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OFFICIAL NCAA TOURNEY DISCUSSION THREAD

Will still disagree on your Cuse statement.

They got a great matchup-----Dayton has been playing poorly for a month and they're undersized.

It had more to do with their body of work and they lost 5 of their last 6. They had an awful loss to St Johns.

What ticked me was the argument about losing the coach for 9 games.

He broke the rules-----that's why he wasn't there.
 
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Combine the arrogance of state penn, the smugness of Notre lame and the annoyance that is syracuse and you get these jackasses...suck it you castrated steers! :sunglasses:[banana]

 
Was happy that I picked VCU and Northern Iowa. Always glad when Texas loses.
 
Will still disagree on your Cuse statement.

They got a great matchup-----Dayton has been playing poorly for a month and they're undersized.

It had more to do with their body of work and they lost 5 of their last 6. They had an awful loss to St Johns.

What ticked me was the argument about losing the coach for 9 games.

He broke the rules-----that's why he wasn't there.
They had great wins...body of work...Cuse belonged
 
The link between seeding and Vegas point spreads is foolish. Two totally different things. This happens every single year. The selection committee is there to assess team resumes. Vegas is projecting who will win. Obviously there is a correlation between the two but they are never going to be exact. Wichita State had no business being better than an 11 seed. WIth their regular season performance, they are lucky to get in the tournament They had only one win against an at-large quality NCAA team. Wichita was never a 7 seed. The wins were not there.

I agree there was some mis-seeding (mainly Kentucky, Syracuse), but to say that 11 seeds can't be favored over 6 seeds is just totally not understanding what the committee is there to do and what Vegas does. Is the committee supposed to look at talented teams without great resumes, and say "well, we know you are good, we we are putting you at a 2 seed despite your 10 losses". Two years ago Tennessee as an 11 seed was a big favorite (like 5 or 6 points) over a 6 seeded Iowa. Tennessee was extremely talented but had simply did not have the resume.
Common man , Vegas knows more about these teams than any committee. Get real!! If the committee actually watched these teams , they would not have seeded SFAustin, Middle Tenn State ,Hawaii, Wichita State and Northern Iowa, where they did. If they watched these teams , there was no flukes in their wins. Why teams that are in the major conferences get 6-10 seeds over these teams are ridiculous!!! The entire Pac 12 and Big 12 were over seeded as usual . You cannot defend this committee or the previous ones, if they are using the eye test , they need new glasses !!!
 
Great quote by Coach K on what happened to Duke in the second half. "When you have three 18 year olds out there Sometimes the get lost in the amusement park" "you need to put one of those leashes on them, not dog leash, a kid leash".

I keep hearing they are young, this is an off year..25-10...i would love for RU to have an off year in that case........
 
You are kidding ?


how am I kidding. Down 17-2 to start the game...listen Middle Tennessee gave a superlative effort but Michigan State mailed it in at the beginning, not ready to play and did not respect their opponents. Part of that lies on Izzo to get the pulse of the team before the game. Also Izzo failed to push the right buttons in the 2nd half. MSU got close to even but never over the hump and I thought some of the playcalling was suspect late and then simply it became a case of a team being able to outplay another one for the last 4 minutes which they did
 
IU and Kentucky was a fun game to watch. Good outcome for the B1G.
 
They're not USC/UCLA/ASU/Oregon, but, Utah has some damn hot dance/cheer ladies!
 
Common man , Vegas knows more about these teams than any committee. Get real!! If the committee actually watched these teams , they would not have seeded SFAustin, Middle Tenn State ,Hawaii, Wichita State and Northern Iowa, where they did. If they watched these teams , there was no flukes in their wins. Why teams that are in the major conferences get 6-10 seeds over these teams are ridiculous!!! The entire Pac 12 and Big 12 were over seeded as usual . You cannot defend this committee or the previous ones, if they are using the eye test , they need new glasses !!!

So you just picked out the 5 teams that won NCAA tourney games and are now saying that they were improperly seeded? Did you say this about MTSU on Wednesday?

If committees are going to get judged based on any lower seeds winning demonstrating that they are doing a bad job, that is one position I would not want.

I think you are struggling to understand the difference between what the Committee is supposed to do and what bettors are supposed to do. One is to assess a body of previous work. The other is basically projecting the future.
 
By far Michigan State loss is the biggest surprise.The other number one seeds are in good shape moving forward.Syracuse always is a tough matchup because of the 2-3 zone and the size of their guards.While this is a off year for Duke they still have outstanding scorers .Kentucky has great athletes but are missing the consistent inside scoring from past seasons.After the quarter finals there probably won't be a clear favorite to win the championship because more upsets are likely.
 
how am I kidding. Down 17-2 to start the game...listen Middle Tennessee gave a superlative effort but Michigan State mailed it in at the beginning, not ready to play and did not respect their opponents. Part of that lies on Izzo to get the pulse of the team before the game. Also Izzo failed to push the right buttons in the 2nd half. MSU got close to even but never over the hump and I thought some of the playcalling was suspect late and then simply it became a case of a team being able to outplay another one for the last 4 minutes which they did
That Middle Tennessee team played one of the best games you will ever see played in the NCAA tournament. Their kids did not back down from big bad Michigan State and continued to play to win not lose. Forbes hit 4-5 three's to get them back in the game , Costello was great on the block. Denzel who is not a great athletic but probably the best basketball player in the country, was guarded and they kept him in front of them not allowing him to go nuts. They had good athletes, not a stiff among them and a coach that knew that and continued to play to win. I will give Izzo a pass on that game despite his blowing up my brackets!!!
 
That Middle Tennessee team played one of the best games you will ever see played in the NCAA tournament. Their kids did not back down from big bad Michigan State and continued to play to win not lose. Forbes hit 4-5 three's to get them back in the game , Costello was great on the block. Denzel who is not a great athletic but probably the best basketball player in the country, was guarded and they kept him in front of them not allowing him to go nuts. They had good athletes, not a stiff among them and a coach that knew that and continued to play to win. I will give Izzo a pass on that game despite his blowing up my brackets!!!


So can Syracuse beat them! I hate the thought if Syracuse in the sweet 16
 
So you just picked out the 5 teams that won NCAA tourney games and are now saying that they were improperly seeded? Did you say this about MTSU on Wednesday?

If committees are going to get judged based on any lower seeds winning demonstrating that they are doing a bad job, that is one position I would not want.

I think you are struggling to understand the difference between what the Committee is supposed to do and what bettors are supposed to do. One is to assess a body of previous work. The other is basically projecting the future.
Your problem is you believe the hype of the bigger conferences having the better teams without actually watching the teams. Middle Tennessee was in the top half of Conference USA and Beat Auburn and Belmont out of conference and barely lost to VCU and San Diego State , one an NCAA team , and the other should have been. UAB would have been a 12 seed before they lost in the conference tourney, so Middle should have been a 12 or maybe a shade below at 13. If you watched the team, like the committee supposedly does , they should never have seeded them 15. Does the committee not realize there are teams that have been in the Big dance for a lot of consecutive years, like Wichita , like Gonzaga, like SF Austin that have done well against the big boys. None of those teams deserved 11, 11, or 14 seeds. Why was Syracuse or Michigan seeded at 10 or 11 and not at 12 or 13?
Don't get me started with the top seeds!!! Kentucky, Indiana , Michigan State not a 1 seed , are all terribly seeded teams. Indiana, Kentucky and UNC are 3 title contenders . Did they have to all be put in the East ? No. Why did Duke get an easy road in the South ? This committee has done a terrible job seeding as have the past 4-5 committees. If they are truly watching these teams, and not just going by name recognition , then they have to do a much better job, or they should be fired.
 
So can Syracuse beat them! I hate the thought if Syracuse in the sweet 16
Michigan State played entirely man to man their signature defense, but they could not handle anyone of Middle's players who attacked off the dribble . Syracuse plays that signature zone so a different beast. Having said that I understand that guard Potts hits 50 % from 3, and the wings looked they could shoot well from 3 as well so that bodes well . I also think they can stay with Syracuse on the boards and looked super athletic especially that Upshaw kid. I think they have a good chance to win , and believe that game can go to the wire if they cannot shoot well against that zone. If they shoot well , Middle wins comfortably. This isn't. Your Momma's Syracuse , which I hate all the time more than any other team in the country.
 
Your problem is you believe the hype of the bigger conferences having the better teams without actually watching the teams. Middle Tennessee was in the top half of Conference USA and Beat Auburn and Belmont out of conference and barely lost to VCU and San Diego State , one an NCAA team , and the other should have been. UAB would have been a 12 seed before they lost in the conference tourney, so Middle should have been a 12 or maybe a shade below at 13. If you watched the team, like the committee supposedly does , they should never have seeded them 15. Does the committee not realize there are teams that have been in the Big dance for a lot of consecutive years, like Wichita , like Gonzaga, like SF Austin that have done well against the big boys. None of those teams deserved 11, 11, or 14 seeds. Why was Syracuse or Michigan seeded at 10 or 11 and not at 12 or 13?
Don't get me started with the top seeds!!! Kentucky, Indiana , Michigan State not a 1 seed , are all terribly seeded teams. Indiana, Kentucky and UNC are 3 title contenders . Did they have to all be put in the East ? No. Why did Duke get an easy road in the South ? This committee has done a terrible job seeding as have the past 4-5 committees. If they are truly watching these teams, and not just going by name recognition , then they have to do a much better job, or they should be fired.

It amazes me how the West region is seemingly a pile of slop every single year. The only thing that could've made it worse would've been putting Utah as a 3 out there like they were in the Midwest. At least TAMU has a pulse as a 3. Oklahoma is fine as a 2 also. But Oregon is in no way a 1 seed and the 4s on down are not good basketball teams. For example Duke can't hold the jock of 4-5 seeds like Kentucky, Indiana and some others. They're exceptionally flawed. No bench. No size. Not physical. But that's doesn't matter when you play Yale and UNCW. The South is ridiculously loaded. Kansas, Nova, Miami, Maryland. Kansas is the best 1, Nova probably the 2nd best 2, Miami pretty clearly the best 3, and Maryland has as much talent as anyone.

Kansas and UNC seem to be on a championship collision course, tho. Clearly the 2 most balanced teams. Perhaps UVA can take out UNC in the final four. I don't see anyone beating Kansas, including Nova.
 
Pretty clear now ACC best college basketball conference in the country.
 
Pretty clear now ACC best college basketball conference in the country.
There is no doubt. Do not believe the Pac12 or Big 12 or Big 10 hype. Each conference had 7 bids and the ACC has 6 of them still playing with a record 5 in the Sweet Sixteen .
 
Are my eyes OK. I turned on Texas A M -UNI and Tex am starting point guard is Anthony Collins? How is that possible?

If I flip on some random NIT game and see Scottie Reynolds I am going to get worried.
 
this is probably one of the best tourneys ever in terms of end games and drama. How anyone can say the bowl season even approaches what these two weeks bring to the table is beyond me
 
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