Now imagine what that says about our first shot defense.
Not sure why you guys refuse to acknowledge the defense is great. Yes, that can’t overcome the #275 or whatever offense.
I love Coach Pike but……….
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Not sure why you guys refuse to acknowledge the defense is great. Yes, that can’t overcome the #275 or whatever offense.
I get what you are saying but its pretty insulting to portray Pike as a coach that just mailed it in and said "F it".
Our first shot Defense ! lol
Ican hear Pike in the locks room now.
“ Great job boys on that first shot pressure”.
Cliff “ coach when I rotate to block the shot they are killing is on the glass and scoring “.
Pike” Cliff don’t worry we’re ranked 5 th in first shot D”
Not sure you’re following. The #4 defense rating INCLUDES the impact of the bad rebounding.
Don't forget all those 'blue bloods' were either doctoring academic records or paying players through alums. Give us some time to catch up to the schools that have been cheating for decades
I think we have can and will play great D, that said the season end collapse was a result of all phases of the game including the D.
I don’t care what the stats say we played average Defense at best when it counted down the stretch. No matter how or why it all ultimately falls on the coach.
Looking forward to next season and I am hopeful for the greatest season on the banks since 1976
Go knights!
Perhaps a poor choice of words, I didn't mean it literally. But it seems he doesn't have answers. Esp on O
yeah I was over the line on the Mag comments. That part I'll admit Mr. Internet Stalker.
I follow ! re read your response Floux! Your response to being so bad at rebounding was our first shot defense. Which makes no sense! All good
We have debunked your midrange analytic (Jwill)
And defense numbers! (Rebounding). It’s a good day
Let’s not look at the great Pike and his Statue. What is the big ten record will engrave on the plate at the base of the Statue?
Chat later have to start the day
When did it “count down the stretch”? Are you talking about last year?
Presumably you are talking about the Minnesota/Purdue/Maryland stretch where we didn’t play great defense?
To put it lightly, it doesn’t make any sense to consider that “when it counted” while dismissing the prior seven game stretch of amazing defense as “not counting”. That’s what gave those next three games the opportunity to “count” in the first place!
I mean it does make sense. You could reasonably split defense into (a) how good you are at forcing misses or turnovers and (b) how good you are at rebounding those misses. If you are really good overall and bad at (b) it follows that you are really really good at (a).
You are arguing the performance of a 7-12 team.
I have had my say. I will continue to have my say.
You have had yours.
Go RU
Okay? That’s kind of my point lol there was no point at which it “counted down the stretch”.. it’s a 7-12 team. If you aren’t interested in discussing the team (which is bad because of offense, not defense) what are you even doing here?
Is the stength or Dylan's game actually mid range?
I've only seen 2 games but he he seemed to drive the ball all the way to the rim mostly from what I saw
Tell that to the New England Patriots when the giants beat them in the superbowl. I don’t think Brady goes around and talks about how great they were OR what they did prior to the Super Bowl. they didn’t get it done when it counted? That team was undefeated.
so every game regardless when it’s played or who it’s played against is the same? It doesn’t matter when you do or don’t play well?
From the 6 games I have seen and every pro scout that has written about him yes. Now granted I am going strictly what has been written by scouts and “experts” and a small sample size of games
I definitely have not seen enough of him live to be 100%
Honestly he can shoot from Stuff yet face as long as the ball goes in the basket.
Excited to have the young man play well
Just so you know where I am coming from better. I would NEVER say that about Pike because I can still see how much effort he is putting into things. However I would say that about several of his players and would have to hold him somewhat accountable there. THAT is more my gripe with him.
This is what happens when you cut basketball education from our schools, really sad stuff
This thread is amusing and scary at the same time. RUDivision below talking to everyone else
Have a bunch of whiny fans that have a temper tantrum after one bad season. Message Board Geniuses. Progress is not always linear. Maybe we can hire coach Slappy or the Indiana head coach.
And lets review the 14 years preceding Pikiell
And lets review the 14 years preceding Pikiell
| 1997-98 | Rutgers | Big East | 29 | 14 | 15 | .483 | 9.47 | 6.74 | |||||
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| 1998-99 | Rutgers | Big East | 32 | 19 | 13 | .594 | 12.22 | 7.22 | |||||
| 1999-00 | Rutgers | Big East | 31 | 15 | 16 | .484 | 6.62 | 4.40 | |||||
| 2000-01 | Rutgers | Big East | 27 | 11 | 16 | .407 | 4.75 | 5.24 |
Rutgers Scarlet Knights (Big East Conference) (2006–2010) | |||||
| 2006–07 | Rutgers | 10–19 | 3–13 | T–14th | |
| 2007–08 | Rutgers | 11–20 | 3–15 | T–15th | |
| 2008–09 | Rutgers | 11–21 | 2–16 | 15th | |
| 2009–10 | Rutgers | 15–17 | 5–13 | 14th |
Rutgers Scarlet Knights (Big East Conference) (2010–2013) | |||||
| 2010–11 | Rutgers | 15–17 | 5–13 | 13th | |
| 2011–12 | Rutgers | 14–18 | 6–12 | T–11th | |
| 2012–13 | Rutgers | 15–16* | 5–13 | 12th |
Rutgers Scarlet Knights (American Athletic Conference) (2013–2014) | |||||
| 2013–14 | Rutgers | 12–21 | 5–13 | 7th | |
Rutgers Scarlet Knights (Big Ten Conference) (2014–2016) | |||||
| 2014–15 | Rutgers | 10–22 | 2–16 | 14th | |
| 2015–16 | Rutgers | 7–25 | 1–17 | 14th |
back at you.. yup he's definitely better (not kidding) but here is his "peer to peer" scorecard and why I used the term average. 46% is even throwing first 2 years out the window and credit for OSU screw job. Removing any loses that came after round 1 of tourneys. Can't get any more charitable than that sir.
These are the same bling individuals who supported every bad coach from that history you posted until it was too late. It’s not one season unless you missed the last few years. None of those previous 30 years have any impact on our current situation. All of that is Prior to facilities being upgraded or the arena about to be upgraded or NIL. Wake up we don’t play in the barn any longer it’s a different hoops landscape. It’s sad to hear all of our ex Marching band members talking about there time in the stands 20 and 30 years ago not understanding how the modern game works.
Simply put and what I started with;
The momentum of the program has declined over the last five years(Facts) We have been and continue to be a poor offensive team, bad at substitution patterns and the ability to develop players.
We have a huge opportunity next year which Pike deserves credit for but he has to step up to that challenge. Not sure why that’s so controversial.
He shoots well from mid range but I am yet to see any scouting report say “the strength of his game is all midrange.” He’s a three level scorer.
Okay? No one is saying Brady should go around talking about it but all of the other games that got them to that point (maybe with the exception of a couple at the end of the regular season) also counted. People would say the same thing if they lost the AFC championship game instead. It doesn’t “count” until it’s the one you lose. It’s nonsense.
It matters but for the most part it’s not under your control. It doesn’t matter much for predicting the future. For obvious examples look at Virginia (losing “when it counted” in the first round and then winning the natty the next year) or Andy Reid in the NFL who was excoriated for “losing when it counted” in Philly and has gone on to even greater success in KC.
The defense is ranked 4th in the country, and that is with the best perimeter defender, Mag, battling injuries most of the season. The lack of continuity and consistency this year is due to a lack of good offensive players. Besides Dylan and Ace, there are three other guys in the class who would for your mold of guys who developed over their careers.
My post was to a different poster. However just curious about what players you feel are mailing it in? Because that's a pretty big and indicting claim. Personally I see some guys who are missing shots, but I don't see anyone who is not trying. It takes significant effort to play effective D and the team is ranked #4 by some metrics which would indicate they are not mailing it in. My understanding is that the O is coordinated by B Knight. I see perhaps a focus on high screens with some PNR as well as rotations to corner sets for potential 3s. I don't see lack of effort. Sure we sometimes get out rebounded, but some of that is lack of interior bulk compared to opponents and some is poor technique.
Like an iridescent lightning bolt up the ass, 230,000 Benjamins says the northern Pike is ours for the foreseeable future. Conundrums dumb dumbs and broken drums aint making shits creek flow in reverse. You can stroke my Cadillac but don’t step on my scarlet suede shoes. Never, ever do that. The horseshit runneth deep this year, our Addidases look like they have been worn by heifers in the field at tea time, but Ace and Dylan will clean up the mess and hopefully drain our spigots prior to winter’s deep freeze. Things to look forward too, along with toenail clipping day. Carpe Scrotum. Can I hold a candle to Bleem?
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Yeah, I realized that was a reply to someone else but I piggybacked just to be clear.
To answer your question I am again suggesting there is more to Mags "soreness" that develops pregame and if you missed Cliff walking around on defense last game after being called out by Pike then I would suggest taking a look if you have game recorded. Not to mention him barely being in the court vs. Nebby for his play.
I would also suggest the ability to make shots and share the ball is a function of focus and interest in team performance. I was in love with Fernandez a few games ago then he decided his time to throw up brick after brick and get into the me game.. the kicker not passing the ball to a hot GG for a wide open three late game so he could hoist yet another miss.
Sorry. I am angry with this team, program this year. They could have performed better. I do not think they stink anywhere near as much as they have at times. I do not think they are a 13.. more like a 9.
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Fans often get angry and need to rationalize or compartmentalize the blame into lanes such as coaching or effort. For me it comes down to the fact that there is another team on the floor which also plays hard. Rutgers is not good enough talent wise (offensively) to simply impose its will on other BIG teams - especially on the road. Does Pike have accountability for that....yes and I'm sure he would take that blame. But what you may see as lack of effort or or interest in team play.....I see as player frustration caused by lack of execution or being pulled out of the gameplan due to the opponent play. For instance, Fernendes didn't suddently alternate from a good player to a selfish one from game to game. He essentially was trying to do too much to account for the overall lack of team execution when RU hit a slump during the game. It happens in sports, players and teams get pulled out of their rhythm or gameplan all the time. The biggest challenge for RU this season is not having a superior goto guy who can be counted on to put the ball in the hoop during scoring droughts or crunch time.
