Maybe he is just a very good offensive line coach. Lousy HC but good position/assistant coach. The Peter Principle is not a myth.
How lucky is Kyle Flood?
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Can anyone explain the 2010 Offense.. co-OC's by Kirk and Kyle.. Flood the OL coach too.. many NFL OL on that team.
If KF was a great OL coach.. and the OL players were great.. why did that 2010 offense suck?
If KF was a great OL coach.. and the OL players were great.. why did that 2010 offense suck?
Your going to point to THAT season to prove Flood wasn’t good at coaching OL? Really. Do you not see how that year is still in Greg’s nightmares? To this day he won’t return kick offs… and your suggesting OL coaching explains why were so bad that year. Come on.
The question still stands. You questioned the question and questioner without offering an explanation. You assumed I was making a statement rather than asking a question.
I would really love to see some guesses to explain that offense, that season. And while how it relates to Flood is moot.. his co-OC was our current OC who just got an extension.
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let's see the names of the 2010 NFL OL...
And I would say I have explained much of the 2010 OL issues at least 50 times over the years.
You can start. By understanding he was CO OC in title only. He’s the OC at Texas as well. You think he’s calling plays? He’s an excellent OL coach and better HC than people give him credit for. He will be a HC again and he will be a successful one. He wasn’t ready to run a B1G program when given the job.
As I recall, OL recruiting went south for awhile.
RU was getting RBs, WRs and "ATHs" by the bucket but too few OL.
Every year I checked OL recruiting and RU was lacking so it was predictable there would be issues.
Having 2 OCs wasn't a help.
GS used to defend KC because he was a hot topic at the time but he eventually fired him after defending him
Even good OL were alarmed by problems that eventually caused D1 sacks allowed record
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"You definitely take it personally when your starting quarterback goes down," Barbieri said. "It's not just the 13 sacks. You also have to take into account the hits he has taken. Those have been way too many."
Rutgers' increase in sacks allowed 'unacceptable'
In 2006, Rutgers gave up eight total sacks. This year, they've surrendered 13 so far.
QBs getting hit "too many times" was what did Savage in, and the GS 1.0 era ended that year imo.
RU fired OC and lost its best QB recruit in same season as EL's catastrophe (which I think wore GS down and make NFL look good to him).
I'll add that the kickoff play wasn't the problem - it was poor technique and that's often a result of poor coaching from HS up.
EL even mentioned the problem
"I've thought of that story often over the past year. On October 16, 2010, I was a junior playing special teams for Rutgers during a midseason game against Army. We were playing at Giants Stadium in East Rutherford, N.J., not far from our campus. With the game tied at 17 and about five minutes left in the fourth quarter, I ran downfield after a kickoff and collided with the returner, Malcolm Brown. I hit him pretty good -- I learned later that he broke his collarbone on the play. But I tucked my head. "
One year after being paralyzed, LeGrand believes he'll walk again
My sophomore year at Rutgers, I bought a black Nissan Altima. I had been saving up for years to buy that car. Over the winters, I had a job hauling Christmas
If EL had "tucked his head" on other plays the same thing could have happened (see Jets Dennis Bird). Knowing not to put head down is one thing but coaches have to enforce it in practice. If a guy makes a play with his head down practice should be stopped and the error highlighted. Don't just let it go as is usually the case.
Good for him. He’s continuing his career and is obviously a solid position coach. Solid fella too outside the one misdirection
Kyle was a great OL coach that just didn't make the grade as the HC and his co-OC position didn't make him look like he could run the RU O .
But since he left and has coached under some good HCs Flood might have picked up a thing or two that would make him an OC major programs would want and maybe even give him another shot at the top spot.
I might feel Kyle wasn't a good fit as RU's HC, but he did leave with a winning record and the W-L record wasn't the reason he was told to take a hike.
I expect a G-5 program to give him an offer to be their HC or at least interview for it , but Flood might prefer to wait in Texas ( unless SS goes NFL) for a P-4 school to call and be offered the type of salary and benefits that come with being a P5 program's HC..
Flood will be sought out for P-5 OC positions if it ooks like Texas will need a new HC and you probably see G-5 schools trying to hire Kyle as their HC .
It's been around 10 years since Flood left Rutgers and he's built a realgood resume over those years.
Don't think Kyle Flood isn't respected now by those who hire and fire coaches in the college game.
Rutgers fans look on Kyle like it's 2015, the college game sees what he was part of since then.
But since he left and has coached under some good HCs Flood might have picked up a thing or two that would make him an OC major programs would want and maybe even give him another shot at the top spot.
I might feel Kyle wasn't a good fit as RU's HC, but he did leave with a winning record and the W-L record wasn't the reason he was told to take a hike.
I expect a G-5 program to give him an offer to be their HC or at least interview for it , but Flood might prefer to wait in Texas ( unless SS goes NFL) for a P-4 school to call and be offered the type of salary and benefits that come with being a P5 program's HC..
Flood will be sought out for P-5 OC positions if it ooks like Texas will need a new HC and you probably see G-5 schools trying to hire Kyle as their HC .
It's been around 10 years since Flood left Rutgers and he's built a realgood resume over those years.
Don't think Kyle Flood isn't respected now by those who hire and fire coaches in the college game.
Rutgers fans look on Kyle like it's 2015, the college game sees what he was part of since then.
That has been debunked many times. Flood got the HC before Greg was forced to bring along so many staff from Rutgers.
I said at the time on this board in 2015 that flood will be a division 1 head coach again if he wants it. His winning record at Rutgers , saban and Texas now are part of his resume .
But is Rutgers fans know flood was a dud
Kyle Flood was 26-22 as a head coach at Rutgers - only winning percentage as an RU coach since Frank Burns.
He lacked the program skills that kept a program out of scandal - but a winning record shows he clearly was a good gameday coach
He lacked the program skills that kept a program out of scandal - but a winning record shows he clearly was a good gameday coach
I can't believe anyone still questions Flood's stint as Co-OC- either you all are just too stubborn to listen for 15 years. And someone said he had an OL of NFL players in 2010- lol
Flood was named in title only. KC called every single play- Flood did nothing different as CO-OC then he did the previous year as the OL coach.
2010- it was 09 where you had Haslam/Davis and even Blaze at C. Forst was the only big name left in 2010 and he wasn't good. Howie B was ready to be pretty good but they decided to put him at Center and his 2 second shotgun snaps killed us.
And again- when he was named the recruiting Coordinator for OL...and not understand that GS 1.0 controlled everything. Flood did not have autonomy to recruit and offer OL on his own. GS told him exactly who to scout, GS then had Flood give him the best of the list GS gave Flood and GS made the offers.
Flood was named in title only. KC called every single play- Flood did nothing different as CO-OC then he did the previous year as the OL coach.
2010- it was 09 where you had Haslam/Davis and even Blaze at C. Forst was the only big name left in 2010 and he wasn't good. Howie B was ready to be pretty good but they decided to put him at Center and his 2 second shotgun snaps killed us.
And again- when he was named the recruiting Coordinator for OL...and not understand that GS 1.0 controlled everything. Flood did not have autonomy to recruit and offer OL on his own. GS told him exactly who to scout, GS then had Flood give him the best of the list GS gave Flood and GS made the offers.
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Flood was a good coach and very good with the press. Surprised he didn’t win more. Have heard a good guy too.
Thought his biggest failure was giving the keys to Gary Nova and afraid to pull him and create a quarterback controversy when we had quality backups.
He pulls an ineffective Nova against PSU, Kent State, VA Tech, maybe he’s still head coach. Even one of our best defensive efforts ever against Cincy, Nova almost lost the game with bad interceptions but Flood never pulled him.
Thought his biggest failure was giving the keys to Gary Nova and afraid to pull him and create a quarterback controversy when we had quality backups.
He pulls an ineffective Nova against PSU, Kent State, VA Tech, maybe he’s still head coach. Even one of our best defensive efforts ever against Cincy, Nova almost lost the game with bad interceptions but Flood never pulled him.
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He was too nice - like the dad who wanted to be friends with his kids more than parent - popsicles and unicorns.
A lot of secondary players got in trouble so no doubt a bad seed or two tipped the crew over time.
GS knew how to get on players when they needed it - including stars like Britt and AD.
I knew Flood was "titled" mainly to get more money for him (co-DCs as well at the time ) but he still had a mess on his hands with OL. How to go from a top OL in nation (Lou Holtz praise on TV Louisville night) to a complete disaster despite still having good players? Whatever the titles/problems were Flood cant get a pass on 2010 mess
"From 2006-2009, Rutgers' offensive line was one of the nation's best. Coach Kyle Flood was a highly sought after, and Rutgers seemed lucky to keep him—especially after he managed to lure and develop NFL rookie star tackle Anthony Davis.
In order to placate him and save money, along with his duties as line-coach, the university dubbed Flood as associate head coach for the past three seasons including 2010. It seems that the double-duty has caused the line's production to slip, as he struggled to incorporate three new players on to the line this season.
The Knights allowed a NCAA Division 1A high 61 sacks on the year, the highest total recorded by any team since the 2005 season. The Knights also struggled to rush the football, resorting to a wildcat look more often than most teams in order to establish a running game.
This was certainly a far cry from the 2006 Knights who allowed eight sacks all season, and the 2007 Knights who allowed just 11 sacks—both lines presided over by Kyle Flood."
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Oh boy…why do I even try?He was too nice - like the dad who wanted to be friends with his kids more than parent - popsicles and unicorns.
A lot of secondary players got in trouble so no doubt a bad seed or two tipped the crew over time.
GS knew how to get on players when they needed it - including stars like Britt and AD.
I knew Flood was "titled" mainly to get more money for him (co-DCs as well at the time ) but he still had a mess on his hands with OL. How to go from a top OL in nation (Lou Holtz praise on TV Louisville night) to a complete disaster despite still having good players? Whatever the titles/problems were Flood cant get a pass on 2010 mess
"From 2006-2009, Rutgers' offensive line was one of the nation's best. Coach Kyle Flood was a highly sought after, and Rutgers seemed lucky to keep him—especially after he managed to lure and develop NFL rookie star tackle Anthony Davis.
In order to placate him and save money, along with his duties as line-coach, the university dubbed Flood as associate head coach for the past three seasons including 2010. It seems that the double-duty has caused the line's production to slip, as he struggled to incorporate three new players on to the line this season.
The Knights allowed a NCAA Division 1A high 61 sacks on the year, the highest total recorded by any team since the 2005 season. The Knights also struggled to rush the football, resorting to a wildcat look more often than most teams in order to establish a running game.
This was certainly a far cry from the 2006 Knights who allowed eight sacks all season, and the 2007 Knights who allowed just 11 sacks—both lines presided over by Kyle Flood."
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Rutgers suffered through its first losing football season since 2004 when they played 4-8 football in 2010. As the season ended, questions surrounding RU's coaching staff arose around the program and its fan-base...
No , no , no . This is the problem as the years go by , flood’s record looks better and better . But the truth is he was awful .
3 of the 4 seasons were complete disappointments. In one of them (2013), we got curb stomped in something called the American conference
2014 was flood’s moment in the sun . 7-5 regular season and go win a bowl game . But even that was smoke in mirrors.
2 good wins at navy and at Maryland. We got blown out in a lot of games.
The loss of Davis, Haslam, and Blaze was catastrophic.
Yeah, the wheels were falling off, and Fridge really propped up the offense, and when he left in 2015, the wheels were off.
Destroying UNC in the bowl wasn't good? Beating Michigan?
That’s was great. The vast majority of those players were Schiano recruits. As GS players graduated or left, Flood’s recruiting was subpar (to put it mildly)
yr, but with the title of co-OC the credit or blame falls on the coach by the fanbase.
Kyle was in name only and back then , if I remember right, this board recognized it was a title, not a position, so Flood could get a higher salary than just being the OL coach
G1 was too controlling and that also made KC look bad as well.
But as I said Flood didn't look like he could run a good offense when he was the co-OC and in name only was correct but the title made Kyle subject to blame for how the O was
KC called every play with guidelines, from Schiano's game strategy (in my opinion) on how to call them and probably was hampered in what he could do on his own to make the O work better
Kyle went back to being RU's OL coach after the 2010 season ,Ciarrocca went to Richmond in 2011 as their QB coach and stated working his way back to being an OC again .
Kirk took the fall and left, Kyle kept his job but not the title.
He had a great class shaping up. Blacknall, Jennings, Hilliman, Wiegers, Kiy Hester, David Njoku....Barkley in pocket for the next season.
man we could have been good for sure if he could have made them stick.
Nobody is hiring Fllod to be an OC. He has never called plays in his life.
Yup we beat Arkansas in Fayetteville. Although John L. Smith was coaching so give it an asterisk.
Also, for all the flak Schiano takes about beating teams with winning records, Flood's squads beat a grand total of 4 teams with winning records (2 in 2012, 2 in 2014) and were 6-22 vs bowl teams.
Joe P.
Early this year it was explained to me.. and seeing him listed as Texas' OC confirmed that rather well. But people still insist the OL coach part.. and his being hired by Bama and Texas indicate that is true...
you know what? He had a much better OL in 2009 than 2010... but keep in mind, it was HIS OLine.. his recruits.. he developed.. I dunno.. his teams and his offense and his OL got worse every year after he was head coach... I just don't know. maybe he is lucky like the OP says... or he is a good OL coach... or maybe he got a lot better at coaching watching Saban and now Sarkasian
2009
Desmond Wynn OL NFL***
Desmond Stapleton OL free-agent signed.. no play
Kevin Haslam SR OL NFL***
Art Forst* OL
Anthony Davis* OL NFL***
Ryan Blasczcyk* OL Arena**
Howard Barbieri*
2010
Devon Watkins OL
Antwan Lowery OL
Robert Jones FR OL
Desmond Stapleton* OL free-agent signed.. no play
Art Forst* OL
Howard Barbieri* OL
Desmond Wynn* JR OL NFL***
Caleb Ruch* JR OL
I give the team credit for that win (tough environment vs. a desperate Arkansas squad at the time) though Arkansas was in absolute disarray at the time from the Petrino motorcycle fiasco.
Joe P.
You also made an earlier point that he was a better HC than many realized. And I agree on both points.
KF is just a tremendous OL coach, and that is an understatement.
And I believe he would be better in the future if given a HC position than if he was ever given the full responsibility of a true OC.
If he wants it, I do think he would get a shot at HC. Maybe start with an AAC team.
Beat Arkansas and Michigan - yet it doesn't count? Tell me the other coaching accomplishments since Frank Burns
They were all great wins/experiences at the time...what often gets overlooked is that those 3 teams finished a combined 12-22.
Joe P.
One thing with Coach Flood- as HC- hey may have been over .500 but he did fail here as a HC.
There were a lot of factors leading to that but the honest truth, he wasn’t ready but gave up. The 2nd part of that is what disappointed me most.
I really feel if he could have put away the noise created by JH and dug deep into himself, he could have succeeded. But in those last few years- he gave up and just collected a check and did anything JH wanted. And like it or not- Julie orchestrated the Dance Class/ Princeton scandal. He was just dumb enough to go along with it.
There were a lot of factors leading to that but the honest truth, he wasn’t ready but gave up. The 2nd part of that is what disappointed me most.
I really feel if he could have put away the noise created by JH and dug deep into himself, he could have succeeded. But in those last few years- he gave up and just collected a check and did anything JH wanted. And like it or not- Julie orchestrated the Dance Class/ Princeton scandal. He was just dumb enough to go along with it.
No - I didn’t. Flood is getting credit for being good as a position coach. My comment was that when one looks at Kyle Flood’s career as an OL position coach (the whole macro picture including at Rutgers and after Rutgers) it’s near impossible to draw that conclusion that he has performed poorly in this specific role overall.
The 2010 Rutger’s team’s extremely poor performance could be attributed to a multitude of things with LeGrand’s injury overarching it all. Regardless - on no stratosphere does anything about that one season in isolation demonstrate that Kyle Flood isn’t a good OL coach. It’s literally one single data point amongst many others that suggest the opposite.
How did JH organize the Princeton thing? Genuinely asking.
There is a shit ton of revisionist history and memory holing in this thread
I just quoted a bunch of posts to bring attention to 2010. People conveniently forget that in 2010, KC decided to completely change the offense from a pro-set (which we had used up until then) to a spread style. And it failed miserably because we didn't have the personnel to run it. The primary area was the OL, as all of the starting offensive linemen had been recruited for, and trained for, playing in a pro-set. @yesrutgers01 can probably corroborate me on this, but it was just a horrible decision to think you can throw a switch and now everyone is going to play differently. Especially with the OL, which more than any position group has to play as a unit.
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