OT: 2024 NY Mets Season Thread

[RU-05]

They were mostly productive bad stretches. He was resting! 🤣

Touche, but just to be clear, the bad stretch I'm excluding was 7 years ago.

The last 2 years prior to this he has played about 110 games total between the majors and minors. Though he did have some sort of shoulder injury in 2022. Looks like he hurt it in a brawl.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Look at Omar Narvaez as per why you don't look at a guys career numbers and say, this guy is good. Career .251 BA. .708 OPS. You have to be more selective then that. He was having a very nice career, but since his solid 2021 season he has been abysmal. Batting .206ish with a .590ish OPS over the last 2+ seasons.

Don't blame the Mets for hoping to find a reclamation project after one bad season, but the last couple seasons are now strongly suggesting he is done.

So you want to ignore most of Torrens’s career now? Maybe you should just use his 16 ABs with the Mets.

 

[RU-05]

So you want to ignore most of Torrens’s career now? Maybe you should just use his 16 ABs with the Mets.

When did I do this?

But since 2019. Minimum 500 AB's. Amongst 74 catchers who qualify, Torrens .694 OPS is good for 29th amongst catchers. His .242 BA is 30th.

 

[Ronnie_B]

Lindor's power is very impressive.

 

[Zak57]

June 12 Mets Farm Report (Top 30 Prospects per MLB Pipeline)

AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)

1. Jett Williams SS/CF (AA Binghamton) - Injured
2. Drew Gilbert OF (AAA Syracuse) - Injured
3. Christian Scott RHP (AAA Syracuse) - 3.2 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K, 1 HR, 2.91
4. Ryan Clifford OF/1B (AA Binghamton) - 1/2, 2B(6), R, RBI, BB, K, .184/.805
5. Luisangel Acuna SS/2B (AAA Syracuse) - 2/4, R, .248/.648
6. Ronny Mauricio 2B/SS/OF (NY Mets) - Injured; Out for Season
7. Colin Houck SS (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
8. Marco Vargas INF (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured
9. Kevin Parada C (AA Binghamton) - Injured
10. Blade Tidwell RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
11. Mike Vasil RHP (AAA Syracuse) - 3.2 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 0 HR, 7.08, L(2-4)
12. Jeremy Rodriguez SS (Rookie FCL Mets) - PPD
13. Brandon Sproat RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
14. Dominic Hamel RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
15. Jacob Reimer 3B/1B (High A Brooklyn) - Injured
16. Alex Ramirez OF (AA Binghamton) - 1/5, .229/.628
17. Yovanny Rodriguez C (DSL Mets Orange) - 1/3, 3B(1), RBI, BB, K, .118/.568
18. Tyler Stuart RHP (AA Binghamton) - 2.0 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 2 K, 0 HR, 5.02, L(1-5)
19. Nolan McLean RHP/DH (AA Binghamton) - 0/4, 3 K, .170/.541
20. Jonah Tong RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
21. Ronald Hernandez C/1B (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
22. Jesus Baez SS/2B (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
23. Calvin Ziegler RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured; TJS Out for Season
24. Wilfredo Lara OF/3B (High A Brooklyn) - 0/3, 3 K, .231/.662
25. Boston Baro SS/3B (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
26. Nick Morabito OF (High A Brooklyn) - 0/4, K, .298/.780
27. Raimon Gomez RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured
28. Joander Suarez RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
29. Saul Garcia RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
30. Rhylan Thomas OF (AAA Syracuse) - 0/4, 2 K, .212/.526

Honorable Mention

• Douglas Orellana (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
• Kade Morris RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
• Christopher Suero C/IF/OF (High A Brooklyn) - 1/3, BB, SB(5), .259/.820
• Jeffry Rosa OF (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Jack Wenninger RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Willy Fanas OF (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• A.J. Ewing 2B/CF (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Jake Zitella 1B (Rookie FCL Mets) - PPD
• Branny De Oleo SS (Rookie FCL Mets) - PPD
• Simon Juan OF (Rookie FCL Mets) - PPD
• Daiverson Gutierrez C (DSL Mets Blue) - Off

 

[MadRU]

Diaz reinstated, Young designated

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Diaz reinstated, Young designated

Watching some of the game last night Cohen was sure it would be Nunez to go.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Keep talking about Nimmo in the 2 hole !!!🤣🤣🤣🤣


🤣

 

[MadRU]

Baty starting at second base in AAA

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[nutfromSEC117]

JD ! 💣💣💣💣💣

 

[Doctor Worm]

Hard to believe that was JD's first walk off HR in his career.

 

[RuBird]

Big win considering we had 3 hits on the night. Seve continues to impress.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Keep talking about Nimmo in the 2 hole !!!🤣🤣🤣🤣


🤣

Maybe he should bat 10th.

 

[MadRU]

 

[Zak57]

June 13 Mets Farm Report (Top 30 Prospects per MLB Pipeline)

AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)

1. Jett Williams SS/CF (AA Binghamton) - Injured
2. Drew Gilbert OF (AAA Syracuse) - Injured
3. Christian Scott RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
4. Ryan Clifford OF/1B (AA Binghamton) - 0/3, BB, 2 K, .177/.783
5. Luisangel Acuna SS/2B (AAA Syracuse) - 4/5, 2B(9), 2 R, 4 RBI, BB, .259/.672
6. Ronny Mauricio 2B/SS/OF (NY Mets) - Injured; Out for Season
7. Colin Houck SS (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
8. Marco Vargas INF (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured
9. Kevin Parada C (AA Binghamton) - Injured
10. Blade Tidwell RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
11. Mike Vasil RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
12. Jeremy Rodriguez SS (Rookie FCL Mets) - 1/3, K, .311/.819
13. Brandon Sproat RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
14. Dominic Hamel RHP (AAA Syracuse) - 6.0 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 0 HR, 6.79, W(2-3)
15. Jacob Reimer 3B/1B (High A Brooklyn) - Injured
16. Alex Ramirez OF (AA Binghamton) - 1/4, 2B(12), 2 R, BB, K, .229/.634
17. Yovanny Rodriguez C (DSL Mets Orange) - 0/3, .100/.496
18. Tyler Stuart RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
19. Nolan McLean RHP/DH (AA Binghamton) - 0/4, 3 K, .157/.501
20. Jonah Tong RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
21. Ronald Hernandez C/1B (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
22. Jesus Baez SS/2B (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
23. Calvin Ziegler RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured; TJS Out for Season
24. Wilfredo Lara OF/3B (High A Brooklyn) - 0/4, 2 K, .226/.647
25. Boston Baro SS/3B (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
26. Nick Morabito OF (High A Brooklyn) - 2/3, R, 2 BB, 3 SB(19), .308/.802
27. Raimon Gomez RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured
28. Joander Suarez RHP (AA Binghamton) - 4.0 IP, 6 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 2 HR, 4.76, L(3-4)
29. Saul Garcia RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
30. Rhylan Thomas OF (AAA Syracuse) - 1/1, R, .224/.547

Honorable Mention

• Douglas Orellana (High A Brooklyn) - Injured
• Kade Morris RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
• Christopher Suero C/IF/OF (High A Brooklyn) - 0/4, R, BB, K, .247/.791
• Jeffry Rosa OF (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Jack Wenninger RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Willy Fanas OF (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• A.J. Ewing 2B/CF (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Jake Zitella 1B (Rookie FCL Mets) - 0/2, K, .301/.796
• Branny De Oleo SS (Rookie FCL Mets) - 0/2, K, .182/.481
• Simon Juan OF (Rookie FCL Mets) - 0/2, K, .264/.799
• Daiverson Gutierrez C (DSL Mets Blue) - 1/2, 2B(3), R, RBI, BB, .250/.844

 

[willisneverrana43]

June 13 Mets Farm Report (Top 30 Prospects per MLB Pipeline)

AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)

1. Jett Williams SS/CF (AA Binghamton) - Injured
2. Drew Gilbert OF (AAA Syracuse) - Injured
3. Christian Scott RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
4. Ryan Clifford OF/1B (AA Binghamton) - 0/3, BB, 2 K, .177/.783
5. Luisangel Acuna SS/2B (AAA Syracuse) - 4/5, 2B(9), 2 R, 4 RBI, BB, .259/.672
6. Ronny Mauricio 2B/SS/OF (NY Mets) - Injured; Out for Season
7. Colin Houck SS (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
8. Marco Vargas INF (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured
9. Kevin Parada C (AA Binghamton) - Injured
10. Blade Tidwell RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
11. Mike Vasil RHP (AAA Syracuse) - DNP
12. Jeremy Rodriguez SS (Rookie FCL Mets) - 1/3, K, .311/.819
13. Brandon Sproat RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
14. Dominic Hamel RHP (AAA Syracuse) - 6.0 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 4 K, 0 HR, 6.79, W(2-3)
15. Jacob Reimer 3B/1B (High A Brooklyn) - Injured
16. Alex Ramirez OF (AA Binghamton) - 1/4, 2B(12), 2 R, BB, K, .229/.634
17. Yovanny Rodriguez C (DSL Mets Orange) - 0/3, .100/.496
18. Tyler Stuart RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP
19. Nolan McLean RHP/DH (AA Binghamton) - 0/4, 3 K, .157/.501
20. Jonah Tong RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
21. Ronald Hernandez C/1B (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
22. Jesus Baez SS/2B (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
23. Calvin Ziegler RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured; TJS Out for Season
24. Wilfredo Lara OF/3B (High A Brooklyn) - 0/4, 2 K, .226/.647
25. Boston Baro SS/3B (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
26. Nick Morabito OF (High A Brooklyn) - 2/3, R, 2 BB, 3 SB(19), .308/.802
27. Raimon Gomez RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured
28. Joander Suarez RHP (AA Binghamton) - 4.0 IP, 6 H, 6 R, 6 ER, 2 BB, 2 K, 2 HR, 4.76, L(3-4)
29. Saul Garcia RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
30. Rhylan Thomas OF (AAA Syracuse) - 1/1, R, .224/.547

Honorable Mention

• Douglas Orellana (High A Brooklyn) - Injured
• Kade Morris RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP
• Christopher Suero C/IF/OF (High A Brooklyn) - 0/4, R, BB, K, .247/.791
• Jeffry Rosa OF (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Jack Wenninger RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Willy Fanas OF (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• A.J. Ewing 2B/CF (Low A St. Lucie) - PPD
• Jake Zitella 1B (Rookie FCL Mets) - 0/2, K, .301/.796
• Branny De Oleo SS (Rookie FCL Mets) - 0/2, K, .182/.481
• Simon Juan OF (Rookie FCL Mets) - 0/2, K, .264/.799
• Daiverson Gutierrez C (DSL Mets Blue) - 1/2, 2B(3), R, RBI, BB, .250/.844

You have my endorsement to just toss Ramirez from this list and scoot Morabito upward a good bit.

 

[Zak57]

You have my endorsement to just toss Ramirez from this list and scoot Morabito upward a good bit.

Ramirez going to get DFA'd at the end of the season at this rate. Don't forget we had to add him to the 40 man this off-season.

 

[Zak57]

Blue Jays DFA Vogelbach. He was even worse with them than us somehow. Meanwhile Colin Holderman has been a stud so far this year.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

 

[BigEastPhil]

Good to see Diaz look Diaz ish.

Not vintage Diaz but hopefully getting there….

 

[willisneverrana43]

Ramirez going to get DFA'd at the end of the season at this rate. Don't forget we had to add him to the 40 man this off-season.

Yeah, that didn’t say much for the system.

 

[Zak57]

Sproat 3.2 IP last night. 1 ER 2 H 1 BB 8 K. They're limiting innings so he only went 70 pitches.

Clifford a walk off HR for Bing. Also added a 2B and 2 walks. 13 XBH in 26 games.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Why the silence on the thread today ?

Great win today and another series win albeit I’m greedy and want a sweep!

Kudos to JD!

Such a professional hitter !

 

[Zak57]

Keep the mo going! Creeping back to .500. team has some gas still.

Clifford another HR tonight.

 

[RuBird]

Keep the mo going! Creeping back to .500. team has some gas still.

Clifford another HR tonight.

Trades last year starting to look better as the year moves on.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Did it get him above the Mendoza line?

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Why the silence on the thread today ?

Great win today and another series win albeit I’m greedy and want a sweep!

Kudos to JD!

Such a professional hitter !

At some point someone else is gonna have to give him a hand. 3 games in a row where he basically carried the offense by himself.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Did it get him above the Mendoza line?

Using the far more relevant metric of OPS, Clifford's .935 > Mendoza's .507, so I would say yes.

Clifford's AA numbers are cray-cray. 18 hits, 15 of which are for extra bases. A 20% walk rate. That is how a .212 BA becomes a .935 OPS.

 

[willisneverrana43]

I think the point is not to cherry pick stats. Then you get a full picture, not only the good stuff. For instance, you might want to mention his strikeouts.

 

[BigEastPhil]

At some point someone else is gonna have to give him a hand. 3 games in a row where he basically carried the offense by himself.

Correct.

The current formula is non sustainable.

Others in the lineup need to get hot as well starting with Alonso / Nimmo and Alvarez etc.

 

[Zak57]

I think the point is not to cherry pick stats. Then you get a full picture, not only the good stuff. For instance, you might want to mention his strikeouts.

154 wRC+. Takes into account all offense. Impressive even with the low BA currently. .212 avg with a .239 BABIP so avg should still come up.

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Possibly the Mets dodged another bullet? https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...hinobu-yamamoto-exits-start-triceps-tightness

 

[Doctor Worm]

On the topic of injuries to other guys, Verlander was scratched from his start yesterday due to next stiffness. For the sake the the Mets' 2025 finances, hopefully he'll miss a few more.

 

[RU-05]

I think the point is not to cherry pick stats. Then you get a full picture, not only the good stuff. For instance, you might want to mention his strikeouts.

OPS does take multiple stats into account, but in this case, because of the walks and extra base hits, it hides the low BA. Was kind of thinking about this in regards to the Stanley Cup finals, and how Bobrovsky's save % is skewed by one game. Averages can obscure the details.

But yeah strikeouts are not in there and should be mentioned. A guy with his numbers almost surely has a high strikeout rate.

 

[Doctor Worm]

I think the point is not to cherry pick stats. Then you get a full picture, not only the good stuff. For instance, you might want to mention his strikeouts.

Ok I will. 30% strikeout rate. Coupled with his 20% walk rate, fully half of his AA plate appearances have ended with the ball NOT being put into play. Maybe he needs to be more aggressive early in the count?

A 20% walk rate is nice. But his Met future is tied to his ability to do damage, not to draw walks.

 

[RU-05]

Ok I will. 30% strikeout rate. Coupled with his 20% walk rate, fully half of his AA plate appearances have ended with the ball NOT being put into play. Maybe he needs to be more aggressive early in the count?

A 20% walk rate is nice. But his Met future is tied to his ability to do damage, not to draw walks.

I'll counter this a little. I think most big slugging guys are expected to draw walks these days. It's not quite as good as a single, but it does to some extent take the place of a single for guys who are trying to hit with power every time up and thus just aren't going to hit many singles.

It also just helps raise the pitch count of the opposing pitcher which is the general strategy these days.

It's why the favored stat is OPS and not BPS(batting average + Slugging).

But yeah, he needs to be a guy who consistently hits for power if he is expected to make it.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Walks mean that you didn’t make an out and you’re on base. They matter.

 

[rurahrah000]

Mets are starting to come around especially the hitting. The bullpen and starting pricing are still suspect, but of we can get to 0.500 or close to it by All Star break then we would be set up nicely for a wild card run. Also hoping for Senga comes back healthy and pitch well in the second half.

 

[RU-05]

Correct.

The current formula is non sustainable.

Others in the lineup need to get hot as well starting with Alonso / Nimmo and Alvarez etc.

Last 7 games:

Alonso batting .087 with 1 RBI.
Lindor batting .130 with 1 RBI.
Nimmo is OK at .250 with 3 RBI, and 4 runs scored. Only one walk though.
Alvarez batting .143, 2 RBI.

I kind of see this as a good thing as they've been able to win while these guys have not participated. Hopefully a situation where they can build upon the momentum started by others.