Kristen Somogyi - throwing it out there
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you have your opinion I have mine.
.The truth might be the way I put it, or the way you believe.
Unless one of us can prove our opinion the truth of matter, we will disagree on the issue.
But should feel the other has a right to state what they feel, unless can prove that feeling is wrong.
Giving benefit of doubt might be bull to you, but I'll just keep that opinion ,until you prove what you believe is true and not just a feeling.
Just like I can't prove the scenarios I stated, you haven't proved what you are trying to imply.
I'm not going to look up pics of every team in the B1G, or the country as I have a lasagna to go make for company tonight, men's BB game. But if anyone else wants to, please do. Nebraska game I saw the other night might have had one black kid.
Why are you showing random ridiculous tiny colleges
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one black player rest all white or one white player among a black dominated roster proves diversity
Rutgers having white players on the roster during CVS' tenure means RU WBB is a diverse program.
If having white players on the roster over the years proves the one is enough to prove theory of a program's diversity , when a picture of a roster is produced
Thanks Zap. I'm sure your lasagna is better than mine. My ex father in law and his family were 150% Sicilian. They lived in Caldwell not far from you. Have a blast at the game tonight.
to show some programs are all white.
Program isn't ridiculous to it's fanbase, even if lower that the attendance of RU WBB games lately.
And it might now be racisim that makes the roster the way it looks, just the interest in program or HC's style of play
Might be a dumb way to prove a point, but it does show diversity is in the eye of beholder and racism might not be part of picture.
This statement reminds me of my youth and meatless Friday.
Every Friday I tried to get invited to my friend's house for dinner because my mom made fish type ugh food. Meatless lasagna, cheese ravioli and spaghetti with meatless sauce was preferable to tuna casserole in my book and the food was great.
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It’s important for you to know, I come from a place of feeling fortunate and blessed to have grown up with and played a pro sport surrounded by complete diversity….It’s an experience I cherish.
I understand what you are saying and also feel that you're not saying anything that hasn't crossed my mind .
Just that you see it differently them me, but bear no maliciousness in your thought.
Also I think the reason why we butt heads occasionally is we are opinionated and strongly back
what we feel, but mean no offense doing so.
My experience growing up had me see people looked down upon and even had a neighbor that owned a small construction company, with his brother, that built houses in a wealthy area and he was barred from buying one of the houses he was part of building because of his religion.
I lived just blocks away from an area that most of the residents wasn't wanted to move in the area I lived in by the adults living there.
I was able to get along with everyone and most of those I hung with did as well, but there were still a lot that had the better than you attitude towards others not like them and diversity wasn't in their bones
Growing up I seen some things that made me look at how groups of people made themselves better than others and thought nothing of it.
That wasn't in the south, but a nice suburb in Jersey and during my time growing up diversity was just beginning to creep into the American way of life, but had strong resistance.
I don't take diversity lightly, in any shape or form because I come from a time it wasn't something everyone wanted.
I didn't notice any African American coaches on the Iowa bench last night. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Did you watch the Iowa game last night?
There are teams, both men's and women's, where minority players are a small minority.
CVS loved to recruit Black athletic players. Sometimes one out of three could put the ball in the basket. That formula does not get you a Big Ten championship level team.
The URI coach raised a bottom of the league team to competitive in a couple of years.
Can she take them to championship level? She got some bad advise if she signed a two year renewal which would prevent her from consideration for the RU job for next year unless her agents spoke to Hobbs.
And Madhat: Really? You don't think race and gender will come into play at the State University of New Jersey? Should it? Of course not. But Hobbs is the clown who gave CVS a $5 million contract where she doesn't have to coach. Where is the money to pay a solid new hire and quality staff?
Sounds like you're speculating on a possible candidate for the RU job that might not hve been offered it or had even considered leaving RI
She might be an up and comer and having a great year this season, but when CVS signed her extension Tammi was 24-24 as the Rams HC and many who tout her now might have disproved of her hiring at the time.
Not wanting Stringer to stay but someone they considered better then Reiss.
Right now I'd be happy with Tammi replacing Vivian and ,despite my support for CVS over the years, feel it's time for her to go.
As for recruiting players CVS doesn't have a track record of having a completely racially balanced team , but she doesn't seem averse to bringing in all types, just that the black players seem OK with the type of play she expects while thew others seem to feel it's not their style and think O more than D.
Even many of the ones she gets, no matter their color, have a hard time executing the type of O needed to win while being focused on the type of D Vivian demands
As for the money to pay for replacement while paying Stringer, that's a damm good question and does worry me.
I expressed that and some posters claimed the money would be there and no worries .
But I still feel RU will be hampered and look for a low cost but feel good gamble, replacement.
That might work out, if quality staff is hired and getting both at low cost is hard to do..
As for Vivian's extension,I had no problem unto found out she hadn't been part of the program t shortly after signing on dotted line and her LOA keeps her from talking to the staff to help the team do better.
I feel she bears responsibility for how this season is,LOA or not, and deserves to be looked at as one of the reasons this season is a disaster.
My opinion of the LOA is that she didn't want to be moved to an administrative position, for a year with Tim interim HC , then told ,after the season's over, to stay there and see Hobbs hire her replacement.because RU isn't sure she can handle the duties needed the HC needs to do to make RU more competitive in the B1G.
Maybe I shouldn't share this thought given the heat in this thread... but I once thought that it might be hard for a black coach to attract good white players. IIRC, I first thought this when CVS vs GENO for recruits came up way back when. While black players seemed more than happy to go play for Geno or Pat Summitt, CVS didn't seem to recruit the "pony tail" 3-point shooters that other schools could get.
Do good white players want to go play for a black coaching staff? Is it harder for black coaches to recruit from all skin tones? Is it harder for them to attract assistant coaches of all skin tones?
The answer cannot be that you cannot hire a black female head coach. That seems short-sighted if not outright illegal... but does doing so limit what your team looks like and their ultimate performance?
Do good white players want to go play for a black coaching staff? Is it harder for black coaches to recruit from all skin tones? Is it harder for them to attract assistant coaches of all skin tones?
The answer cannot be that you cannot hire a black female head coach. That seems short-sighted if not outright illegal... but does doing so limit what your team looks like and their ultimate performance?
Glad you made this point. If we want to have an honest discussion on the topic, we have to acknowledge that this is a country that has conditioned all of us to have certain biases that shape our views and actions, whether consciously or subconsciously, toward the various skin tones and ethnicities.
It brings to mind the well documented experiments involving kids choosing dolls. If you had a scenario of a diverse group of kids sitting on the gym floor and diverse group of coaches spread out, one in each section of bleachers, and we ask each kid to choose the coach they want to play for, .........in most cases, they will make that choice on life experience, conditioned thought that may make them more comfortable with a person who looks a certain way.
There are some really deep points to be made on this topic that we could use historian/psychologist to get the answers we're looking for.
Also a good point. I would just add ....feel "truly" wanted. Not just wanted to win games and make a coach look good. Wanted as a person as well as a player. As we have seen, the best recruiters are the ones that are able to convince players that they are going to be cared for on and off the court.
Could also be adapted to the other side of the equation, flipping from players choosing coaches to coaches choosing players. If a coach does not recruit "certain types of players" who is more guilty of bias?
Those are the deep complexities of the problems of race in America. It is really sad that things are that way. But I wouldn't blame someone who historically ends up on the short end of these biases that exist in this country for a natural reaction to the existing conditions.
Like I said, we all have certain biases. If we talk about the flipped scenario, yes, coaches have biases that shape their actions. You can include a Geno for example in that . You can say he doesn't recruit a certain type of player. We can also question, why is that? IMO, this may be the case for the same reason CVS' teams end up looking a certain way. Comfort level and some of those deeper reasons that Good Ol' Rutgers and I posted about above.
Geno would recruit a poor purple person if that girl could get him a championship. He recruits everyone and everywhere if they could play. Has nothing to do with how much mom and dad have in the bank.
He’s a sorry-ass clueless ideologue. Can’t see past his nose.
Should be embarrassed but apparently has no shame.
The thing is, he has the entire pool to choose from. There are so many good players out there that he can fill a roster twice with All Americans without having to choose a player that may come from a certain socioeconomic background. This is just my opinion.
I'm going on what I've seen over the years. Maybe I'm wrong about the players he's had and their backgrounds.
And it's not really about the amount of money in the parents pockets as it is about the different complexities that may come with recruits coming from underserved communities or in some cases, dysfunctional family situations. The traumas that some experience leave scars that can require a lot of attention. Some coaches just choose to avoid those possible scenarios if they can. Geno definitely has that luxury.
I somewhat agree with you. Geno has the pick of the litter and doesn't have to take fliers. But it wasn't always that way. He created over time a dynasty that allowed him to become the "recruited" rather than the recruiter. I am no fan of Geno, but Geno would never limit the pool of possible candidates if that candidate could help him win. He would never limit the talent pool by more than 50%.
Actually Geno is extremely careful in who he recruits. He looks for players (regardless of race or background, per se) that conduct themselves and play in a certain way that he thinks will fit in with the other players.
I agree. But to say that Geno would not recruit a certain socioeconomic status is false. As I said in another post he built a dynasty where his program became the recruited rather than the recruiter. He could become more selective of who he brought into the program. It was never about color of skin or socioeconomic background. It was who was a solid citizen and who could help him win national championships. Nothing else and if that person was purple so be it.
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