OT: 2024 NY Mets Season Thread
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This Afternoon
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Tonight
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Thursday
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Thursday Night
Tropical storm conditions possible. Showers and possibly a thunderstorm. Low around 66. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Evan Roberts has been going over most of the possibilities,the wildest one being this one:Even if the Mets have clinched the 2nd wild card,they still can be forced to go back to Atlanta to play a Monday doubleheader if it matters vis-a vis with the Braves and the Diamondbacks.
There are obviously a shit-ton of possible scenarios here. I suggest we focus on one:
Mets take two of three from Brewers.
D-Backs finish 2-2 (1 vs. Giants, 3 @ Dodgers).
Mets clinch playoff spot at D-Backs expense.
If Giants complete the sweep of the D-Backs tonight, then Mets control their destiny this weekend. All they would have to do is match whatever the D-Backs do.
Monday Doubleheader with Braves
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Mets-Braves series PPD to Monday doubleheader
The last two games of the pivotal series between the Mets and Braves have been postponed due to the forecast for inclement weather.
Both games rescheduled. Might help the Mets? Hard to sweep a doubleheader. At least statistically it is
The rainout tonight helps the Mets, because if there were a game tonight, the Braves could pitch Sale as planned, and then come back with him on Monday.
The doubleheader Monday hurts their chances for success in the wild card series.
It is unclear to me whether either or both of the Monday games will definitely be played, or only if necessary.
Another factor to consider is that the Braves may be facing a Friday rainout too. They could be looking at five games in three days.
Dbacks finish hosting the Padres over the weekend. Will SD care more about winning or setting up their pitching? If they lose the next 2 in LA the Dodgers clinch. But I suppose SD could still then be concerned with getting the top wild card and home field.
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Happy with the rain at least right now. Gave us very little chance to beat Sale tonight, and then Fried tomorrow with a ‘22 repeat on the table.
Like heading to MIL up on both ARI (thanks to tiebreaker in hand) and ATL.
Like heading to MIL up on both ARI (thanks to tiebreaker in hand) and ATL.
I think he is right. I think they only play the games to determine who's in and who's out, not to determine seeding.
Agree with you. The big game to get was yesterday and they laid an egg. Sale and Fried on regular rest back to back had sweep written all over it. Now it’s possible to clinch over the weekend and, if not. I believe an Atlanta sweep on Monday is less likely than tonight and tomorrow would have been.
Monday is going to be torture or exhilaration!
Greatly Hoping DBacks get eliminated by end of weekend ! Of course this means Padres are playing meaningful games over the weekend vs Dbacks and Mets win 2 or 3 games vs Brewers
Can’t take another disaster in Atlanta!
I, for one, am happy that next 2 games vs Braves were rained out. Had a very bad feeling for duration of series especially after the sleepwalk last night.
Grateful to see Lindor back!
Greatly Hoping DBacks get eliminated by end of weekend ! Of course this means Padres are playing meaningful games over the weekend vs Dbacks and Mets win 2 or 3 games vs Brewers
Can’t take another disaster in Atlanta!
I, for one, am happy that next 2 games vs Braves were rained out. Had a very bad feeling for duration of series especially after the sleepwalk last night.
Grateful to see Lindor back!
Dbacks win, now 88-71 with 3 games against Padres.
Mets are 87-70. Braves are 86-71
To possibly avoid the Braves series? Mets and Braves both own tiebreakers against the Dbacks:
-Mets and Braves have at least the same number of wins on Sunday as the Dbacks, and the Dbacks are eliminated
-With 3 games left, if Dbacks lose all 3 to Padres, and Mets win 1 game against Brewers, they are in.
-If Dbacks win one game against Padres, , and Mets win 2 games against Brewers, they are in.
-If Dbacks win two games against Padres, and Mets will all 3 games against Brewers, they are in
-If Dbacks sweep Padres, Mets and Braves need to play.
Braves have to win one more game than the Dbacks to be in.
Does that sound right?
Then what would be the next tie breaker? Record in division? They currently sit tied against each other correct? A friggin flip of a coin after 162 games? The right thing would be for MLB and the TV networks to rework their forking schedule if the "integrity" of the game was really the most important and not the money.
Braves currently hold the tiebreaker 6-5. You are correct that intra-divisional record is the next tiebreaker.
Good analysis. I would add that as long as the D-Backs are still mathematically alive Monday (i.e.. the Mets and Braves have not BOTH clinched) then at least one game must be played Monday, if not both. The Mets (or for that matter the Braves) could be in a position of having to play a meaningless doubleheader, and use up their pitching staff in the process.
Whom to root for today:
Brewers vs. Pirates 12:35. Go BUCS! A Brewer loss locks them into the 3 seed and a wild card matchup. This leaves them disinterested in the upcoming Mets series. More importantly, it incents them to save their pitchers and rest players for the wild card. (TBH, the Brewers may already be locked into the 3 seed, as I don't know all the tiebreakers.)
Royals vs. Nationals 1:05. Go NATS! Royals currently lead Twins by 2 games for the AL wild card. We don't want them clinching too early and losing motivation for the Braves series.
Twins vs. Marlins 7:40. Go TWINS! Same rationale as above.
Padres vs. Dodgers 9:40. Go PADS! A Padre win keeps them alive in their divisional race. We want them fully motivated when they play the D-Backs.
Other games of interest:
Angels vs. White Sox 2:10. White Sox have been gallantly staving off loss #121, to break the record of the '62 Mets. Can they do so again?
Rangers vs. Athletics 3:35. Final home game in Oakland.
Brewers vs. Pirates 12:35. Go BUCS! A Brewer loss locks them into the 3 seed and a wild card matchup. This leaves them disinterested in the upcoming Mets series. More importantly, it incents them to save their pitchers and rest players for the wild card. (TBH, the Brewers may already be locked into the 3 seed, as I don't know all the tiebreakers.)
Royals vs. Nationals 1:05. Go NATS! Royals currently lead Twins by 2 games for the AL wild card. We don't want them clinching too early and losing motivation for the Braves series.
Twins vs. Marlins 7:40. Go TWINS! Same rationale as above.
Padres vs. Dodgers 9:40. Go PADS! A Padre win keeps them alive in their divisional race. We want them fully motivated when they play the D-Backs.
Other games of interest:
Angels vs. White Sox 2:10. White Sox have been gallantly staving off loss #121, to break the record of the '62 Mets. Can they do so again?
Rangers vs. Athletics 3:35. Final home game in Oakland.
KC is currently in the 2nd WC spot with Detroit at 3rd with the same record. Even if they both lock in the their spots before this weekend wouldn't they still have incentive to hold onto that 2nd spot over the 3rd? He'll if the Yankees hadn't lost 2 straight games to the Orioles the Royals would still be in play for the top wild card spot. Don't know if they're eliminated from that even with Baltimore being 4 games ahead in the loss column.
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On the NL side, I'd probably prefer playing the Brewers over the Pods if we get in.
Good article in The Athletic (paywall) about the Mets pitching dilemma this weekend. In short, because of the doubleheader, they might not have an available starter for the first WC game, if they make it.
The only announcement Mendoza has made is that Manaea will start tomorrow, putting him in line to start WC2. That leaves potentially four remaining regular season games in three days, with four starters. Which leaves you without a starter for WC1. Which raises some questions:
* Do you use your WC starters on short rest? The article stated that this is very unlikely.
* Do you make WC1 a bullpen game?
* Do you hold out a starter for WC1, and go with a bullpen game against either the Brewers or Braves?
A complicating factor is roster size. Currently the Mets have a 28 man roster, meaning a 14 man pitching staff and a 9 man bullpen. For the doubleheader Monday, they can add a player who will no doubt be a pitcher. Then for the WC playoff, they will need to get down to a 26 man roster.
In anticipation of the Monday DH, and/or an injury to a pitcher this week, the Mets have instructed three of their Syracuse pitchers to "stay ready". They are Shintaro Fujinami, Matt Gage, and Max Kranick. One will be brought up on Monday. None have pitched for the Mets this year. We have the potential for an unlikely hero!
The only announcement Mendoza has made is that Manaea will start tomorrow, putting him in line to start WC2. That leaves potentially four remaining regular season games in three days, with four starters. Which leaves you without a starter for WC1. Which raises some questions:
* Do you use your WC starters on short rest? The article stated that this is very unlikely.
* Do you make WC1 a bullpen game?
* Do you hold out a starter for WC1, and go with a bullpen game against either the Brewers or Braves?
A complicating factor is roster size. Currently the Mets have a 28 man roster, meaning a 14 man pitching staff and a 9 man bullpen. For the doubleheader Monday, they can add a player who will no doubt be a pitcher. Then for the WC playoff, they will need to get down to a 26 man roster.
In anticipation of the Monday DH, and/or an injury to a pitcher this week, the Mets have instructed three of their Syracuse pitchers to "stay ready". They are Shintaro Fujinami, Matt Gage, and Max Kranick. One will be brought up on Monday. None have pitched for the Mets this year. We have the potential for an unlikely hero!
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Let us raise a glass to the Chicago White Sox. They are fighting the good fight to avoid loss #121, and get the '62 Mets out of the record book. Today's hero was former Met Chris Flexen, who pitched 6.1 scoreless innings to win his first game in 23 starts.
White Sox record now stands at 39-120. The '62 Mets finished at 40-120, with one tie and one rainout.
Fun fact about that tie. It came late in the year in Houston, and the Mets had a plane to catch. The teams agreed that no inning would start after 7:00. When 7:00 rolled around, the game was still going and the score was tied, so that was that.
MLB airline travel was obviously different then.
White Sox record now stands at 39-120. The '62 Mets finished at 40-120, with one tie and one rainout.
Fun fact about that tie. It came late in the year in Houston, and the Mets had a plane to catch. The teams agreed that no inning would start after 7:00. When 7:00 rolled around, the game was still going and the score was tied, so that was that.
MLB airline travel was obviously different then.
Given the circumstances, is there any way that MLB will provide an exemption and commence the playoff game for the Mets - should they get in - on Wednesday in lieu of Tuesday.
I know the answer given the tv contract and MLBs greediness but I would hope that Manfred - due to his negligence - will not permit the Mets to be at a competitive disadvantage once the playoffs start.
I know the answer given the tv contract and MLBs greediness but I would hope that Manfred - due to his negligence - will not permit the Mets to be at a competitive disadvantage once the playoffs start.
No way the Mets' WC opponent (let's say the Brewers) would take that lying down. That means a Wednesday - Friday series instead of Tuesday - Thursday. Which means no off day prior to the start of the NLDS. Which puts the Brewers, assuming they win the WC, at a competitive disadvantage.
Not to mention that the Brewers have sold tickets for Tuesday - Thursday.
To avoid situations like this in the future MLB should truly consider maybe ending the season on a Saturday ( instead of Sunday) or preferably allowing an extra day between the end of regular season on Sunday and start of playoffs - which should be Wed.
Owners and MLB Commissioner need to always think outside of the box but tv greed etc is too much for these vultures to withstand .
Plus I think the players would appreciate the extra day off b
What you are saying makes too much sense. Manfred and MLB will never do it.
Can you say, money money money to get whomever they want and a one stop destination for entertainment. I guess a long weekend here in Queens might look more attractive than one in the Bronx for tourist wanting to visit the city and take in a ball game.😎
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