratings will continue to improve with more selective students attending Rutgers. Rutgers will do well if he stays or if he goes.

Overall, Holloway gets high marks. Yes, he may be riding Barchi's coat tails with the med school merger, but Barchi seemed just awful at everything else, and he hated Athletics. As a complete President, President Holloway way better than Barchi. He may be the best RU president since Ed Bloustein. Are there some things that people are not going to like on sensitive issues such as the protests that occurred at many universities and some other politically charged issues? Sure, but just like anyone else in life, when do you find yourself in 100% agreement with someone else on EVERYTHING.

On the whole, President Holloway is a great university President. And he is also a humble, cool guy, who is fun to talk to. Just comes across as a regular guy, and he is willing to listen to your concerns.

 

[RUPete]

Unless the family has the $, do a two year school first then transfer. Don’t take out the loans for the first two years of college.

You can do that now. County colleges and Rutgers are better aligned now. When I went to college, you would get crushed on credits when transferring from a county college.

 

[vkj91]

Does this include housing costs?

No

 

[vkj91]

He's way off and he has yet to say where he is getting his numbers from. I linked the Rutgers web page.

I’m not way off. “Fees” are part of tuition. If you don’t pay the fees then you don’t go to school. They can make believe it’s not tuition but if it’s mandatory to attend then it’s Tuition.

 

[bigmatt718]

You can do that now. County colleges and Rutgers are better aligned now. When I went to college, you would get crushed on credits when transferring from a county college.

Yep. NJ in state community college credits today are almost all transferable to RU. When I was a student 20 years ago, that wasn't the case.

 

[RU205]

No.

On campus housing and tuition will run about $32,000/year.

This is accurate. My daughter just finished her freshman year and I paid about $32k all in. She lived in a dorm on Cook, took a total of 32 credits and paid all fees and a full meal plan. We didn’t take the school health insurance.

Compare the $32k to other school:
A few examples.
Penn State was $50k+
U Del was $50K+
TCNJ was also more expensive.

Rutgers is worth it compared to its north east peers but overall the cost of college in the US is unsustainable.

 

[BuggsyRU]

2024 the national average of $11,560 for in state schools. Rutgers is over 16,000. So it is overpriced for a state school.

Rutgers is not an “average” state school, so they shouldn’t be charging an “average” tuition.

In-state tuitions BIG (RU is right in line with)

Penn State $18,898
Michigan $16,736
Rutgers (NB) $16,263
Minnesota $15,859
Illinois $15,714
Michigan St $15,372
Oregon $15,054


Other in-state tuition outside of BIG

College of William and Mary $23,970
PITT $21,080
UVA $20,342
UCONN $19,434
TCNJ $17,978

https://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/rank/public-colleges/most-expensive-in-state-tuition/?page=8

 

[Luvscarletknights]

This is accurate. My daughter just finished her freshman year and I paid about $32k all in. She lived in a dorm on Cook, took a total of 32 credits and paid all fees and a full meal plan. We didn’t take the school health insurance.

Compare the $32k to other school:
A few examples.
Penn State was $50k+
U Del was $50K+
TCNJ was also more expensive.

Rutgers is worth it compared to its north east peers but overall the cost of college in the US is unsustainable.

My son is Junior at Cook as well. Thus the reason I know cost and agree with your affordability assessment. I do suggest sciences to avoid most of the political brain washing.

 

[Knight Shift]

I’m not way off. “Fees” are part of tuition. If you don’t pay the fees then you don’t go to school. They can make believe it’s not tuition but if it’s mandatory to attend then it’s Tuition.

Well, sport, the discussion you started was about "tuition" and not fees. Here's an update including fees, and you are still wrong, except for University of Maryland.

Rutgers: $17,239
Maryland: $12,919 ($15,919 for Jrs/Srs) (I had their number wrong in my post above)
UVA: $19,422
Penn State: $20,355 ($25,667 for Jr/Sr)
UConn (not really major research) $21,044

 

[bigmatt718]

Rutgers is not an “average” state school, so they shouldn’t be charging an “average” tuition.

In-state tuitions BIG (RU is right in line with)

Penn State $18,898
Michigan $16,736
Rutgers (NB) $16,263
Minnesota $15,859
Illinois $15,714
Michigan St $15,372
Oregon $15,054


Other in-state tuition outside of BIG

College of William and Mary $23,970
PITT $21,080
UVA $20,342
UCONN $19,434
TCNJ $17,978

https://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/rank/public-colleges/most-expensive-in-state-tuition/?page=8

Imagine dropping almost 20 grand a year to attend that clown college in Storrs, CT. And why is Bill & Mary so high? They're a solid school and all but UVA destroys them academically and they don't have successful athletics to draw other VA students away from schools like JMU or VT.

 

[rucoe89]

That’s good news. He has presided of a big move in the USNWR rankings upgrade for Rutgers, so that is a good metric for me to think he’s doing a good job.

Agreed. He is good for the institution. Even if he may not be happy being here (not sure if rumor or actually true) he is doing a good job and will be further incentivized to improve university performance so that he is a hot ticket to land at an Ivy or Ivy caliber school as a next stop.

 

[rucoe89]

I’m going through the college search for my son and Rutgers is not overpriced. Instead it seems very reasonable

A lot of state schools coast to coast are reasonably priced. Even those tagged as "expensive" are a bargain compared to almost any private school tuition.

 

[RUPete]

Agreed. He is good for the institution. Even if he may not be happy being here (not sure if rumor or actually true) he is doing a good job and will be further incentivized to improve university performance so that he is a hot ticket to land at an Ivy or Ivy caliber school as a next stop.

I don’t know if it was so much unhappiness as it was having the chance at a career “capstone” job. Then again, some of the university and NJ politics here can drive out many good people.

 

[WasatRutgers]

Hope he gets in Rutgers is so much harder to get into right now than it’s ever been. Check into TCNJ as it’s also a great school here in NJ.

I hate to say this, but race has become a factor over the years. Here’s the breakdown, which seems out of whack with the state’s population, which I think is the most fair target:

• Among the most ethnically diverse campuses in the nation and Big Ten, universitywide demographics (full-time enrollment) are:
  • African American: 9.2%
  • American Indian: 0.1%
  • Asian: 26.9%
  • Hawaiian: 0.1%
  • Hispanic: 17.0%
  • International: 9.8%
  • Other: 2.0%
  • Two or More: 3.5%
  • White: 31.5%
    
    Figures reflect rounding. Source: Office of Institutional Research and Academic Planning

 

[rucoe89]

Unless the family has the $, do a two year school first then transfer. Don’t take out the loans for the first two years of college.

Community / Junior College strategy is a very good one for those that have some financial challenges for 4 years for 4-year colleges. Lots of successful folks have gone that route.

 

[rucoe89]

I don’t if it was so much unhappiness as it was having the chance at a career “capstone” job. Then again, some of university and NJ politics here can drive out many good people.

I think capstone may be fine. Means he is driven. Good for him and good for us. Also given how easy it is in today's world to shine a spotlight on things, these jobs are getting tougher and tougher to execute for those in these positions. Many who criticize would quickly crack if they were in the same circumstances.

 

[mdk01]

I hate to say this, but race has become a factor over the years. Here’s the breakdown, which seems out of whack with the state’s population, which I think is the most fair target:

• Among the most ethnically diverse campuses in the nation and Big Ten, universitywide demographics (full-time enrollment) are:
  • African American: 9.2%
  • American Indian: 0.1%
  • Asian: 26.9%
  • Hawaiian: 0.1%
  • Hispanic: 17.0%
  • International: 9.8%
  • Other: 2.0%
  • Two or More: 3.5%
  • White: 31.5%
    
    Figures reflect rounding. Source: Office of Institutional Research and Academic Planning

The state population breakdown/demographics is NOT the most fair target. I say this based on my being a member of an underrepresented group.

 

[WasatRutgers]

The state population breakdown/demographics is NOT the most fair target. I say this based on my being a member of an underrepresented group.

Ok, what would be fair in your view?

 

[NealPageNJ]

Community / Junior College strategy is a very good one for those that have some financial challenges for 4 years for 4-year colleges. Lots of successful folks have gone that route.

When one gets the Rutgers degree or any other college degree it does not say Rutgers University after XXCC.

 

[NealPageNJ]

I think Holloway is doing a fine job, he may have been at the right place at the right time. The hospital alliance might have been agreed upon before his arrival and the ranking increase was due to the US News change In methodology (taking into account cost benefits more). I know many think he handled the pro Palestinian protest badly but I think he did a good job. Ratings will continue to improve with more selective students attending Rutgers. Rutgers will do well if he stays or if he goes.

Holloway’s best feature is he presents well in public. He’s a fantastic speaker. As a leader he’s rather weak. Especially in critical events when public pressure is on:

- He let the faculty walk all over him during the strike. Did not hold faculty accountable for policy violations and unprofessional conduct during the strike.

- He walked out of his own “town hall” with his own security after he invited Jewish students to state their concerns. Once the agitators started to target the Jewish students, he left, and left them with nowhere to go. Instead of standing up to the mob, as a leader would do he found the side door. Jewish students had to eventually be escorted out of the building and some protected back to their own personal residency.

- To date he has not held faculty accountable for their actions during the encampment. Policy violations and professional ethics violations were evident. No consequences as of yet.

- Holloway apologizing for his statement condemning antisemitism on campus in 2021. The infamous statement and then follow up statements on the statements.

 

[mdk01]

Ok, what would be fair in your view?

Grades, test scores, athletics and other extracurriculars, teacher recommendations and what they did with the opportunities they had. I would not hold an inner city kid to the same SAT scores that I would an applicant from Ridgewood or Rumson. Whatever that produces as far as the student population breakdown.

 

[NealPageNJ]

Overall, Holloway gets high marks. Yes, he may be riding Barchi's coat tails with the med school merger, but Barchi seemed just awful at everything else, and he hated Athletics. As a complete President, President Holloway way better than Barchi. He may be the best RU president since Ed Bloustein. Are there some things that people are not going to like on sensitive issues such as the protests that occurred at many universities and some other politically charged issues? Sure, but just like anyone else in life, when do you find yourself in 100% agreement with someone else on EVERYTHING.

On the whole, President Holloway is a great university President. And he is also a humble, cool guy, who is fun to talk to. Just comes across as a regular guy, and he is willing to listen to your concerns.

Great speaker. Smart and interesting. Poor leadership.

 

[rutgersdave]

I hate to say this, but race has become a factor over the years. Here’s the breakdown, which seems out of whack with the state’s population, which I think is the most fair target:

• Among the most ethnically diverse campuses in the nation and Big Ten, universitywide demographics (full-time enrollment) are:
  • African American: 9.2%
  • American Indian: 0.1%
  • Asian: 26.9%
  • Hawaiian: 0.1%
  • Hispanic: 17.0%
  • International: 9.8%
  • Other: 2.0%
  • Two or More: 3.5%
  • White: 31.5%
    
    Figures reflect rounding. Source: Office of Institutional Research and Academic Planning

The Asian race at Rutgers is much higher than the state % but this is true with all the Ivy League schools. Harvard recent class is 29% Asians after the discrimination ruling. Funny, Univ of Texas has a high % of Asians 22% and only 33% whites and they don’t have as many Asians in that state.

 

[RU205]

Imagine dropping almost 20 grand a year to attend that clown college in Storrs, CT. And why is Bill & Mary so high? They're a solid school and all but UVA destroys them academically and they don't have successful athletics to draw other VA students away from schools like JMU or VT.

The daughter of my co worker was deciding between UVA and U of Florida.
UVA out of state is $75k all in.
UofF in state is $17k. She got in state costs because her grandparents live in Florida.

She decision on Florida.

 

[Loyal_2RU]

He testified to that today. No other discussion.

He was never going. Yale preferred a specific someone over him so if they went in the direction towards him he would be their second choice. At least that's what I was told by someone in a position to have insight.

 

[rucoe89]

The Asian race at Rutgers is much higher than the state % but this is true with all the Ivy League schools. Harvard recent class is 29% Asians after the discrimination ruling. Funny, Univ of Texas has a high % of Asians 22% and only 33% whites and they don’t have as many Asians in that state.

The classification of Asians is misleading. It includes the Far East and Indian Subcontinent. Very little in common between those two groupings. South Asians have more in common with the middle East than with the Far East.

 

[rucoe89]

Holloway’s best feature is he presents well in public. He’s a fantastic speaker. As a leader he’s rather weak. Especially in critical events when public pressure is on:

- He let the faculty walk all over him during the strike. Did not hold faculty accountable for policy violations and unprofessional conduct during the strike.

- He walked out of his own “town hall” with his own security after he invited Jewish students to state their concerns. Once the agitators started to target the Jewish students, he left, and left them with nowhere to go. Instead of standing up to the mob, as a leader would do he found the side door. Jewish students had to eventually be escorted out of the building and some protected back to their own personal residency.

- To date he has not held faculty accountable for their actions during the encampment. Policy violations and professional ethics violations were evident. No consequences as of yet.

Every leader is not perfect at everything. I worked with some top leaders for whom I could point to weaknesses. I've worked with weak leaders who have their moments of strength. It's the overall package over a period of time and not select incidents. Most of the population never understands that because most aren't built for really tough leadership roles. It is not easy being a leader, especially when competing factions must be balanced. It also takes time to get true results. Some go up fast but plateau and sink faster. Other start slow and rocket thereafter. Here, Holloway is early on his journey and still going up the ramp. He may ramp or may later plateau. As of now I don't see him as having plateaued.

 

[RUPete]

Every leader is not perfect at everything. I worked with some top leaders for whom I could point to weaknesses. I've worked with weak leaders who have their moments of strength. It's the overall package over a period of time and not select incidents. Most of the population never understands that because most aren't build for really tough leadership roles. It is not easy being a leader, especially when competing factions must be balanced. It also takes time to get true results. Some go up fast but plateau and sink faster. Other start slow and rocket thereafter. Here, Holloway is early on his journey and still going up the ramp. He may ramp or may later plateau. As of now I don't see him as having plateaued.

I agree and don’t bother with the clown show agenda on here, you’re smarter than them.

 

[rucoe89]

I agree and don’t bother with the clown show agenda on here, you’re smarter than them.

Thanks - doesn't bother me. Just trying to provide folks perspective because it seems like in the hyper social media forums world a lot of folks have lost that and just cling to their tribal messaging talking points.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

Grades, test scores, athletics and other extracurriculars, teacher recommendations and what they did with the opportunities they had. I would not hold an inner city kid to the same SAT scores that I would an applicant from Ridgewood or Rumson. Whatever that produces as far as the student population breakdown.

Grades and test scores? My son has an advantage of having the ability to have any type of paid tutoring that he needs. He had a tutor for Geometry in 7th grade and because he gave a crap and the tutor he was able to crush this class. This is an example of how the rich get richer. The inner city kid getting an A in geometry is much more impressive IMO. That kid probably has no help whatsoever but finds a way to get it done. This is just one example of many. It’s not the just the SAT. When it’s my son’s time for the SAT he will get the best help that I can afford. It’s not a fair system for the underprivileged and many want to keep it that way.

 

[NealPageNJ]

Every leader is not perfect at everything. I worked with some top leaders for whom I could point to weaknesses. I've worked with weak leaders who have their moments of strength. It's the overall package over a period of time and not select incidents. Most of the population never understands that because most aren't build for really tough leadership roles. It is not easy being a leader, especially when competing factions must be balanced. It also takes time to get true results. Some go up fast but plateau and sink faster. Other start slow and rocket thereafter. Here, Holloway is early on his journey and still going up the ramp. He may ramp or may later plateau. As of now I don't see him as having plateaued.

What leadership actions are you referencing here. I think he’s a wonderful speaker. Leadership requires difficult decisions. When difficult decisions arise it seems he disappears or does everything possible to “both sides” his position. It leaves the campus without a compass. There is no culture and expected norms. I see him more as a spokesperson for the board and not a leader.

 

[RU at the shore]

This is accurate. My daughter just finished her freshman year and I paid about $32k all in. She lived in a dorm on Cook, took a total of 32 credits and paid all fees and a full meal plan. We didn’t take the school health insurance.

Compare the $32k to other school:
A few examples.
Penn State was $50k+
U Del was $50K+
TCNJ was also more expensive.

Rutgers is worth it compared to its north east peers but overall the cost of college in the US is unsustainable.

Now I feel even better !!

 

[mdk01]

Grades and test scores? My son has an advantage of having the ability to have any type of paid tutoring that he needs. He had a tutor for Geometry in 7th grade and because he gave a crap and the tutor he was able to crush this class. This is an example of how the rich get richer. The inner city kid getting an A in geometry is much more impressive IMO. That kid probably has no help whatsoever but finds a way to get it done. This is just one example of many. It’s not the just the SAT. When it’s my son’s time for the SAT he will get the best help that I can afford. It’s not a fair system for the underprivileged and many want to keep it that way.

You must have skipped over "what they did with the opportunities they had". But there's a difficult question that needs standardized tests to answer. The inner city kid from a shitty school that gets an A in geometry, does that A show he/she can handle what will be expected at Rutgers? A 675:as opposed your son's 750 would indicate to me a capability of handling it. A 535 is a warning sign, and maybe Rutgers is a step too far.

 

[rubaseball78]

Plus he can field a punt.

 

[UMRU]

It’s New Jersey. Expenses are always going to go up because unions are powerful.

It’s not the unions - it is the 73% fringe benefit rate. A $100k salary costs RU $173K. At Princeton, for example, that same $100k only costs them $137k. At a UC school it only costs $123K

 

[mdk01]

It’s not the unions - it is the 73% fringe benefit rate. A $100k salary costs RU $173K. At Princeton, for example, that same $100k only costs them $137k. At a UC school it only costs $123K

Isn't the 73% fringe rate related to the unions? Could you point to something else?

 

[bigmatt718]

The daughter of my co worker was deciding between UVA and U of Florida.
UVA out of state is $75k all in.
UofF in state is $17k. She got in state costs because her grandparents live in Florida.

She decision on Florida.

UF is a damn fine school. She chose well.

 

[DHajekRC84]

He was never going. Yale preferred a specific someone over him so if they went in the direction towards him he would be their second choice. At least that's what I was told by someone in a position to have insight.

So he was kinda "locked out" of Yale? 😁

 

[AreYouNUTS]

No one is playing the race card.

dude....com'on now

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Holloway’s best feature is he presents well in public. He’s a fantastic speaker. As a leader he’s rather weak. Especially in critical events when public pressure is on:

- He let the faculty walk all over him during the strike. Did not hold faculty accountable for policy violations and unprofessional conduct during the strike.

- He walked out of his own “town hall” with his own security after he invited Jewish students to state their concerns. Once the agitators started to target the Jewish students, he left, and left them with nowhere to go. Instead of standing up to the mob, as a leader would do he found the side door. Jewish students had to eventually be escorted out of the building and some protected back to their own personal residency.

- To date he has not held faculty accountable for their actions during the encampment. Policy violations and professional ethics violations were evident. No consequences as of yet.

- Holloway apologizing for his statement condemning antisemitism on campus in 2021. The infamous statement and then follow up statements on the statements.

Excellent post. Agee on all counts.