Like it matters. The roster is defective, an incompetent frat boy runs the front office, and ownership hasn't been able to pick a decent GM or coach in a decade. Even if the Giants tank, what basis is there to believe that this front office can make the right selection with a top pick. It's bleak.
OT: 2024 NY Giants Season Thread
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Away so didn't see the game.
Is this the play?
Saw this screenshot on reddit and it sure fits what you describe. Both receivers wide open.
With bye week looming, now’s the perfect time for Giants to make massive change — at QB or head coach
With bye week looming, now’s the perfect time for Giants to make massive change — at QB or head coach
The Giants are 2-8.
No sense in continuing to run Jones out there. He was terrible yesterday and bad overall this season.
I have little interest in watching Lock. Especially given how bad he looked vs Philly.
But id like to see Devito. See if he can build on his play from last year.
Lock and Devito both suck too, but the risk of playing Jones and triggering that injury guarantee is too high. So with that said, I'd probably play Devito. You'll accomplish the goals of throwing the fans a bone and finishing no more than 4-13 to preserve draft status.
The Giants and Daniel Jones both need a clean break from this era. Neither has been done right in these 6 years.
The Giants and Daniel Jones both need a clean break from this era. Neither has been done right in these 6 years.
Hopefully the next Giants quarterback won't have to take the field with such an embarrassingly awful offensive line.
As RUfromNJ puts it, the only reason to sit Jones in favor of someone else is avoiding the injury guarantee. I'm not interested in Lock, and Devito isn't the answer. And if we played one of them, and that player provided a mini-bump in performance, that would be worse. Like last year. The Giants had a pointless 3-3 year-end that moved them out of position to draft a QB and left us stranded right where we are now. What a disaster this franchise is right now.
State of NY Giants: Truth and consequences of job security for Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll
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Giants are 2-8 at the bye week. Team brass is being questioned. But cleaning house yet again would be shortsighted and an emotional overreaction.
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Gettles wanted Justin Herbert but Herbert decided to stay in college.
Some said it was to avoid NYGs (he's left coast guy)
It was Pat Shurmur who pushed for Jones.
Jones isn't a bad guy but Duke left a bad taste after Dave Brown.
I think of Brown every game I see Jones play
Yes it's actually the opposite. Gett was in full bloom love with Jones after the senior bowl and shurmur apparently wanted nothing to do with him.
I heard Gettle on the FAN say that it was Shurmur who wanted Jones first/most.
That has also been written-up in many places
Pat Shurmur discovered Daniel Jones.
"It was Shurmur who initially called Gettleman’s attention to Jones, which makes it all the more surprising that the quarterback-minded coach was fired and Gettleman was retained partially on the basis of making the gutsy call to draft Jones earlier than projected. Gettleman fell for Jones at the 2019 Senior Bowl.
“We looked at all the quarterbacks and right up front Pat was most enamored with Daniel,” Gettleman said on WFAN. “We just kept investigating. You look at Pat’s history with quarterbacks … the young guys and what he’s gotten out of them. For him to be that enamored with him, it certainly made me do my homework.”
Dave Gettleman: My Giants logic was all wrong, Pat Shurmur discovered Daniel Jones
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And that’s your support for Gettleman not making the decision and not saying that he fell in love with him and then selected him?I heard Gettle on the FAN say that it was Shurmur who wanted Jones first/most.
That has also been written-up in many places
Pat Shurmur discovered Daniel Jones.
"It was Shurmur who initially called Gettleman’s attention to Jones, which makes it all the more surprising that the quarterback-minded coach was fired and Gettleman was retained partially on the basis of making the gutsy call to draft Jones earlier than projected. Gettleman fell for Jones at the 2019 Senior Bowl.
“We looked at all the quarterbacks and right up front Pat was most enamored with Daniel,” Gettleman said on WFAN. “We just kept investigating. You look at Pat’s history with quarterbacks … the young guys and what he’s gotten out of them. For him to be that enamored with him, it certainly made me do my homework.”
Dave Gettleman: My Giants logic was all wrong, Pat Shurmur discovered Daniel Jones
It took winning only nine games in two seasons and nearly getting fired, but a humbled Dave Gettleman finally admitted his flawed approach to running the Giants. No longer stubbornly digging his he…
I 'm not supporting or forgoing supporting Gettleman.
Facts were that he really like Herbert - obviously better than Jones both now and then.
A factor in Gettles drafting Jones was that Shurmur really liked Jones, and he had a reputation for QB development that swayed Gettles.
Jones can show great skills on any given day but he's prone to flub plays and to get injured.
Not many on the Giants were really in love with Jones - he was just the guy who was left.
At most Jones was a 2nd rounder but NY media and fans were QB frantic.
"Jones had a promising rookie year but has been mediocre and injury-plagued since. The QB Gettleman liked the most, by the way, was Justin Herbert – but he decided to return to Oregon and wasn’t drafted until the next year."
10 most controversial Dave Gettleman moves during tenure as Giants GM
Here’s a look at 10 of the biggest, most controversial moves during Dave Gettleman's tenure as Giants general manager.
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I had no problem with Giants taking Saquon with #2 pick because he was a good player and citizen. If the Giants didn't take him they would have taken Darnold @#2.
Saquon is currently #2 in NFL for rushing
This is becoming the most paragraphs used to not make a point that I’ve seen in a while. It was Shurmur, but then you quote something that doesn’t say that or refute that Gentleman said that he fell in love with Jones and picked him. He preferred Herbert, but that’s irrelevant too because Herbert wasn’t even in the draft and Gettleman still said he fell in love with Jones and picked him. What’s next? He thought Bart Starr was better?I 'm not supporting or forgoing supporting Gettleman.
Facts were that he really like Herbert - obviously better than Jones both now and then.
A factor in Gettles drafting Jones was that Shurmur really liked Jones, and he had a reputation for QB development that swayed Gettles.
Jones can show great skills on any given day but he's prone to flub plays and to get injured.
Not many on the Giants were really in love with Jones - he was just the guy who was left.
At most Jones was a 2nd rounder but NY media and fans were QB frantic.
"Jones had a promising rookie year but has been mediocre and injury-plagued since. The QB Gettleman liked the most, by the way, was Justin Herbert – but he decided to return to Oregon and wasn’t drafted until the next year."
10 most controversial Dave Gettleman moves during tenure as Giants GM
Here’s a look at 10 of the biggest, most controversial moves during Dave Gettleman's tenure as Giants general manager.
I had no problem with Giants taking Saquon with #2 pick because he was a good player and citizen. If the Giants didn't take him they would have taken Darnold @#2.
Saquon is currently #2 in NFL for rushing
Jones didn't have the luxury that Starr had of a superior offensive line. Most of them are in the hall-of-fame.
Heard something today on some fantasy football blog.. that Giants gonna go with Drew Locke the rest of teh way because Jones has some injury clause that, if he were to get injured, the Giants would be on the hook for his full contract. Makes sense.. but Locke hasn't shown much.. maybe that helps them tank the rest of the way... but the Giants.. and the Jets.. both seem to avoid tanking seasons only when it would give them an advantage.
As for draft strategy.. it takes many seasons... you go get OL first.. if you are going the offensive route.
As for draft strategy.. it takes many seasons... you go get OL first.. if you are going the offensive route.
Problem is most scouts don’t think there are any franchise QB’s in this years draft. Dane Brugler from The Athletic just did his mid season top 50. Not one QB was in the top 10. That’s were the Giants will be picking. I’d hate for them to force a pick like they did with Jones. My fear now is them picking Sanders. Can’t stand his attitude or sense of entitlement
I 'm not supporting or forgoing supporting Gettleman.
Facts were that he really like Herbert - obviously better than Jones both now and then.
A factor in Gettles drafting Jones was that Shurmur really liked Jones, and he had a reputation for QB development that swayed Gettles.
Jones can show great skills on any given day but he's prone to flub plays and to get injured.
Not many on the Giants were really in love with Jones - he was just the guy who was left.
At most Jones was a 2nd rounder but NY media and fans were QB frantic.
"Jones had a promising rookie year but has been mediocre and injury-plagued since. The QB Gettleman liked the most, by the way, was Justin Herbert – but he decided to return to Oregon and wasn’t drafted until the next year."
10 most controversial Dave Gettleman moves during tenure as Giants GM
Here’s a look at 10 of the biggest, most controversial moves during Dave Gettleman's tenure as Giants general manager.
I had no problem with Giants taking Saquon with #2 pick because he was a good player and citizen. If the Giants didn't take him they would have taken Darnold @#2.
Saquon is currently #2 in NFL for rushing
How much of the "injury prone" can be ascribed to the OL in front of him?
Not much I don't think. Knee injury last year was non contact. I think the neck injury was a bootleg. If i remember right his first injury as a rookie was on a short yardage QB sneak.
I think the poor OL may have broken him mentally, but his injuries have not been related to poor OL.
Giants were wrong on Jones, but before that was Eli.
Obviously Schoen was in on neither. Was assistant GM when Buff drafted Allen.
Several times? It's been 1.
Who cannot protect him?
Would it be 7th overall pick Evan Neal?
We've missed on a OT more recently than a QB with a top draft pick.
Well.. there isn't a sure thing QB this time.. is there? Sanders? Ward? Wouldn't the Boise State RB Jeanty be just as good.. or is that a repeat of Barkley? I still say build up the OL.. then you have a couple years to get skill players.. yes.. QB first.. they last longer.. then the short-careers skill guys. maybe you get lucky on a later-round QB in the mean time.
This would be a total rebuild, so you'd have to trade off Nabers because his career won't last that long and his value is very high now.
I do think the Giants need a total rebuild at this point.
No chance we take an RB with the first pick. The optics after drafting Saquan being reason one. Tyrone Tracy being reason 2.
Could I see another OL? I guess. But another "no chance" scenario is Jones being back next year, so who would be the QB if we don't draft one? Do we go get Cousins? Darnold? I dunno, maybe.
The late, great George Young said that.
By the way, EVERY team and EVERY GM has bad draft choices.
If everything you have done recently is not working, time to try the opposite.
