How lucky is Kyle Flood?

[JoeRU0304]

There is a shit ton of revisionist history and memory holing in this thread

I think Flood is a top-notch assistant/AHC though what I truly don't get is the 'great/ better game day coach than Schiano' narrative. I always ask 'based on what???' and the answers always seem to be 'beat Michigan', 'won the Big East' or 'beat Arkansas twice' without any further context. From 2012-2015 our record vs. winning teams was 4-19 and our record vs. bowl teams was 6-22. In 2012 we lost at home to Louisville, playing with a fairly-injured QB against our best defensive unit in years, with the BCS bid on the line...and the week prior to that we pretty much no-showed vs a 6-7 Pitt team that could have clinched the Big East title outright and rendered the Louisville result an afterthought. In 2013 we had 0 wins against bowl teams and lost by double-digits in 6 of our 7 losses. 2014 was solid though 4 of our 5 losses were the same blowouts vs. the same teams that people crush Schiano for...and we all know what 2015 looked like.

Joe P.

 

[Pils86]

I think Flood is a top-notch assistant/AHC though what I truly don't get is the 'great/ better game day coach than Schiano' narrative. I always ask 'based on what???' and the answers always seem to be 'beat Michigan', 'won the Big East' or 'beat Arkansas twice' without any further context. From 2012-2015 our record vs. winning teams was 4-19 and our record vs. bowl teams was 6-22. In 2012 we lost at home to Louisville, playing with a fairly-injured QB against our best defensive unit in years, with the BCS bid on the line...and the week prior to that we pretty much no-showed vs a 6-7 Pitt team that could have clinched the Big East title outright and rendered the Louisville result an afterthought. In 2013 we had 0 wins against bowl teams and lost by double-digits in 6 of our 7 losses. 2014 was solid though 4 of our 5 losses were the same blowouts vs. the same teams that people crush Schiano for...and we all know what 2015 looked like.

Joe P.

This is your second post comparing Schiano and Flood on wins vs winning teams, but you are only providing Flood's info. I don't know what Schiano's record is against winning teams. A quick search showed below as the first reference, not going to dig any further, but probably every coach has a worse record against winning teams vs overall, most coaches benefit from lower-level cupcakes to pad their resume.

Greg Schiano, as a head coach, has a 2-26 record against top 25 teams1. Since returning to Rutgers in 2020, he is 0-9 against the Top 253. His record against top-25 teams is the worst in Power Five2.

 

[RU#1fan]

This is your second post comparing Schiano and Flood on wins vs winning teams, but you are only providing Flood's info. I don't know what Schiano's record is against winning teams. A quick search showed below as the first reference, not going to dig any further, but probably every coach has a worse record against winning teams vs overall, most coaches benefit from lower-level cupcakes to pad their resume.

Greg Schiano, as a head coach, has a 2-26 record against top 25 teams1. Since returning to Rutgers in 2020, he is 0-9 against the Top 253. His record against top-25 teams is the worst in Power Five2.

I remember for a stretch Flood had lost like 11 or 12 consecutive games to teams with winning records.

 

[JoeRU0304]

This is your second post comparing Schiano and Flood on wins vs winning teams, but you are only providing Flood's info. I don't know what Schiano's record is against winning teams. A quick search showed below as the first reference, not going to dig any further, but probably every coach has a worse record against winning teams vs overall, most coaches benefit from lower-level cupcakes to pad their resume.

Greg Schiano, as a head coach, has a 2-26 record against top 25 teams1. Since returning to Rutgers in 2020, he is 0-9 against the Top 253. His record against top-25 teams is the worst in Power Five2.

...again, context- this is in response to the 'Flood is a better game day coach than Schiano' argument that gets brought up in these types of threads. Schiano constantly gets lambasted for this. No one is denying that Schiano's record vs. Top 25 teams leaves a lot to be desired; my point is that using the same criteria the 'Flood is a better game day coach' argument is a complete mirage.

Joe P.

 

[bac2therac]

I think Flood is a top-notch assistant/AHC though what I truly don't get is the 'great/ better game day coach than Schiano' narrative. I always ask 'based on what???' and the answers always seem to be 'beat Michigan', 'won the Big East' or 'beat Arkansas twice' without any further context. From 2012-2015 our record vs. winning teams was 4-19 and our record vs. bowl teams was 6-22. In 2012 we lost at home to Louisville, playing with a fairly-injured QB against our best defensive unit in years, with the BCS bid on the line...and the week prior to that we pretty much no-showed vs a 6-7 Pitt team that could have clinched the Big East title outright and rendered the Louisville result an afterthought. In 2013 we had 0 wins against bowl teams and lost by double-digits in 6 of our 7 losses. 2014 was solid though 4 of our 5 losses were the same blowouts vs. the same teams that people crush Schiano for...and we all know what 2015 looked like.

Joe P.

agree and people have to look deeper into some of the losses and what was going on. Boatraced by Cincy and Houston and until a miracle by Nova were going to lose to Temple. Not pulling Nova in the Kent St debacle....blowing the shot at the Orange Bowl by not being able to beat a one legged qb, the failure vs Va Tech in the Champs Bowl. The win over Michigan was nice and memorable but Michigan sucked that year and yes it was a successful 7-5 season but it would quickly blow up. Yet there are posts here that wanted him to stay after the library debacle, getting suspended and the mess with the drug testing. If Julie was competant and they allowed her to make decisions, Flood would have been gone before the USF game. Flood should have been fired immediately after the Princeton incident but Julie was going to canned too so no one could make the decision at that proper time. He ran the program like he was friends with the players and it showed that final year.

 

[ashokan]

The 2010 Rutger’s team’s extremely poor performance could be attributed to a multitude of things with LeGrand’s injury overarching it all. Regardless - on no stratosphere does anything about that one season in isolation demonstrate that Kyle Flood isn’t a good OL coach. It’s literally one single data point amongst many others that suggest the opposite.

RU in 2010 had the worst college football season I ever saw.
The loses, the sacks, the EL tragedy, losing Savage etc people know about.
But people forget RU began the 2010 season in national news for weeks after RU student jumped off GW Bridge.
From Sept on, 2010 was a continuous tsunami of wreckage.
GW was in hospital every night, players like Lefeged had hard time playing again that season.
I thought GS was exhausted by 2010 and wasn't surprised he went to NFL

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

There is a shit ton of revisionist history and memory holing in this thread

I mean - if one were to dig up the strings following Flood’s promotion to OC in name or even right after he was named HC, how many posts do you there were claiming he was a “bad” OL position coach? One has to isolate 2010 and put the blame on him for the disaster that one season became to make that case. It’s one thing to argue his accomplishments were overrated. Quite another to classify him as bad.

RU in 2010 had the worst college football season I ever saw.
The loses, the sacks, the EL tragedy, losing Savage etc people know about.
But people forget RU began the 2010 season in national news for weeks after RU student jumped off GW Bridge.
From Sept on, 2010 was a continuous tsunami of wreckage.
GW was in hospital every night, players like Lefeged had hard time playing again that season.
I thought GS was exhausted by 2010 and wasn't surprised he went to NFL

It was a disaster season but most of that wasn’t Flood’s fault specifically. Certainly not to the point where it makes any logical sense to make that a focal point in defining his career as an OL position coach. At least not if you intend any attempt at being objective.

 

[ashokan]

I mean - if one were to dig up the strings following Flood’s promotion to OC in name or even right after he was named HC, how many posts do you there were claiming he was a “bad” OL position coach? One has to isolate 2010 and put the blame on him for the disaster that one season became to make that case. It’s one thing to argue his accomplishments were overrated. Quite another to classify him as bad.

It was a disaster season but most of that wasn’t Flood’s fault specifically. Certainly not to the point where it makes any logical sense to make that a focal point in defining his career as an OL position coach. At least not if you intend any attempt at being objective.

I see it in the Parcell's way - "you are what your record says you are" and Flood was the OL coach/recruiter for one of the worst lines in D1 (set sacks allowed record). I cant say 2010 was all his fault because I know GS was always sort of cavalier about OL recruiting. He would have to move guys from DL to OL a few times because the OL was lean. Guys like Zuttah and Sosa had the ability to make a lot of coaches look good - like Rice and McCourtys,

The longer I watch RU the more I think RU just got lucky with some recruits in 05-07. Any other season make GS look like a "Coach of the Year" from 06? GS uses 5 year plans to aim for middling team status. "We'll get there" means "We'll get lucky with players again some day."

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

I see it in the Parcell's way - "you are what your record says you are" and Flood was the OL coach/recruiter for one of the worst lines in D1 (set sacks allowed record). I cant say 2010 was all his fault because I know GS was always sort of cavalier about OL recruiting. He would have to move guys from DL to OL a few times because the OL was lean. Guys like Zuttah and Sosa had the ability to make a lot of coaches look good - like Rice and McCourtys,

The longer I watch RU the more I think RU just got lucky with some recruits in 05-07. Any other season make GS look like a "Coach of the Year" from 06? GS uses 5 year plans to aim for middling team status. "We'll get there" means "We'll get lucky with players again some day."

The big picture here is that Kyle Flood has a vast assortment of experience as an OL position coach spanning across 6 different programs dating back to 1995. Your own Parcell’s analogy says he’s done a pretty darn good job on average. And there’s a large data set.

It’s a ridiculous notion to suggest all of that was luck outside of the one bad season a team he coached OL for had. That one season is the real thing and everything else he’s ever done in that role - just luck. Ok sure. Again - at least be objective and consistent.

 

[drewbagel423]

I just quoted a bunch of posts to bring attention to 2010. People conveniently forget that in 2010, KC decided to completely change the offense from a pro-set (which we had used up until then) to a spread style. And it failed miserably because we didn't have the personnel to run it. The primary area was the OL, as all of the starting offensive linemen had been recruited for, and trained for, playing in a pro-set. @yesrutgers01 can probably corroborate me on this, but it was just a horrible decision to think you can throw a switch and now everyone is going to play differently. Especially with the OL, which more than any position group has to play as a unit.

Choosing that year, with our best QB recruit of all time coming off a freshman AA season, to switch to the spread has to be the dumbest decision in RU FB history. Maybe only eclipsed by not moving to the original Big East in the 70s.

 

[ashokan]

The big picture here is that Kyle Flood has a vast assortment of experience as an OL position coach spanning across 6 different programs dating back to 1995. Your own Parcell’s analogy says he’s done a pretty darn good job on average. And there’s a large data set.

It’s a ridiculous notion to suggest all of that was luck outside of the one bad season a team he coached OL for had. That one season is the real thing and everything else he’s ever done in that role - just luck. Ok sure. Again - at least be objective and consistent.

Delaware, CW Post, Hofstra aren't exactly OL machines.
At Texas the team has been 118th (2024) and 80th (2023) and 33rd (2022) for sacks allowed so not exactly head of the pack.
The trend has been downward

Sacks Allowed​

cfbstats.com - 2024 National Team Leaders

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I just quoted a bunch of posts to bring attention to 2010. People conveniently forget that in 2010, KC decided to completely change the offense from a pro-set (which we had used up until then) to a spread style. And it failed miserably because we didn't have the personnel to run it. The primary area was the OL, as all of the starting offensive linemen had been recruited for, and trained for, playing in a pro-set. @yesrutgers01 can probably corroborate me on this, but it was just a horrible decision to think you can throw a switch and now everyone is going to play differently. Especially with the OL, which more than any position group has to play as a unit.

People began complaining about the offense in 2009.. especially after the Syracuse game. Zappaa, for example, bemoaned the OL not firing out... ever.. but instead using teh pro-style stand up and turn your defenders and have the RB find a hole to use. Wiki says it was pro-spread both years and pro-style in 2008.. 2011 back to pro-style.. but 2012, Flood's first year as HC.. Pro-Spread.. 2nd year? 2013.. Pro-Style.. until 216 and Chris Ash with Power-Spread... and GS2.0 years have been listed simply as Spread.

I have no idea who identifies these offenses for Wiki.. but my memory says there was no difference in offensive system between 2009 and 2010... we had the same co-OCs both years.

We also had the QB drop back to a spot 5 yards behind center with his back to the LOS.. not being able to read coverages, blitzes and at 5 yards back he'd either hand off to a waiting RB or fake that and turn to throw.

Syracuse's Doug Marone seemed to be the first to figure this out. He had guys just blitz to that spot over and over and destroyed our offense... despite purging his team of troublemakers just a week or two prior. Short-handed, he destroyed our offense.

I don't think we changed the offense for 2010. I think everyone we played saw that Syracuse result and copied them.. well, everyone in our conference. Oddly enough, IIRC, we didn't look to change things up until the 2010 Syracuse game.. which weeme dot me that we FINALLY looked at that 2009 game and said.. no way we use that O again. And we went to a normal traditional running attack fo that game. Still lost.. but it was close this time.

Now.. now of that addresses whether the OL coaching was good or bad. Others in this thread and earlier have mentioned Legrand injury and how Flood was stuck with the scheme from KC and I have to say it makes more sense to me now after seeing KC as OC these past couple years.

Just look at this bowl game.. came in with a good plan.. well coached so it was executed well.. and then KState adjusted and we could not respond in-game or at halftime.. Just before the half we saw what they were trying to stop the offense and we go into halftime and come out with no response to their blitzes.

He was OL coach and produced NFL talent at Rutgers... and that dried up for some reason even before he became head coach. Bama and Texas did not need him to recruit or do Xs and Os. But he has to be useful to them.. he has to be doing something right.. he makes a good living doing this at top-ranked programs. If they could plug anyone in they wanted to they could probably find reasons to choose someone else... but they chose Flood.

 

[DJ Spanky]

People began complaining about the offense in 2009.. especially after the Syracuse game. Zappaa, for example, bemoaned the OL not firing out... ever.. but instead using teh pro-style stand up and turn your defenders and have the RB find a hole to use. Wiki says it was pro-spread both years and pro-style in 2008.. 2011 back to pro-style.. but 2012, Flood's first year as HC.. Pro-Spread.. 2nd year? 2013.. Pro-Style.. until 216 and Chris Ash with Power-Spread... and GS2.0 years have been listed simply as Spread.

I have no idea who identifies these offenses for Wiki.. but my memory says there was no difference in offensive system between 2009 and 2010... we had the same co-OCs both years.

I don't think we changed the offense for 2010.

It's a fact that we completely transformed the offense in 2010. The father of one of the linemen at the time posts here, and has laid out how completely different the blocking scheme was and how it ill suited those who were on the line.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Delaware, CW Post, Hofstra aren't exactly OL machines.
At Texas the team has been 118th (2024) and 80th (2023) and 33rd (2022) for sacks allowed so not exactly head of the pack.
The trend has been downward

Sacks Allowed​

cfbstats.com - 2024 National Team Leaders

That’s not the only stat that matters and should never be taken in a vaccuum to assess an OL. How about the run and pass blocking? The OL plays a big role in any functional offense and Flood has been the position coach of the OL for many an above average offense. Thats the big picture. There’s no way to manipulate that unless you want to run with the OP’s title and stick with - Flood just got lucky. He’s done this like 20 times - at least 16 of his OLs were above average for their level, only one stands out as very bad and we’ve discussed some sideline stories impacting that year. Thats the big picture. Its one thing to think he’s being over hyped. Quite another to try to argue that he’s been flat out bad at this role. The data just isn’t there to support that view.

 

[ashokan]

That’s not the only stat that matters and should never be taken in a vaccuum to assess an OL. How about the run and pass blocking? The OL plays a big role in any functional offense and Flood has been the position coach of the OL for many an above average offense. Thats the big picture. There’s no way to manipulate that unless you want to run with the OP’s title and stick with - Flood just got lucky. He’s done this like 20 times - at least 16 of his OLs were above average for their level, only one stands out as very bad and we’ve discussed some sideline stories impacting that year. Thats the big picture. Its one thing to think he’s being over hyped. Quite another to try to argue that he’s been flat out bad at this role. The data just isn’t there to support that view.

Texas is a top CFB team that was in the playoffs with Ohio St.
Texas gave up 4 sacks and 9 TFLs - not a sign of a great OL.
Arriving at Texas and taking OL from one of the best in CFB to one of the worst is not a resume highlight.
Pass vs run blocking differences/excuses is the kind of thing RU fans are used to doing.
A great run block OL and poor pass block OL is not a good OL for a top team like Texas
Places like Alabama and Texas don't struggle with recruits so its not like he's working with meatballs.
I'm sure he's a decent coach but I wouldn't trade him with Pat Flaherty

 

[yesrutgers01]

the offense between 09-10 went from more of a hybrid to a full out spread.
At OL the scheme was a bit different but the biggest difference with the OL was the talent and, sorry Howie, if you ever look at the boards, tge Center position. Howard B should never have been at center. He would have been really good at OG or OT.
His shotgun snaps were the slowest I have ever seen.
Savage also had one major fault, he had zero pocket presence.

The reason for the OL decline was because of a couple of things- GS never put a priority on OL. He had years that he would bring in only 1 or 2.
We also had a couple of huge failures as well- Forst just never even wanted to play- he did it for fun but it didn’t drive him. We had a couple of others that also just never lived up to what they could have become.
We did start back to getting a few good OL back into the program- Lumpkin, Nelson, Johnson, Bujari, Muller etc
2010 just happened to be that perfect storm…

But every OL that has played for Flood that has made the NFL will tell you it was all about what he taught them.

 

[Knight Shift]

Texas is a top CFB team that was in the playoffs with Ohio St.
Texas gave up 4 sacks and 9 TFLs - not a sign of a great OL.
Arriving at Texas and taking OL from one of the best in CFB to one of the worst is not a resume highlight.
Pass vs run blocking differences/excuses is the kind of thing RU fans are used to doing.
A great run block OL and poor pass block OL is not a good OL for a top team like Texas
Places like Alabama and Texas don't struggle with recruits so its not like he's working with meatballs.
I'm sure he's a decent coach but I wouldn't trade him with Pat Flaherty

That is some cherry picked statistical analysis to sack a coach- 1 game against one of the best defenses in the country. How about a better statistical sample?

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

That is some cherry picked statistical analysis to sack a coach- 1 game against one of the best defenses in the country. How about a better statistical sample?

One or two games with some isolated stats and a bad 2010 season that fit the narrative he’s after - only those matter.

Let’s completely toss out that fact that in over 20 years as an OL position coach 85-90% of the team he coached for were above average on offense (some elite). Clearly he was just situationally “lucky” 17+ full seasons, and the couple isolated negative stats Ashokan identified are the only meaningful data to represent the population. Makes perfect sense (not).

 

[jsol_05]

Both Flood and Ash are quality assistant coaches. Head coaches were an entirely different story.

Yeah, 👍 f given 26 years as a HC, they would probably only produce one double digit win season, definitely wouldn't be considered a good coach

 

[Knight Shift]

One or two games with some isolated stats and a bad 2010 season that fit the narrative he’s after - only those matter.

Let’s completely toss out that fact that in over 20 years as an OL position coach 85-90% of the team he coached for were above average on offense (some elite). Clearly he was just situationally “lucky” 17+ full seasons, and the couple isolated negative stats Ashokan identified are the only meaningful data to represent the population. Makes perfect sense (not).

And I guess that boneheaded play call by Sark counts against Flood that resulted in Sawyer's strip/sack (maybe it wasn't counted as a sack), but who cares.

/s/ Mrs Flood, or as one poster used to call me, a "Floodie". 🙃

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

And I guess that boneheaded play call by Sark counts against Flood that resulted in Sawyer's strip/sack (maybe it wasn't counted as a sack), but who cares.

/s/ Mrs Flood, or as one poster used to call me, a "Floodie". 🙃

No matter how some folks feel about Flood’s tenure as Rutgers HC, the mistakes he made in that role are largely irrelevant to any assessment of him as an OL position coach. Even guys like Ashokan recognize that much, so instead they pick apart whatever random negatives they can identify throughout his lengthy career as an OL coach.

It’s ridiculous. If one tried, I’m sure they could find a few isolated negative stats to point to under the tenure of any Hall of Fame caliber coach in any sport. Nobody is calling him anything close to a Hall of Famer but clearly he’s played under a lot of different head coaches and moved up the chain to better schools and given more responsibility steadily outside of the one set back as RU HC (and again, his failure at that role had nothing to do with how good or bad he was as an OL coach). So what gives? A lot of people working closely with him at different points over a 20+ year career were happy with his performance. That simply cannot be “luck”. It’s impossible.

 

[DJ Spanky]

It’s ridiculous. If one tried, I’m sure they could find a few isolated negative stats to point to under the tenure of any Hall of Fame caliber coach in any sport.

I mean, look at Bill Belichick: he sucked as a coach in Cleveland, why would anyone hire him?

 

[ashokan]

That is some cherry picked statistical analysis to sack a coach- 1 game against one of the best defenses in the country. How about a better statistical sample?

You missed it above.
Texas went from 33rd for sacks allowed in 2022 to 118th in 2024 - a drop of 85 spots in 3 year period

In 2024 RU was 18th for TFLs allowed - 57.
Texas was 134th - dead last with 114 TFLs allowed
Texas had twice as many TFLs allowed as RU (yay Pat Flaherty)

cfbstats.com - 2024 National Team Leaders

Texas = sacks and tfls all over the place - and only 71st for rushing.

No surprise that Texas loses a playoff to OSU after a DE sacks/strips QB of ball and slowly lumbers down the field for winning TD.

"But that's one of those plays, if you block it all right, you get in the end zone, and we didn't, and we lose quite a bit of yardage." - Sark.

Its more than obvious that the Texas OL sucked all year after a steady decline since 2022
If not for Texas passing game with injured QB TX would never have been in playoffs

https://247sports.com/longformarticle/steve-sarkisian-explains-red-zone-play-calls-in-texas-loss-to-ohio-state-243935144/#2580980

 

[ashokan]

And I guess that boneheaded play call by Sark counts against Flood that resulted in Sawyer's strip/sack (maybe it wasn't counted as a sack), but who cares.

Flood is also OC at Texas

 

[ashokan]

The reason for the OL decline was because of a couple of things- GS never put a priority on OL.

I know and I never understood that weakness.
Anybody who knows football knows that without a good OL you don't go far.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I know and I never understood that weakness.
Anybody who knows football knows that without a good OL you don't go far.

It was such a weird thing with so many moving parts.

First, he had guys here like Sosa/Fladell/Stephenson/Stapleton/Zuttah and they had eligibility, so, GS took some fliers on the long athletic types, like my son. Who played basketball at a high level and had an NFL frame. Even Blaze was a pretty good basketball player in HS.
Greg saw their development and thought, "heck, this is easy- Flood and Butler can turn anyone into OL" - so- it was in his head, just recruit a bunch of athletic long framed DL and whoever didn't work out on DL- let Flood/Butler convert them. Then, he hit a jackpot with Davis...now, he had Haslam, Blaze, AD set on the OL and thought he hit another jackpot with Forst. So- he kept trying to do the convert DL to OL and shoot all of his wad on trying for the Top NJ OL recruits with no backup plan for the Haslam/Blaze type of kids. And we started to have years with only 1 or 2 OL coming in. Landing AD and then Forst- changed the way Greg approached it and thought he could land the national OL guys and when they didn't commit, we had nothing else.

Thus, 2010 happened. And you could see it a mile away in 2009. I love Howie/Art/ Caleb but in 2009- we had Ruch/Forst playing OG and almost every play- Haslam/Blaze/Davis - had to pretty much push them into the guys they were responsible for.

 

[Knight Shift]

You missed it above.
Texas went from 33rd for sacks allowed in 2022 to 118th in 2024 - a drop of 85 spots in 3 year period

In 2024 RU was 18th for TFLs allowed - 57.
Texas was 134th - dead last with 114 TFLs allowed
Texas had twice as many TFLs allowed as RU (yay Pat Flaherty)

cfbstats.com - 2024 National Team Leaders

Texas = sacks and tfls all over the place - and only 71st for rushing.

No surprise that Texas loses a playoff to OSU after a DE sacks/strips QB of ball and slowly lumbers down the field for winning TD.

"But that's one of those plays, if you block it all right, you get in the end zone, and we didn't, and we lose quite a bit of yardage." - Sark.

Its more than obvious that the Texas OL sucked all year after a steady decline since 2022
If not for Texas passing game with injured QB TX would never have been in playoffs

https://247sports.com/longformarticle/steve-sarkisian-explains-red-zone-play-calls-in-texas-loss-to-ohio-state-243935144/#2580980

Last time I checked, Flood was also in charge of the OL in 2021, 2022 and 2023. Something changed. Oh that's right, they went from the no-defense Big 12 league to the SEC, a slightly tougher league on defense?

 

[retired711]

Anybody can fail at being a head coach, and so I never held that against Flood. He came into a *really* difficult situation due to GS's unexpected and late departure. My problem was with his intervention to try to change a player's grade. I'm sure his heart was in the right place, but he obviously knew he was violating the rules --that's why he tried to disguise himself. Everyone will remember that he got suspended for that, and my guess is that it played a role in his dismissal.

That said, there's no reason not to wish him the best of success elsewhere. I'm sure there are lots of guys who are suited to be assistants rather than head coaches, and he seems to be one of them. Maybe he'll develop into a head coach elsewhere and if he does, all power to him.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Last time I checked, Flood was also in charge of the OL in 2021, 2022 and 2023. Something changed. Oh that's right, they went from the no-defense Big 12 league to the SEC, a slightly tougher league on defense?

also- they passed the pass 541 times and sacked 37. So- that is a total of 578 times they dropped back...They are far from the worse of sacks per drop backs...They also had 7000 yds for the season- This is their gameplan and it sounds like it was executed pretty well.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Anybody can fail at being a head coach, and so I never held that against Flood. He came into a *really* difficult situation due to GS's unexpected and late departure. My problem was with his intervention to try to change a player's grade. I'm sure his heart was in the right place, but he obviously knew he was violating the rules --that's why he tried to disguise himself. Everyone will remember that he got suspended for that, and my guess is that it played a role in his dismissal.

That said, there's no reason not to wish him the best of success elsewhere. I'm sure there are lots of guys who are suited to be assistants rather than head coaches, and he seems to be one of them. Maybe he'll develop into a head coach elsewhere and if he does, all power to him.

Forget even “wishing him well”. We seriously have guys trying to make a case that he’s been a historically bad position coach. Want to say he’s “overrated” at this point in that role. Okay fine I guess. But “bad”? Regardless of how anyone feels about Flood’s off the court issues and such they have nothing to do with how he’s performed as an OL coach. The CEO leadership failures are head coach stuff.

 

[MADHAT1]

Forget even “wishing him well”. We seriously have guys trying to make a case that he’s been a historically bad position coach. Want to say he’s “overrated” at this point in that role. Okay fine I guess. But “bad”? Regardless of how anyone feels about Flood’s off the court issues and such they have nothing to do with how he’s performed as an OL coach. The CEO leadership failures are head coach stuff.

Coaches fail at one place or another for different reasons then find success later on in their career at a different program
Kyle is said to have sacked as a co-OC at RU and it was pointed out that was a position in name only.
After 2010 he lost thwe title but kept being the OL coach in 2011
Flood's co-OC was let go and became a position coach the next year at a another program then a couple of years later was an OC again and has mainly held that position at all his stops since then and now back at Rutgers under the same HC that let him go after the 2010 season was over
Kyle after he was booted from the RU HC position went to the NFL's Falcons then on to Alabama as their OL coach moving to being the Longhorn's OL coach and becoming their OC.

Most here probably feel that's a title and he's not doing the job for real.
But Flood has been involved coaching some successful programs been a HC and called a OC for aplayoff team, don't think Kyle doesn't have a shot to be a HC again or be courted for another programs OC position if the Texas HC gets a pro offer and takes it.

Flood might not be a choice for Rutgers fans, but an AD or two out there might look on Kyle in a better light because of the sucessful programs he's been involvd with since his Rutgers days..
Retreads are a common hire in thew college coaching world.
The current RU OC is a good example of that.

I won't claim Flood will be a success if he's hired to be a HC again nor will I claim if he is an OC in more than name only he'll prove worthy of thatr title when he's really in charge , but I will claim his time at Rutgers won't hold him back as much as his connection to Texas and Alabama will help move him forward when a program looks at him as a possible OC or HC

 

[RutgersChow]

How lucky is Kyle Flood? Fired from Rutgers for doing a shitty job, gets assistant line coach for Super Bowl Falcons, goes to Alabama for their national championship team and now coaches OL for Texas vying for another national championship

It's not luck. By the way, he was also NCAA recruiter of the year while at Alabama, and he won a conference championship while at Rutgers, something GS has never did, and he won I think 27 games. He got f%$ked at Rutgers. A real program would have brushed much of what he did under the rug. No one wanted him from day 1 because they felt we deserved a big name which we still haven't gotten. If we kept him and didn't have the Ash years we would be better today.

 

[JoeRU0304]

It's not luck. By the way, he was also NCAA recruiter of the year while at Alabama, and he won a conference championship while at Rutgers, something GS has never did, and he won I think 27 games. He got f%$ked at Rutgers. A real program would have brushed much of what he did under the rug. No one wanted him from day 1 because they felt we deserved a big name which we still haven't gotten. If we kept him and didn't have the Ash years we would be better today.

...everyone is entitled to their opinions but I have no idea how you can come to the last conclusion (outside of 'better than Ash' because a magic 8 ball as HC would have been better than Ash). Flood is Schiano-lite at best as HC.

Joe P.

 

[ashokan]

Last time I checked, Flood was also in charge of the OL in 2021, 2022 and 2023. Something changed. Oh that's right, they went from the no-defense Big 12 league to the SEC, a slightly tougher league on defense?

Its no secret to TX media that Longhorn OL play stinks and cost them their biggest games.
They were supposed to be a top OL in nation with two NFL players on roster.
As bad as they were this year they were also sketchy last year - these has been a "trend" - this year wasn't a black swan.
TX OL cost them big - they were supposed to be good.

A closer look at Texas' loss to Georgia, from offensive line to Arch Manning to bad behavior | Bohls​

"1. It’s what’s up front that counts. Or not. Texas football coach Steve Sarkisian didn’t hesitate to swap out Arch Manning for Quinn Ewers for two series against Georgia on Saturday night and probably should have used the backup quarterback a little more. However, far less blame for the Longhorns' 30-15 loss should be placed on Ewers and more on an offensive line that failed to adequately protect either quarterback,....

https://archive.ph/jfWIG

After stinking vs GA TX was bad vs Vanderbilt

Texas football has pass-protection issues, and two more thoughts about the Longhorns during their bye week​

After GA :

"Was it a bad showing for the o-line? Yes. Was it understandable given the opponent? Also, yes.

If you’re willing to believe that was an aberration, then what happened at Vanderbilt Saturday qualifies as a problem.

The Longhorns allowed four sacks to the Commodores, who entered the day having registered just 14 through the first seven games. Per PFF, Ewers was under pressure on a whopping 40.5% of his 42 dropbacks."

Texas football has pass-protection issues, and two more thoughts about the Longhorns during their bye week

Texas next plays Florida Nov. 9 at DKR-Memorial Stadium

www.lonestarlive.com

"Texas Longhorns Offensive Line Continues to Struggle vs. Vanderbilt
The Texas Longhorns offensive line was once again the weakest link for the team."

"The Texas o-line gave up four sacks in addition to nine tackles for losses, and though that is a small improvement from the six sacks allowed last Saturday against Georgia, it is far from the standard head coach Steve Sarkisian preaches. This line is experienced and has no excuse not to play to the best level, and we know they can be better. In the first six games of the season, the offensive line only allowed six sacks, this number has almost doubled in the past couple of weeks as it reaches 11. "

Texas Longhorns Offensive Line Continues to Struggle vs. Vanderbilt

The Texas Longhorns offensive line was once again the weakest link for the team.

www.si.com

Crunch Time: Analyzing Texas’ third-down and red-zone performance vs. Ohio State​

"Ewers was regularly sacked or forced to evacuate the pocket on third down. He was brought down twice, hurried once, scrambled once, and had a handful of check downs as a result of an Ohio State front that quite simply outplayed the Texas offensive line... Even with Ohio State entering the game ranked second in the country in red-zone defense and red-zone touchdown rate, the goal-line failure in the fourth quarter will stick with fans in burnt orange for years to come. "

Crunch Time: Analyzing Texas’ third-down and red-zone performance vs. Ohio State

Texas lost a thriller in Dallas. How did they fare in two key areas?

www.burntorangenation.com

 

[RU Cheese]

Winners make their own luck. Losers complain about it.

Floods had a great careee despite being bad HC here.

 

[RutgersChow]

...everyone is entitled to their opinions but I have no idea how you can come to the last conclusion (outside of 'better than Ash' because a magic 8 ball as HC would have been better than Ash). Flood is Schiano-lite at best as HC.

Joe P.

Because Ash took us into the sh%$er. Even if Flood stayed and maintained the status quo, and then left, Sciano 2 would have started with the program in better shape, and we would be better today. Make sense?

 

[ashokan]

Winners make their own luck. Losers complain about it.

Floods had a great careee despite being bad HC here.

There's talk of Sarkisian up for Dallas job
Flood worked with Sark at Atlanta and got brought to Bama and then TX by him
Maybe Flood gets to play remora eel on Sark one more time

Do popsicles come in barbecue?

https://atozsports.com/nfl/dallas-c...sarkisian-after-moving-on-from-mike-mccarthy/

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Winners make their own luck. Losers complain about it.

Floods had a great careee despite being bad HC here.

This. Nothing more needs to be said. The guy’s 30 year football resume speaks for itself.

 

[Source]

Happy birthday to former Rutgers head coach (2012-15) Kyle J. Flood born on this day, January 20, 1971. He was 41 years, 8 months 12 days old head coaching his first Rutgers game.

 

[colbert17]

I mean, look at Bill Belichick: he sucked as a coach in Cleveland, why would anyone hire him?

Bill's record in New England:

With Tom Brady 219-64 .774%
Without Tom Brady 47-57 .452%

Not saying that he's a bad coach but when you have one of the greatest QBs of all time that doesn't hurt.