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If I were an RU fan, I wouldn't be very happy right now

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Minny just paid Fleck 5 years and $18.5M. Sometimes I wonder if you all are on a ship with no captain. Your admin just doesn't get it.

BTW, MN has no football talent and NJ is a freaking hotbed.

I'm probably flying off the handle here and don't know enough about revenue sharing and such but for once I would like to see your admin step up and bet on the come.
 
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I'm assuming you're reasoning that RU fans should be upset is because Minnesota spent real money to bring in a coach. When Ash was hired I sincerely doubt Fleck would have commanded the same contract he got today. A lot has changed. Plus, whose to say Fleck is a) worth all that dough or b) going to be more successful than Ash?
 
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Rutgers85 said:
Don't flame kjb. You're much better than that.
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Seriously not flaming. I read about money on here quite a bit. Admittedly, I don't know much about all of the revenue stuff but it just seems like your admin is cheap and has no vision. More than once RU posters have said penny wise and pound foolish.
 
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kjb- we are only about $40mil or so behind ALL the other B1G schools in as part of our buy in...Minny has the money to spare, we don't. And I am not sure I want Fleck here at 1.5 mil per year and certainly would have flipped the F out last year if we brought him in for that kind of money.
 
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kjb32812 said:
Minny just paid Fleck 5 years and $18.5M. Sometimes I wonder if you all are on a ship with no captain. Your admin just doesn't get it.

BTW, MN has no football talent and NJ is a freaking hotbed.

I'm probably flying off the handle here and don't know enough about revenue sharing and such but for once I would like to see your admin step up and bet on the come.
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One thing comes to mind when discussing Minny's coaching salary and what RU is paying : B1G revenue sharing, right now, is highly tilted in the Gopher's favor because they receiving a full share and Rutgers is receiving ( just a guess by me) approximately half of that.
Also the RU Athletic Department hasn't fully eliminated the financial help it has been receiving from the University and that subsidy shrinks every year until totally eliminated.
So whatever B1G revenue sharing increase Rutgers gets every year the Athletic Department has to balance that increase with the decrease in subsidies received from the University every year.
 
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kjb32812 said:
Seriously not flaming. I read about money on here quite a bit. Admittedly, I don't know much about all of the revenue stuff but it just seems like your admin is cheap and has no vision. More than once RU posters have said penny wise and pound foolish.
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Our admin is penny wise and pound foolish... but we're also bringing in nowhere close to Minnesota's revenue right now.

In 2015, the Big Ten distributed $32.4M each to its 11 long-standing members. By contrast, Rutgers got $10.5M.... slowly crawling up from our initial Big Ten conference payout of $9.4M. That's pretty much where we were at previously, as we got $9.5M in our last year in the AAC and $9.7M the year before that.

So, just over the last three years, we're about $60M behind Minnesota just in terms of conference revenue.

We're supposed to see revenue increase on a sliding scale until a full share in 2021. Can't start dropping huge money on coaches just yet.
 
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The only thing I'm angry about is that we had to wait 6 years before we get the same money as the teams we play. We beat the teams with smaller budgets than ours and lost all the games against teams with larger budgets. Sometimes it's not hard to figure it out. 3 more years. By then our players will be all Ash no Flood too, so we'll see. Sad but I accept it's a rebuild.
 
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kjb32812 said:
Minny just paid Fleck 5 years and $18.5M. Sometimes I wonder if you all are on a ship with no captain. Your admin just doesn't get it.

BTW, MN has no football talent and NJ is a freaking hotbed.

I'm probably flying off the handle here and don't know enough about revenue sharing and such but for once I would like to see your admin step up and bet on the come.
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It's probably been said 10 times but RU isn't getting the full share. When they do they will spend like the middle of the Big 10.
 
I think it is a fair point. However, Rutgers either didn't want to hire fleck last year or fleck didn't want to come here. It basically gave us the option of a ex HC that failed or an up and coming coordinator since we can't really afford 5 million for Dan Mullen. Seems like we didn't really need to pay Ash anymore than we already are. I'm just glad we finally gave him money for a staff. IE: What we're paying Jerry Kill
 
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RUChoppin said:
Our admin is penny wise and pound foolish... but we're also bringing in nowhere close to Minnesota's revenue right now.

In 2015, the Big Ten distributed $32.4M each to its 11 long-standing members. By contrast, Rutgers got $10.5M.... slowly crawling up from our initial Big Ten conference payout of $9.4M. That's pretty much where we were at previously, as we got $9.5M in our last year in the AAC and $9.7M the year before that.

So, just over the last three years, we're about $60M behind Minnesota just in terms of conference revenue.

We're supposed to see revenue increase on a sliding scale until a full share in 2021. Can't start dropping huge money on coaches just yet.
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Appreciate the explanation as I didn't know the exact details.

Again, couldn't they start throwing some money at it now? I don't know how the inner workings of college admin finance works but I'm sure someone on here does.
 
I'm probably flying off the handle here and don't know enough about revenue sharing .....


go to the chalk board & write this 100 times


Seriously what happened today in today's coaching market is almost kind of irrelevant - Ash was & is viewed as a credible choice and he was hired over a year ago - and at price fairly commensurate with the market as it was and if there were any questions about $$$ - it was more about what Ash would be given to work with to build a staff - and while they did not open up Ft. Knox, he was granted enough financial support to make various enhancements and to an expanded off field staff. Don't know the exact numbers - but suspect the recent on field staff changes also required some loosening of the purse-strings.

Are you saying that a year ago RU should have just pulled out the check book & signed a coach for $3- 4 - 5 Million a year ? - of course you realize that would almost automatically mean the the budget for staff would also skyrocket - because a coach that commands premium comp is going to hire similar premium comp staff - maybe some B1G teams can easily do that - but it would be a serious challenge for one that is not yet getting a full revenue share - and since RU was & is in a genuine rebuild - it make it a bigger challenge - few premium compensation coaches want to take on a serious 4-5 year turn-around "project"
 
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I always read about facilities on here as well. If you had an extra $10M, what would you anticipate it being used for?
 
RUMBA-JK said:
I'm probably flying off the handle here and don't know enough about revenue sharing .....


go to the chalk board & write this 100 times


Seriously what happened today in today's coaching market is almost kind of irrelevant - Ash was & is viewed as a credible choice and he was hired over a year ago - and at price fairly commensurate with the market as it was and if there were any questions about $$$ - it was more about what Ash would be given to work with to build a staff - and while they did not open up Ft. Knox, he was granted enough financial support to make various enhancements and to an expanded off field staff. Don't know the exact numbers - but suspect the recent on field staff changes also required some loosening of the purse-strings.

Are you saying that a year ago RU should have just pulled out the check book & signed a coach for $3- 4 - 5 Million a year ? - of course you realize that would almost automatically mean the the budget for staff would also skyrocket - because a coach that commands premium comp is going to hire similar premium comp staff - maybe some B1G teams can easily do that - but it would be a serious challenge for one that is not yet getting a full revenue share - and since RU was & is in a genuine rebuild - it make it a bigger challenge - few premium compensation coaches want to take on a serious 4-5 year turn-around "project"
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Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense.
 
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yesrutgers01 said:
kjb- we are only about $40mil or so behind ALL the other B1G schools in as part of our buy in...Minny has the money to spare, we don't. And I am not sure I want Fleck here at 1.5 mil per year and certainly would have flipped the F out last year if we brought him in for that kind of money.
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Thanks for the explanation.
 
RUskoolie said:
OP troll game strong

I would have blown a gasket if we hired that clown. He's a version of Dabo without a budget for million dollar coordinators. Gimmick stuff doesn't work in this conference.
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Yo.

Not trolling. Also, I believe you compared him to Franklin (flame intended [winking]).
 
We have Jerry Kill as our OC for $650K/year (I think).
Less than 2 years ago Jerry Kill was in PJ Fleck's shoes. Jerry Kill took over a train wreck in 2011, and he had two 8-5 seasons in 2013 and 2014. Jerry Kill had a similar record at Southern Illinois and NIU (10-3/8-0 in his last year).
Jerry Kill for $650K or PJ Fleck for $3.5 Million? Hmmmmmm. . . . .
 
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I understand what you mean kjb.
Given our fertile recruiting ground a known commodity 3 or 4 million dollar a year coach would probably have immediate recruiting success.
How long it would last would be based upon results.
That coach IMO would not have been Fleck.
 
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I believe fans of other teams have said wait till you get the full share and I believe we have one hand tied behind our back compared to other programs.
 
Knight Shift said:
We have Jerry Kill as our OC for $650K/year (I think).
Less than 2 years ago Jerry Kill was in PJ Fleck's shoes. Jerry Kill took over a train wreck in 2011, and he had two 8-5 seasons in 2013 and 2014. Jerry Kill had a similar record at Southern Illinois and NIU (10-3/8-0 in his last year).
Jerry Kill for $650K or PJ Fleck for $3.5 Million? Hmmmmmm. . . . .
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Not trying to downplay the hiring of Kill but would like to know if anyone else was after him.
 
kjb32812 said:
I always read about facilities on here as well. If you had an extra $10M, what would you anticipate it being used for?
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We're playing catch up all over the place. Right now, an extra $10M would probably go toward the Build Fund - which is trying to bring our sports infrastructure up to snuff across all sports.

Another thing to consider is the politics/optics within the state. Not long ago, we were at the top of the "most subsidized athletics program in the country" list, and took a ton of flak for it in the local press. We also eliminated 6 sports, and again took a beating for it. Reducing the subsidy has been a high priority for the administration - so dropping huge money on a coach right now would have drawn a lot of unwanted attention.
 
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RUChoppin said:
We're playing catch up all over the place. Right now, an extra $10M would probably go toward the Build Fund - which is trying to bring our sports infrastructure up to snuff across all sports.

Another thing to consider is the politics/optics within the state. Not long ago, we were at the top of the "most subsidized athletics program in the country" list, and took a ton of flak for it in the local press. We also eliminated 6 sports, and again took a beating for it. Reducing the subsidy has been a high priority for the administration - so dropping huge money on a coach right now would have drawn a lot of unwanted attention.
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Thanks
 
Right now we have a new coach and staff, who just came off their first year of trying to dig up a program the last staff had done its best to bury. Coming out of Year 3, it'll be 2019, and we'll likely be making almost twice the conference revenue we are now with an eye toward a 100% share two years further out.... so, we'll be able to either fish or cut bait at that point, either spending money to retain/extend Ash or spending money to go after more of a "name" coach.
 
kjb32812 said:
Careful, I think you are teetering on the brink of saying *s don't matter.
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No. I'm saying if MN wants to pay that much for a relative unknown, it's up to them. Coaches come and go. Just Google who the 'hot' up-&-coming coaching candidates were from 5 years ago and where they are now.

Hey, who knows? Maybe he's this year's Franklin?

Odds are he isn't.
 
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Think about the situation last year. If we hired a coach from the MAC that just came off his second 8-5 season in a row and had a career record of 17-21, it would be a home run lol. Get a clue OP.
 
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