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I love Coach Pike but……….

I hear you! Pike has said the standard at Rutgers is making the tournament.

-Best team Covid year - no tournament played
-Made the tournament (he lost that Houston game)
-Play in game (OT loss out coached)
-Missed tournament
-Missed tournament below 500

Last 5 years regressing significantly

The program is talking about 160k season tickets.
Facilities , arena, school top notch. Nil stepped up and bought the # 2 class in the country. No excuses has to win and win big
We are definitely in the NCAA Tourney last year if Mag wasn't injured. This down year is on Pike imo because of the recruiting misses, poor roster/portal management, and Mag being out early in the season together with his mixed results coming back (looks like he got dinged-up again and now has quit on us).

Pike can certainly redeem himself next season with the incoming class and some portal success.
 
Not commenting on HC Pike, but it isn't mutually exclusive.

A coach can be average or even bad while still being our best coach since the early 80s.

One is a comparison to peers while another is comparison to specifically our historical coaches.
THANK YOU. YOU get it. I didn't say he sucked and even noted that his credentials were missing a tourney year. But ya know. To some you just can't hurt feelings.
The post is there. I NEVER said he should be fired or that he is on some hot seat. That's the school's call. I said my personal support for him (as a coach). And since this is a fan message board I assume it's ok to have an opinion. He'll always be a fantastic first class person (which I think is part of the issue).
 
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Some " fans" are so assinine after losses. They speak out of their asses when they attack Pike.
Well it's tourney time (including the B1G) and he's 18-31 in his last 7 each of his 7 seasons ..assuming he beats OSU. If he loses to OSU and then the first round BTT that will be 16-33.

Take out the last game from those seasons cause that is always a loss unless you win the NC or NIT and it is still 20-29.

Take out his first 2 seasons and the last game each year and it is still 16-19.

Those are THE FACTS end season so yeah. Plenty of time for folks to be "assinine".
 
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THANK YOU. YOU get it. I didn't say he sucked and even noted that his credentials were missing a tourney year. But ya know. To some you just can't hurt feelings.
The post is there. I NEVER said he should be fired or that he is on some hot seat. That's the school's call. I said my personal support for him (as a coach). And since this is a fan message board I assume it's ok to have an opinion. He'll always be a fantastic first class person (which I think is part of the issue).

LOL. You might as well have said Pike was on your hot seat since you basically did in other words.

  • Said Pike's A$$ saved by NIL
  • Called him an average P5 Coach at best
  • Said you'll basically give him one more year "pending" (FYI - that's essentially saying he's on the hot seat)
Also called another poster out for "accepting mediocrity". Still not sure how you would know that from another fan perspective in terms of actionability. Would seem to me that "accepting mediocrity" would be taking a passive approach as a college fan in terms of actions vs. an active approach to try and make a positive program impacts toward winning (i.e. donations, NIL etc).

I think you also referred to Mag as a disgrace and a pussy. You drunk or just have an anger issue? Fans denigrating player dedication and toughness is always pretty funny to me. Had his teeth knocked out with a number of surgeries and came back. Had a torn ACL with surgery and worked his way back. Now posters here are pretty much making up narratives that he's some kind of dead beat "pussy" or only worried about next season/NIL (as if he could even get it since he's a foreign national) because he has been out with further leg related problems - which if people did research might find that can occur by over-compensating coming back from a different injury.
 
If you are talking about next years class they may be and we all hope they will be. Biggest issue I have this year is the selfish play of players like Hyatt only to sulk play after play.
Hyatt is a gunner. Brutal.
 
Pike should be and is on the hot seat. He needs to have a big year next season or he should be gone. Simple
The guy successfully recruited a 2024 class that is so far above anything we've ever seen here or had a right to expect at Rutgers. And some fans here are talking about his seat being "hot" ?
We do apparently have our share of dumbass fans.
 
14 months ago we were the No. 13 team in America on KenPom. It's been a bad year with a bad team, bad coaching and a think a staff still trying to adapt to a new world of college basketball.

But this has been an elite basketball team at several points in his tenure, and I think he's earned full faith to see what he can do with elite talent coming in
 
He's the only coach in 30 years to get us to the tourney. Don't really care what your opinion of him is. He's the best we've had since the early 80s.
This isn’t 1980! His standard HE set was the tournament. He has made it once and once to the play in game. His coaching down the stretch the last 3 seasons in crunch time is far far below average. We live in a new world where we pay MILLIONS to players to come to Rutgers. We are asking 6 figures for season tickets. Go back to the barn. This is a new day where we want excellence.

Willard at Seton Hall and Maryland more successful.
Shaheen at Seton hall more successful
Hurley obviously
Penn state more success

All of these local schools have out performed Pike. Rutgers has better facilities a better school and a larger NIL. Stop making excuses.

Are player development and offense has been horrible.

Next year is a hot year .
 
14 months ago we were the No. 13 team in America on KenPom. It's been a bad year with a bad team, bad coaching and a think a staff still trying to adapt to a new world of college basketball.

But this has been an elite basketball team at several points in his tenure, and I think he's earned full faith to see what he can do with elite talent coming in
Never been an elite basketball team. It has had big wins but you can’t be ranked 13 Nationally and in 3 weeks miss the tournament. Thats a meltdown and definitely not an elite basketball team
 
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You can’t be serious. Ok bring back Eddie Jordan
Or we could have signed Hurley(yes u know the story), Willard, Shaeen etc. multiple coaches who have had more success. Now that we are willing to pay coaches doesn’t mean we hire Eddie Jordan. You’re either moving forward or back. 5 years in a row Pike going backwards
 
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This isn’t 1980! His standard HE set was the tournament. He has made it once and once to the play in game. His coaching down the stretch the last 3 seasons in crunch time is far far below average. We live in a new world where we pay MILLIONS to players to come to Rutgers. We are asking 6 figures for season tickets. Go back to the barn. This is a new day where we want excellence.

Willard at Seton Hall and Maryland more successful.
Shaheen at Seton hall more successful
Hurley obviously
Penn state more success

All of these local schools have out performed Pike. Rutgers has better facilities a better school and a larger NIL. Stop making excuses.

Are player development and offense has been horrible.

Next year is a hot year .
Over the last five years

Rutgers: 2 tournament appearances (plus COVID), mean KenPom rating: 53
Seton Hall: 1 tournament appearance (plus COVID), mean KenPom rating: 48
Penn State: 1 tournament appearance (plus COVID), mean KenPom rating: 55

In what world can you definitively say that these programs are having more success than us, they're our peers and we've been on par with them
 
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He doesn’t have a declining record five years in a row. He’s had one bad season in five years for the reasons stated. Obviously if he has multiple losing seasons in a row the seat would get hot. Thats not what has happened and is not going to happen. You can rant all you want but talking hotseat is dumb.
Actually he does have a declining record and team the last 5 years.

Winning % 645
571
563
559
517.
Not sure how you count but that is a steady 5 year decline
 
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Seriously? The guy and his staff can flat out recruit and it is not like we are rolling in NIL $s like some of the programs he is competing against. So, he had an off year, big deal, we ain't Duke, next year we will be right back towards the top of the conference and all these "fans" calling for him to be on the hot seat will look like fools.
When they charge you more than Duke next year to attend games for a team that has gotten worse 5 years in a row don’t complain. When they move all of those lower seats season ticket holders out don’t complain. Just rub the statue they build for Pike who made one tournament in 10 years doesn’t develop players and can not coach offense.
Over the last five years

Rutgers: 2 tournament appearances (plus COVID), mean KenPom rating: 53
Seton Hall: 1 tournament appearance (plus COVID), mean KenPom rating: 48
Penn State: 1 tournament appearance (plus COVID), mean KenPom rating: 55

In what world can you definitively say that these programs are having more success than us, they're our peers and we've been on par with them
Seton hall went 2016, 2017, 2018,2019,2022 and will go this year and they play in a harder division. What are you talking about? Pretty sure Pike started in 2016
 
We also didn’t have the upgraded facilities and we were not buying top 2 recruits as well as charging 160k for tickets. Wake up , big time college hoops win or your out. Pike set the standard and has reached it 1 in 9 years and has regressed badly over the last 5 years. Facts
without Pike it would have been years before we ever updated facilities --take it from those that actually donated to get them---not from those that know shyt
 
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without Pike it would have been years before we ever updated facilities --take it from those that actually donated to get them---not from those that know shyt
Fully aware of what and who donated but thank you. Once again I did not create the Standard Pike did and he’s 1 for 10 and has a declining team 5 years in a row. Facts can hurt. He has a good thing on paper coming in hopefully. No excuses or it’s time to move on
 
What should be concerning is how big an outlier could our 2024 recruiting class be?

Recruiting has been terrible. We lucked into two significant family relationships of 5 star kids that allowed Rutgers to be in the picture (and did a good job securing them). We are in for some high rated kids beyond 2024 but if we step back there is not much reason to believe we will succeed without significant recruiting ins.

Even Gavin was a significant personal tie in.
 
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Some of the comments in this thread are laughable - Pike wasn’t saved by NIL nor is he on the hot seat. Ace and Harper were the result of several years of recruiting behind the scenes that 95% of the naysayers cant even fathom.
 
What should be concerning is how big an outlier could our 2024 recruiting class be?

Recruiting has been terrible. We lucked into two significant family relationships of 5 star kids that allowed Rutgers to be in the picture (and did a good job securing them). We are in for some high rated kids beyond 2024 but if we step back there is not much reason to believe we will succeed without significant recruiting ins.

Even Gavin was a significant personal tie in.
I understood your last sentence to have been asserted and debunked.
 
What should be concerning is how big an outlier could our 2024 recruiting class be?

Recruiting has been terrible. We lucked into two significant family relationships of 5 star kids that allowed Rutgers to be in the picture (and did a good job securing them). We are in for some high rated kids beyond 2024 but if we step back there is not much reason to believe we will succeed without significant recruiting ins.

Even Gavin was a significant personal tie in.
Pikes been living on this recruiting class for 3 years . No automatic that we are good next year. Gavin has been unplayable all year long. Now I truly believe in Ace but no guarantees
 
I understood your last sentence to have been asserted and debunked.
Correct. What some of our dimmer friends don’t get is it’s hard to recruit players to rutgers that are willing to sit on the bench. Even with that if not for the late defections and JWills delay we would be in the bubble again.
 
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I was talking big ten record. It’s an exceedingly dumb take to suggest 3 years with no material difference in record indicates a trend.
Ok cherry pick what numbers you wish but simply 5 years ago we were a 645 % team and it’s highly likely we finish below 500 this year. Thats a bad 5 year trend. On top of poor player development and lack of offense for his entire tenure. Everyone take a deep breath appreciate some big wins but the program as a whole has come up short
 
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What should be concerning is how big an outlier could our 2024 recruiting class be?

Recruiting has been terrible. We lucked into two significant family relationships of 5 star kids that allowed Rutgers to be in the picture (and did a good job securing them). We are in for some high rated kids beyond 2024 but if we step back there is not much reason to believe we will succeed without significant recruiting ins.

Even Gavin was a significant personal tie in.

Ahhh. I get your view now. You feel that when Pike does something good it's only based on luck.
 
Ok cherry pick what numbers you wish but simply 5 years ago we were a 645 % team and it’s highly likely we finish below 500 this year. Thats a bad 5 year trend. On top of poor player development and lack of offense for his entire tenure. Everyone take a deep breath appreciate some big wins but the program as a whole has come up short
That was one year. Like this is one year. Talk about cherry picking. Have a nice day.
 
Ok cherry pick what numbers you wish but simply 5 years ago we were a 645 % team and it’s highly likely we finish below 500 this year. Thats a bad 5 year trend. On top of poor player development and lack of offense for his entire tenure. Everyone take a deep breath appreciate some big wins but the program as a whole has come up short

5 years ago, we also played one of the easiest non-conference schedules ever in the history of the sport for a major conference team. For starters your counting a win over a D2 school. You ought to take that out. Outside of the annual SHU game which was home that year (I also believe SHU was missing a key player or someone played hurt) - the team played 2 real games that weren’t even very difficult against a 16-17 Pitt team and St Bonnies - lost them both. That team got better as it went along and had a great conference season. It was a fun season but I’m pretty sure if that team had faced more real teams early the record would’ve looked different.
 
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That was one year. Like this is one year. Talk about cherry picking. Have a nice day.
I gave you the 5 year trend numbers year by year. . If you want I can go back and give you his first 5 years. Brutal and then that would be cherry picking.
 
5 years ago, we also played one of the easiest non-conference schedules ever in the history of the sport for a major conference team. For starters you’re counting a win over a D2 school. You ought to take that out. Outside of the annual SHU game which was home that year - the team played 2 real games that weren’t even very difficult against a 16-17 Pitt team and St Bonnies - lost them both. That team got better as it went along. It was a fun season but I’m pretty sure if that team had faced more real teams early the record would’ve looked different.
Confused because last year we played the easiest non conference schedule and recorded the worst lost in Ken Pom history.
 
Reality is only two players got better as the year went on. Gavin and JWill ( wonder what a full season would have shown?).
The roster is currently not good enough. It’s that simple. If they had a healthy Mag and J Will all season or Paul and Cam stayed, this team would have been a decent team. Thats on Pike but he is fixing it immediately.
 
Confused because last year we played the easiest non conference schedule and recorded the worst lost in Ken Pom history.

There is no way it was easier as a measure of total loss count. You are comparing loss rates basically. Maybe because SHU was good that year and we got lucky with SFA it screwed the blended outcome. Every other team on the non-conference schedule had no pulse at all. Literally every one was a basement dweller.
 
The guy successfully recruited a 2024 class that is so far above anything we've ever seen here or had a right to expect at Rutgers. And some fans here are talking about his seat being "hot" ?
We do apparently have our share of dumbass fans.
It’s amazing how out of touch some people are.
 
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The roster is currently not good enough. It’s that simple. If they had a healthy Mag and J Will all season or Paul and Cam stayed, this team would have been a decent team. Thats on Pike but he is fixing it immediately.
J will big liability on defense. Continues to miss rotations play lazy and hang his teammates out to dry. Needs to clean that up. Was brutal defensively last night and can he try not to slide and fall down 5 times a game?
 
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There is no way it was easier as a measure of total loss count. You are comparing loss rates basically. Maybe because SHU was good that year and we got lucky with SFA it screwed the blended outcome. Every other team on the non-conference schedule had no pulse at all. Literally every one was a basement dweller.
Ok I’ll take your word for it but I think we can both agree are non conference schedule both seasons was extremely easy. Hell, all we heard after being left out the tournament was how bad/easy are non conference schedule was. On top of that we ended up losing the worst loss in College hoops history. Either way that doesn’t factor into Pikes declining success
 
J Will is a very good to great one on one defender. Not worried.
Ok good! Problem is we run way too many defensive team concepts and he is lost. Obviously he missed time and you would hope that will develop with reps. Last night was a big problem. J will and Hyatt on the floor together is unwatchable.
 
Ok I’ll take your word for it but I think we can both agree are non conference schedule both seasons was extremely easy. Hell, all we heard after being left out the tournament was how bad/easy are non conference schedule was. On top of that we ended up losing the worst loss in College hoops history. Either way that doesn’t factor into Pikes declining success
The point I’m making is:

We played only 3 losable games and 1 semi losable game in 2019-20.

This year we played 5 real games - and a stack of semi losable ones.

It’s true we took a scare from Stonehill, but the 2019-20 team took one from Drexel and arguably could’ve struggled early with the Bryant types on a given day.

In conference there were more basement dwellers than just Michigan.

Your “percentage” analysis is therefore flawed because the things I point out above contribute to the 4 game difference in loss count on 30 games played (removing the D2 game we’re at the same number of games played).
 
The point I’m making is:

We played only 3 losable games and 1 semi losable game in 2019-20.

This year we played 5 real games - and a stack of semi losable ones.

It’s true we took a scare from Stonehill, but the 2019-20 team took one from Drexel and arguably could’ve struggled early with the Bryant types on a given day.

In conference there were more basement dwellers than just Michigan.

Your “percentage” analysis is therefore flawed because the things I point out above contribute to the 4 game difference in loss count on 30 games played (removing the D2 game we’re at the same number of games played).
I understand now! One could easily argue the overall level of conference opponents strength is down.. the big ten is simply not as good so we should have been better in conference.

The team has gotten consistently worse over the last 5 years.

We can now go pick analytics to make whatever story you feel fits your narrative.
 
I understand now! One could easily argue the overall level of conference opponents strength is down.. the big ten is simply not as good so we should have been better in conference.

The team has gotten consistently worse over the last 5 years.

We can now go pick analytics to make whatever story you feel fits your narrative.

No - you really can’t. That’s the point. This is a down year. I’m not picking one metric as my choice to make a point that we’ve gotten worse every year for 5 years. You are. I’m just saying your numbers aren’t apples to apples.
 
No - you really can’t. That’s the point. This is a down year. I’m not picking one metric as my choice to make a point that we’ve gotten worse every year for 5 years. You are. I’m just saying your numbers aren’t apples to apples.
You’re using a non conference schedule littered with bad teams to support yours. When the big ten this year might be the worse it’s been in over a decade. Do we ignore outside of Purdue and Illinois the big ten is just an avg to bad conference?
 
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