More Truth from Onthebanks blog

[bac2therac]

1. No one can win with the injuries to this roster.

2. Rutgers Basketball needs to end its cycle of fire, buy out, hire, buy out - in order to have the necessary resources available to invest in a real candidate and leave him with a full roster.

3. If not, the the next coach needs to be given ample time (5-7 years - both in contract length and actual years completing the contract) to allow him to dig out of a whole with limited resources.

I say let that process play out now instead of prolonging it. We'll see what happens.

Hobbs is the new AD....RU is in the Big 10....we need tons of money. You cant sell donations with Eddie. The process has to play out? huh..no that does not make sense.

what needs to happen is a commitment from Hobbs to better the program and that involves ending the charade and hiring a new coach and it has nothing to do with what happened before because RU kept hiring the wrong coaches

 

[Mr Magoo]

I may give up my season tix or keep just one as a way to ensure I don't lose priority points for football parking. The past 3 season it has been a chore to go the RAC,,,its not fun and way worse than during Hill, the dwindling number of season ticket holders are only going to get smaller next year if Eddie is brought back. We need a change and a feeling of hope.

I went to the Howard game and the Seton Hall game. After the Seton Hall game, I swore to never go back until Jordan was gone or somehow the ship got turned around. I sold/gave/ate the remaining tickets. There are at least 4 others in my section who are doing the same.

After re-evaluating every year for the past several, I absolutely will not renew next year if Jordan is still here. It's not a threat - just a fact. Four of my friends are doing the same. I actually feel like the administration is laughing at us by having people that actually pay for this garbage. I also know the administration couldn't care less about 6 seats, but each year 6 seats becomes a larger portion of the remaining die-hard season tickets holders. I was hoping to pass these tickets down to my sons, but they too have lost interest. Such a shame - such great memories at the RAC when they were little.

 

[bac2therac]

And you among others are complaining that what we have is not enough, so what NEW players does a new coach bring in for next year after this season is over and EJ gets fired?

And you among others are complaining that what we have is not enough, so what NEW players does a new coach bring in for next year after this season is over and EJ gets fired?

its not about next year, its about the future and getting it right

 

[bac2therac]

I'll go one further: I may question Hobbs's job if he doesn't get rid of Jordan.

if Hobbs retains Jordan it certainly basically means its status quo with RU commitment toward basketball continuing to kick the can. Hobbs can make a bold statement that will help donations or he can go the safe route that further erodes the fanbase and make people not want to give toward facilitiies

 

[ruman]

I went to the Howard game and the Seton Hall game. After the Seton Hall game, I swore to never go back until Jordan was gone or somehow the ship got turned around. I sold/gave/ate the remaining tickets. There are at least 4 others in my section who are doing the same.

After re-evaluating every year for the past several, I absolutely will not renew next year if Jordan is still here. It's not a threat - just a fact. Four of my friends are doing the same. I actually feel like the administration is laughing at us by having people that actually pay for this garbage. I also know the administration couldn't care less about 6 seats, but each year 6 seats becomes a larger portion of the remaining die-hard season tickets holders. I was hoping to pass these tickets down to my sons, but they too have lost interest. Such a shame - such great memories at the RAC when they were little.

This is not somebody being disloyal and negative. This is reality. This disaster reached a tipping point.

Most people where I am have good seats and don't want to give them up in case things ever change - it ends this year for me, at least for the full allotment.

And you can not give these seats away when you can't make a game - no one wants them. Its no longer fun - it feels like a job.

 

[Mr Magoo]

This is not somebody being disloyal and negative. This is reality. This disaster reached a tipping point.

Most people where I am have good seats and don't want to give them up in case things ever change - it ends this year for me, at least for the full allotment.

And you can not give these seats away when you can't make a game - no one wants them. Its no longer fun - it feels like a job.

Exactly. Last year, I got a call from some arrogant young inexperienced kid who reminded me to renew my tickets. I told him that I hadn't decided if I was renewing yet and he said it was my loss, "we have Corey Sanders" and told me to call call him back if it was before the deadline and ended the call.

I've been a season ticket holder for 25+ years and support the program and I certainly don't need my ass kissed, but it's unbelievable how badly this program doesn't "get it".

 

[RUsojo]

BAC (or anyone else lol): Question

Do you believe it's more cost effective to buy-out EJ, hire a new coach understanding you're eating away at the budget for the new coach/assistants, and fund raise 4/1/2016 pitching the new coach for an expected completion date 5 years from now (not even getting into having only 7-8 scholarship players in year 1).

Or is it more cost effective to retain Eddie, save on the buy-out, have a full roster (I'll even give leighway 10-12), and worst case of Eddie doesn't show improvement, start the process one year later 4/1/2017, with 4 years before construction to fundraiser with new coach, and full resources to hire that coach and assistants, and leave him with a full roster (10-12).

It seems to me that Rutgers basketball long term and short term would be better off supporting Eddie one more year with a full roster of his recruits - if not for him, for the next coach, and the program as whole. It's a good thing the fundraising effort is for all sports as not only basketball donors are needed right away even though in the end we'll need all hands on deck.


Sorry for the grammar/structure I'm typing on my phone from work.

 

[bac2therac]

BAC (or anyone else lol): Question

Do you believe it's more cost effective to buy-out EJ, hire a new coach understanding you're eating away at the budget for the new coach/assistants, and fund raise 4/1/2016 pitching the new coach for an expected completion date 5 years from now (not even getting into having only 7-8 scholarship players in year 1).

Or is it more cost effective to retain Eddie, save on the buy-out, have a full roster (I'll even give leighway 10-12), and worst case of Eddie doesn't show improvement, start the process one year later 4/1/2017, with 4 years before construction to fundraiser with new coach, and full resources to hire that coach and assistants, and leave him with a full roster (10-12).

It seems to me that Rutgers basketball long term and short term would be better off supporting Eddie one more year with a full roster of his recruits - if not for him, for the next coach, and the program as whole. It's a good thing the fundraising effort is for all sports as not only basketball donors are needed right away even though in the end we'll need all hands on deck.


Sorry for the grammar/structure I'm typing on my phone from work.

you have to extend or he cant recruit...I said this before...you have to fire or extend..are you willing. Listen I don't know what those supporting Eddie are expecting out of next year, I know some think we will win 8 Big 10 games and be around 500. which is ludicrous. Its is reasonable to think the team may win 4 conference games and then finish 13-19 tops. Okay well then what do you do with him, do you fire him and once again risk Sanders leaving or do you let him coach a 5th year well to do that you have to extend him either this year or next.

See many of the one more year types on the board seem to have an affinity for Jordan and don't want to be too hard on him, others seem to follow the program from a distance with no vested interest or knowledge and say oh its injuries give him one more year. The fact is if you bringing him back next year you are bringing back for 2. This team isn't jumping to 500 next year...well its like a 1% chance yet the Eddie supporters feel its the likely scenario.

Hobbs has two years to raise that money and get that tax credit...tell me why would I want to donate to a practice facility if Eddie is being supported as head coach which shows you are not committed to winning and just want to kick the can down the road. Just as with Flood which many freaked and said ahhhhhhh we cant afford to buy him out and hire someone.....ahhh we have to wait 6 years...no we don't. Barchi showed that when he canned Julie and Fudd. Hobbs is tasked with building this hoops program up. You don't do that by accepting losing. You do whats necessary now

 

[RUsojo]

I hear ya. He probably won't be recruiting much next class anyway considering the scholarship situation. You know my whole thing isn't necessarily about Eddie but the scope of our situation when he took over and now abandoning, what at that time was consirered by many insiders and most outsiders, as a 5-7 year plan.

I just find it interesting people are saying we should fire Eddie, hire a college basketball coach, and give him the 5 years we are not giving Eddie. Because we all know in our heart of hearts the next guy, no matter who it is, will want and need at least 5 full years.

 

[RutgersYay]

I hear ya. He probably won't be recruiting much next class anyway considering the scholarship situation. You know my whole thing isn't necessarily about Eddie but the scope of our situation when he took over and now abandoning, what at that time was consirered by many insiders and most outsiders, as a 5-7 year plan.

I just find it interesting people are saying we should fire Eddie, hire a college basketball coach, and give him the 5 years we are not giving Eddie. Because we all know in our heart of hearts the next guy, no matter who it is, will want and need at least 5 full years.

Here's the difference and why I'm willing to give the next guy 5 years. This is historically bad. And it's not just the injuries, there's been 2 other years that are just as bad. Believe me, if the next guy isn't recruiting and isn't improving and aiming for NIT by at least year four, you're probably looking to can him too. A 5-7 year project should probably look more like what Kevin Willard is doing rather than what Jordan is doing. Some point to Crean, but he had the recruiting going for him that Jordan doesn't going into next year.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

because he has no argument, so he and the few supporters left go after the poster as if they are the ones creating the drama...listen the board isn't creating the crapfest, its there already, pretending it doesn't exist doesn't help anyone including the Ad

My position about the state of the program has been well documented. ( I'll locate it and post it again ) When I post it people have the right to disagree. Many have disagreed.

One thing I DON'T DO.....post the same things over and over to the point where the message board becomes unreadable.

 

[goru7]

That's where your myopia comes in, 118.
If that I'll-advised decision is made, I'm certain the overwhelming majority will root for the jersey as we've always done.

You support every coach until he's not the coach anymore. Why would you think this would be different?

Bullshit, you of all people, never understand what a depleted roster does to a whole team and how everyone plays out of position ! You ridicule them. Criticizing effort , failure to make open shots and layups for a Division 1 athlete is fair game but not your stuff. You don't say anything that would be supportive of our kids

 

[ruman]

My position about the state of the program has been well documented. ( I'll locate it and post it again ) When I post it people have the right to disagree. Many have disagreed.

One thing I DON'T DO.....post the same things over and over to the point where the message board becomes unreadable.

Could be the funniest thing ever

 

[rutgerstruefan]

Two things I know.

1.) Rutgers fan are just cheap, so do not count on money coming.

2.) Nearly impossible to win with all the injuries the team has. They can't even run a proper practice.

.. I agree it has become tough to go to games, but there comes a point where you cannot continue to hit the reset button over and over.

 

[goru7]

This is why the administration is beginning to look to cut ties. They are afraid of next year knowing full well that even with some improvement it simply won't quell the hostility towards Coach and make it near impossible for him to coach and recruit.

That is why I was told a few weeks ago that the plan was still to bring him back and to see if he can make serious improvement next year with a healthier roster but now they fear a full out revolt from the donor class and fan base and so I have been told they are already making inquiries into possible new coaches.

What fan base or donor base? We don't support the basketball team or what donors have you seen around these parts, none, that is a fact. I am one of the few 1250 season ticket holders, that is a fact that a university our size has only 1250 season ticket holders .
This is political correctness at its worst. Cannot handle the stories of the losing record, like 10-21 would make anyone think more highly of Rutgers. Taking a mob position without knowing all the facts. Let Hobbs prove he has a backbone , let everyone know we have a situation this year that no team in the country has had to endure. And Before that stupid response from Bac comes back , every team has injuries, the answer is no team has had the injuries at one position group . Also , not one team in the country has had to play 3 walkons for meaningful minutes this year. Hobbs has to make that known to boosters if they do not already understand it . That is his job. No one said it would be easy. We are talking about Rutgers where nothing is ever easy

 

[ruman]

What fan base or donor base? We don't support the basketball team or what donors have you seen around these parts, none, that is a fact. I am one of the few 1250 season ticket holders, that is a fact that a university our size has only 1250 season ticket holders .
This is political correctness at its worst. Cannot handle the stories of the losing record, like 10-21 would make anyone think more highly of Rutgers. Taking a mob position without knowing all the facts. Let Hobbs prove he has a backbone , let everyone know we have a situation this year that no team in the country has had to endure. And Before that stupid response from Bac comes back , every team has injuries, the answer is no team has had the injuries at one position group . Also , not one team in the country has had to play 3 walkons for meaningful minutes this year. Hobbs has to make that known to boosters if they do not already understand it . That is his job. No one said it would be easy. We are talking about Rutgers where nothing is ever easy

or he could just fire Eddie - he has nothing invested in him.

And losing 30 straight is a tough way to get people to open their wallets

 

[goru7]

or he could just fire Eddie - he has nothing invested in him.

And losing 30 straight is a tough way to get people to open their wallets

What wallets are you opening? The crickets you have heard for the last 20 years? Do you think Hobbs is the Wizard of Oz who will waive his magic wand and viola, donors are coming out of the woodwork. You have to be kidding , right ?

 

[goru7]

or he could just fire Eddie - he has nothing invested in him.

And losing 30 straight is a tough way to get people to open their wallets

He has a full roster invested in him. You want to blow it up and that is what he would be doing

 

[Local Shill]

Bullshit, you of all people, never understand what a depleted roster does to a whole team and how everyone plays out of position ! You ridicule them. Criticizing effort , failure to make open shots and layups for a Division 1 athlete is fair game but not your stuff. You don't say anything that would be supportive of our kids

I've never once ridiculed the players. Your allegation is false. I'm not going to be lectured by a Johnny-come-lately to the board like you.

 

[goru7]

I've never once ridiculed the players. Your allegation is false. I'm not going to be lectured by a Johnny-come-lately to the board like you.

With your posts you need more than a lecture you need to find your soul!

 

[ruman]

With your posts you need more than a lecture you need to find your soul!

Heavy

 

[ru66]

as if having thousands of posts makes one a credible/reasonable poster--as one duplicitous poster has said argue the points and don't attack the (post) writers (what a laugh when he does just that)--80001 complaints and ad nauseam fire Jordan posts is ridiculous--AND I'm NOT DEFENDING JORDAN--my point is--beating a dead horse sucks

 

[ScarletRunner]

BAC (or anyone else lol): Question

Do you believe it's more cost effective to buy-out EJ, hire a new coach understanding you're eating away at the budget for the new coach/assistants, and fund raise 4/1/2016 pitching the new coach for an expected completion date 5 years from now (not even getting into having only 7-8 scholarship players in year 1).

Or is it more cost effective to retain Eddie, save on the buy-out, have a full roster (I'll even give leighway 10-12), and worst case of Eddie doesn't show improvement, start the process one year later 4/1/2017, with 4 years before construction to fundraiser with new coach, and full resources to hire that coach and assistants, and leave him with a full roster (10-12).

It seems to me that Rutgers basketball long term and short term would be better off supporting Eddie one more year with a full roster of his recruits - if not for him, for the next coach, and the program as whole. It's a good thing the fundraising effort is for all sports as not only basketball donors are needed right away even though in the end we'll need all hands on deck.


Sorry for the grammar/structure I'm typing on my phone from work.

Fair post, and reasonable position.

I felt the same way ~ 1 month ago, and posted as much. I had little confidence Eddie was going to get it done, but why not bide our time one more year, get closer to B1G money, take time and make a really good hire, etc. Like you, I don't think the recruiting thing is such a big issue because of the way the scholarships line up and the potential for a grad transfer or JUCO to plug a roster hole. I was content to let Eddie be a steward for another year and bridge to another coach.

But what has transpired over the last month has been too much. Another spate of blowouts (We seem to be conditioned to the point where a 20-point loss isn't even viewed as a blowout.) our two best players suspended, and a mini-tirade by Eddie are enough for me. Combine that with no recruits in the wings with any legitimate major conference offers, and it seems pretty hopeless. At some point, some minimal threshold for productivity is crossed, and you need to make a change. Allowing this to continue sends a terrible message to the fans who have supported the program, and is an issue when asking folks to donate or up donations.

 

[mrslate]

My position about the state of the program has been well documented. ( I'll locate it and post it again ) When I post it people have the right to disagree. Many have disagreed.

One thing I DON'T DO.....post the same things over and over to the point where the message board becomes unreadable.

Bingo, bingo, bingo. Bac, you should give it a rest for one more reason: I think you will get what you want.

 

[Hondo77]

Bullshit, you of all people, never understand what a depleted roster does to a whole team and how everyone plays out of position ! You ridicule them. Criticizing effort , failure to make open shots and layups for a Division 1 athlete is fair game but not your stuff. You don't say anything that would be supportive of our kids

This team was bad before the injuries.

 

[MADHAT1]

because he has no argument, so he and the few supporters left go after the poster as if they are the ones creating the drama...listen the board isn't creating the crapfest, its there already, pretending it doesn't exist doesn't help anyone including the Ad

both sides go after those that have a different opinion.
It's not just those who think Jordan deserves another year that attack other posters.
Those who want Eddie gone do their share of belittling those they disagree with.

Heck I bet some who were attacking Dan White ( count me among them) for his opposition to Hermann being hired , now are praising him for putting out a article about why Jordan needs to be replaced.

I've seen other OTB articles by White that are for getting rid of Jordan and I found them quite fair if you just go by results and don't have confidence in Jordan being able to turn RU around.
Though I think the roadblocks Eddie faced and this year's injuries should count , I understand why some don't feel they should be a major factor when Hobbs decides Jordan's future after this season.

 

[MADHAT1]

I'm against Hobbs keeping Jordan just because of the finances involved.
I think it will take awhile before this program starts to get better under anyone except a Coach K or someone like him.
Might as well pay Jordan off and invest in the future now rather to delay the inevitable if Hobbs feels Eddie can't get the job done.
If Hobbs feels the injuries delayed progress then , by all means, keep Jordan on .
But Hobbs should only keep him if he feels Eddie can point RU MBB in the right direction and money has nothing to do with keeping Jordan as HC.

 

[bac2therac]

both sides go after those that have a different opinion.
It's not just those who think Jordan deserves another year that attack other posters.
Those who want Eddie gone do their share of belittling those they disagree with.

Heck I bet some who were attacking Dan White ( count me among them) for his opposition to Hermann being hired , now are praising him for putting out a article about why Jordan needs to be replaced.

I've seen other OTB articles by White that are for getting rid of Jordan and I found them quite fair if you just go by results and don't have confidence in Jordan being able to turn RU around.
Though I think the roadblocks Eddie faced and this year's injuries should count , I understand why some don't feel they should be a major factor when Hobbs decides Jordan's future after this season.

I have had dustups with Dave White before...my problems with him and Onthebanks blog concerned the way they defended media interests and not RU during all the Julie stuff. I was disappointed about the blind support of every NJ media outlook and national too on some of the nonsense like Disney experience or Tyree or Penn St jokes/apology, and of course wishing the Ledger would die. I felt that it was too much of a circle jerk, media supporting media, supporting their own and lack of supporting RU. I felt they took unnecessary snarky digs

Dave White was a pretty big Jordan supporter until a few months ago which I definitely disagreed with and I disagreed with him on that somehow Julie being AD was hurting him and that Eddie could get things done with her gone. So its not like I blindly agree with the guy over everything. I feel that since Julie/Flood gone that Onthebanks has been more than fair with Rutgers and pretty supportive of Ash and Hobbs.

 

[bac2therac]

as if having thousands of posts makes one a credible/reasonable poster--as one duplicitous poster has said argue the points and don't attack the (post) writers (what a laugh when he does just that)--80001 complaints and ad nauseam fire Jordan posts is ridiculous--AND I'm NOT DEFENDING JORDAN--my point is--beating a dead house sucks

its a dead horse, not house but I agree , it sucks to be in this position yet again with the basketball program. I am fully confident that Hobbs can get this done and I am happy that he is the AD to deal with this and not Jules.

 

[bac2therac]

What fan base or donor base? We don't support the basketball team or what donors have you seen around these parts, none, that is a fact. I am one of the few 1250 season ticket holders, that is a fact that a university our size has only 1250 season ticket holders .
This is political correctness at its worst. Cannot handle the stories of the losing record, like 10-21 would make anyone think more highly of Rutgers. Taking a mob position without knowing all the facts. Let Hobbs prove he has a backbone , let everyone know we have a situation this year that no team in the country has had to endure. And Before that stupid response from Bac comes back , every team has injuries, the answer is no team has had the injuries at one position group . Also , not one team in the country has had to play 3 walkons for meaningful minutes this year. Hobbs has to make that known to boosters if they do not already understand it . That is his job. No one said it would be easy. We are talking about Rutgers where nothing is ever easy

tell me how promising it it is to have your best two best players undergoing MAJOR SUSPENSION..how is that for candyland.

 

[bac2therac]

Here's the difference and why I'm willing to give the next guy 5 years. This is historically bad. And it's not just the injuries, there's been 2 other years that are just as bad. Believe me, if the next guy isn't recruiting and isn't improving and aiming for NIT by at least year four, you're probably looking to can him too. A 5-7 year project should probably look more like what Kevin Willard is doing rather than what Jordan is doing. Some point to Crean, but he had the recruiting going for him that Jordan doesn't going into next year.

people can give a guy 5 years when they see the energy and passion and recruiting....you know like Mike Rice had in his first two years...he was on the verge of a solid class that would have added to the frosh that came in before word hit the street..guys like Josh Hart at Nova. He would have been poised in year 4 and 5 to at least get us in the NIT.

fans need HOPE...right now we have hopelessness. Watching Rice's first year you really could see what was going on and reasonable say okay we get better guys in here something will happen. Right now there is nothing that RU does well...our expectations are so low that we have no identity. We have Sanders but I feel and fear its going to be a case of him trying to do everything even next year...that Illinois game was great but was a perfect example of a player having nothing to work with A lot of those players coming back next year

 

[goru7]

This team was bad before the injuries.

You never saw the team I am talking about. No Freeman, no Doorson, no Nigel and no Laurent at this stage of his freshman year, and definitely not Corey, coming off 30 point average points. No guys that are starters now coming off the bench. I guess you saw that team for zero games. What a clever post.

 

[goru7]

tell me how promising it it is to have your best two best players undergoing MAJOR SUSPENSION..how is that for candyland.

Do you know they are not coming back? What I am hearing , they are coming back and will be eligible ! Is that fantasy land for you or factual enough for you ? If they come back, will you go root for another team or you will not forgive them for their actions? Let's hear what is best for the Rutgers University basketball team?

 

[bac2therac]

and neither have you, just saying they will be good means nothing...and just saying they will all be here means nothing

 

[goru7]

Heavy

Glad you are following along!

 

[bac2therac]

Do you know they are not coming back? What I am hearing , they are coming back and will be eligible ! Is that fantasy land for you or factual enough for you ? If they come back, will you go root for another team or you will not forgive them for their actions? Let's hear what is best for the Rutgers University basketball team?

no I don't but neither do you, and we don't know if they would transfer with a new coach either and neither do you

I do know they were suspended and they are the top two players so to me its a big red flag right there

 

[goru7]

people can give a guy 5 years when they see the energy and passion and recruiting....you know like Mike Rice had in his first two years...he was on the verge of a solid class that would have added to the frosh that came in before word hit the street..guys like Josh Hart at Nova. He would have been poised in year 4 and 5 to at least get us in the NIT.

fans need HOPE...right now we have hopelessness. Watching Rice's first year you really could see what was going on and reasonable say okay we get better guys in here something will happen. Right now there is nothing that RU does well...our expectations are so low that we have no identity. We have Sanders but I feel and fear its going to be a case of him trying to do everything even next year...that Illinois game was great but was a perfect example of a player having nothing to work with A lot of those players coming back next year

You are the person that has hopelessness !! The rest of the reasonable posters have hope and see it. I have laid out a vision of hope for you and you attempt but are never successful is taking away my hope. If we had a crap roster coming back , no one coming in, no Big 10 worthy players, then there is little hope. If Eddie gets canned , the roster goes bye bye and then you have succeeded in turning people's hope into your own depressive hopelessness that have permeated your posts.

 

[goru7]

no I don't but neither do you, and we don't know if they would transfer with a new coach either and neither do you

I do know they were suspended and they are the top two players so to me its a big red flag right there

I do know they would transfer if Eddie is gone , chalk it up!!

 

[bac2therac]

and how do you know that...you said you have no connection to Eddie lmao

 

[bac2therac]

You are the person that has hopelessness !! The rest of the reasonable posters have hope and see it. I have laid out a vision of hope for you and you attempt but are never successful is taking away my hope. If we had a crap roster coming back , no one coming in, no Big 10 worthy players, then there is little hope. If Eddie gets canned , the roster goes bye bye and then you have succeeded in turning people's hope into your own depressive hopelessness that have permeated your posts.

nice try to paint a rosy scenario for a program that will head into next season losing 41 of its last 46 games...and is bringing in a class that will be rated in the bottom 4 of the league if not last