OT: Belmont Stakes 2018. Can Justify win the Triple Crown?

[ashokan]

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good to know..... I thought he was calling the horse Lebron due to the results on the track, and if we go by results, it would be
Big Red...

I pulled up the replay of the 1973 belmont, still gives me chills to watch....

"he is moving like a tremendous machine"

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I was only a kid at Belmont in 73 (my father and gramps took me) but I remember everyone was 100% that Sec would win. People were almost bored by the coming race and everyone had $ signs in their eyes.

The crowd went nuts when Sec pulled ahead, but as the lead grew and grew, the thoughts of money and a boring win were gone, and everyone realized a tremendous event was taking place. The crowd cheers became a massive, continuous roar that shook the place. That was my first experience with pandemonium

 

[WhiteBus]

When trainer's make public statements about their horse, you have to it with a grain of salt. They are always positive and lacking details.
One of the few keys that they are serious is when the make a comparison to a former great horse they trained you take notice. They just don't do that unless the truely like they are seeing.
So when I saw Bafferts comments about Justify's 1 3/8 mile gallop yesterday it was a little eye opening.

His trainer, Bob Baffert, said he thought Justify was coming into the Belmont in similar fashion to Point Given, who got stronger as the 2001 Triple Crown progressed and won by Belmont after failing in the Derby and then winning the Preakness.

"This is the best he's been," Baffert opined. "It's up to him now. If he's great, he'll do it."

 

[Abro1975]

Hoping Justify can get out quick from his pole position. I’m watching it at West Palm Beach Airport, lol, flight doesn’t board til 7:05 so hope race will go off by then.

 

[bac2therac]

here we go

and der off

 

[czxqa]

Justify leads at 1/4 then 1/2

 

[czxqa]

Tight pack

 

[czxqa]

Justify takes off out if the final turn

 

[czxqa]

Triple crown winner Justify! Stud rights expected to fetch $60 million I read the other day

 

[bac2therac]

jiggity jog wire to wire

Congrats Justify

 

[e5fdny]

That jockey has said all the right things.

Bet his agent is taking calls from Madison Avenue right now.

And yes I know he is already a HoFer but until now, not a Triple Crown winning jockey.

 

[bac2therac]

that exacta was pretty good at 89..tri too

 

[ru75]

And the exacta, here! Great price

 

[ru75]

Justify and Seattle Slew, the undefeated Triple Criwn winners!

 

[shields]

loved Seattle Slew!

 

[ru75]

loved Seattle Slew!

He was a beast for sure. Secretariat, Slew, Ruffian, Forego/—some great of my favs and now Justify

 

[czxqa]

Justify has plenty of options, but I have to wonder if William Hill is going to sweeten the Haskell purse beyond belief just to get some new fans of the sportsbook. Sportsbook won’t usually do any horse racing, but I know they plan on doing special Haskell parlays with other sports. “i’ll Take justify and the Eagles to repeat”

Honestly, I doubt Justify will ever race again. The risk/reward ratio is prohibitive. American Pharoah is getting $200k for every live foal that stands and nurses. The New York Times had a piece the other day about the big money behind Justify and how much his breeding rights are seen to be worth based on the assumption (now accomplished) of a Triple Crown win. That's the piece the $60mm figure is mentioned in. No purse is worth risking that kind of money.

 

[WhiteBus]

You won't find a happier man on the planet than me, except Bob Baffert. Everything went right at the break and realistically this race was over coming out of the first turn. I enjoyed the hell out of it. Especially for Baffert and Smith.
This is truely one on the best 3 year olds since Secretariat. Massive in size and controllable at all distances.

 

[WhiteBus]

Honestly, I doubt Justify will ever race again. The risk/reward ratio is prohibitive. American Pharoah is getting $200k for every live foal that stands and nurses. The New York Times had a piece the other day about the big money behind Justify and how much his breeding rights are seen to be worth based on the assumption (now accomplished) of a Triple Crown win. That's the piece the $60mm figure is mentioned in. No purse is worth risking that kind of money.

American Pharoah next race was the Haskell. They use Belmont Stakes earning to buy insurance. Than add a few more million on the track.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Anyone know of horses who are descended from MULTIPLE Triple-Crown winners?

 

[WhiteBus]

Anyone know of horses who are descended from MULTIPLE Triple-Crown winners?

Mr. Prospector comes to mind. Im sure there are others. Direct descendants id have to think no.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Mr. Prospector comes to mind. Im sure there are others. Direct descendants id have to think no.

Been looking around..

Justify has Seattle Slew back on the mare's side. So any of his offspring will have Justify and Seattle Slew somewhere back there.. and Slew had War Admiral on the mare's side..

I would think with Justify and American Pharaoh as recent Triple Crown winners... there is some opportunity here is see some high degree of Triple Crown pedigrees

 

[GSGS]

Honestly, I doubt Justify will ever race again. The risk/reward ratio is prohibitive. American Pharoah is getting $200k for every live foal that stands and nurses. The New York Times had a piece the other day about the big money behind Justify and how much his breeding rights are seen to be worth based on the assumption (now accomplished) of a Triple Crown win. That's the piece the $60mm figure is mentioned in. No purse is worth risking that kind of money.

Antonio Cromartie must be soooo jealous of these race horses, lol … he has to pay $200,000 for every live foal he fathers with various women.

 

[WhiteBus]

Been looking around..

Justify has Seattle Slew back on the mare's side. So any of his offspring will have Justify and Seattle Slew somewhere back there.. and Slew had War Admiral on the mare's side..

I would think with Justify and American Pharaoh as recent Triple Crown winners... there is some opportunity here is see some high degree of Triple Crown pedigrees

If you go far back enough Im guessing there are multiple TC horses having mulitple winners.

 

[RUinPinehurst]

loved Seattle Slew!

Saw Slew lose a match race against Dr. Patches at The Big M. Anyone else there that night? Slew was a magnificent looking horse, near black as I recall. Dr. P was rusty red.

 

[WhiteBus]

Saw Slew lose a match race against Dr. Patches at The Big M. Anyone else there that night? Slew was a magnificent looking horse, near black as I recall. Dr. P was rusty red.

Was there. Didn't win any money, didn't lose either

 

[WhiteBus]

Just looked it up. Mr. Prospector can be traced back to American Pharoah and Justify

 

[WhiteBus]

That jockey has said all the right things.

Bet his agent is taking calls from Madison Avenue right now.

And yes I know he is already a HoFer but until now, not a Triple Crown winning jockey.

He has won all of the biggest races. A slam dunk for the HOF in 2003. Jerry Bailey and Smith are the best of the best of this generation

 

[RUhasarrived]

Forego is still the greatest.He won a race carrying 137 lbs.

 

[GSGS]

Forego is still the greatest.He won a race carrying 137 lbs.

Not to rain on your parade, but he did come in 4th in Secretariat's Derby. Secretariat would have likely won the Belmont carrying 160 pounds.

 

[RU_Planning]

Well I was wrong.

 

[wheezer]

Not to rain on your parade, but he did come in 4th in Secretariat's Derby. Secretariat would have likely won the Belmont carrying 160 pounds.

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I don't know if comparing times in such a way is valid, but I notice
Secretariat ran 4.18 seconds faster than Justified...... assuming track conditions were both favorable both times, that seems to say a lot.

not a real horse racing nut, but would like to know about how many lengths back a race horse would usually be, at 4.18 seconds behind?...

probably quite a few..... I tried to find the time of Twice a Prince for the Belmont, since it was reported that the 2nd place horse was about 31 lengths behind, and how the time of Twice a Prince compared to Justified........came up empty.

 

[WhiteBus]

Forego is still the greatest.He won a race carrying 137 lbs.

Forego was a great horse and a sentimental favorite of mine as my father took me to Monmouth Park for the very first time to see him run in the Haskell. It was 1976 and by than Forego was the shining star in racing. The Haskell was run for older horses back than.
Forego was a giant. Tall and built. But sadly he lost that day finishing 3rd. It didn't matter to me. I was hooked on horse racing and Forego was my hero. But greatest ever. No.
Forego ran in the Kentucky Derby in 1973. He finished 4th. Lost to a horse called Secretariat, the best 3 year old ever.
And there is another horse of his generation called Kelso. The best older horse of the post war era. 5 time Horse of the Year.
Forego is #1 in my heart but can't say he was best ever.

 

[shields]

Top 100 horses of all time Forego was 8th and Seattle Slew 9. Affirmed was 12th. Blood-horse magazine. Needs to be updated though, this was before American Pharoah.

 

[WhiteBus]

Top 100 horses of all time Forego was 8th and Seattle Slew 9. Affirmed was 12th. Blood-horse magazine. Needs to be updated though, this was before American Pharoah.

For the most part the top ten I am fine with. Bid at #10 is a little high. But like most greatest of all time lists in all sports lists too much credit is given to current generation players/horses.

 

[GSGS]

Forego was a great horse and a sentimental favorite of mine as my father took me to Monmouth Park for the very first time to see him run in the Haskell. It was 1976 and by than Forego was the shining star in racing. The Haskell was run for older horses back than.
Forego was a giant. Tall and built. But sadly he lost that day finishing 3rd. It didn't matter to me. I was hooked on horse racing and Forego was my hero. But greatest ever. No.
Forego ran in the Kentucky Derby in 1973. He finished 4th. Lost to a horse called Secretariat, the best 3 year old ever.
And there is another horse of his generation called Kelso. The best older horse of the post war era. 5 time Horse of the Year.
Forego is #1 in my heart but can't say he was best ever.

Interestingly enough, we were discussing Sec's grandsire earlier, Princequillo. I know that some expert horsemen consider Kelso to be the greatest race horse ever at the longer distances, with Princequillo second.

A funny Secretariat/Forego story was told by the late Newsday editor Stan Isaacs in his book "10 Moments that Shock the Sports World". Isaacs is one of the few at Belmont on June 9, 1973 who discounted Secretariat's record running time due to fast track conditions. Isaacs' evidence of how fast the track was that day? Well, on the undercard, a ""serviceable allowance horse" (per Isaacs) had run only one fifth of a second off the track record that day in the race preceding the Belmont. That "serviceable allowance horse" was none other than Forego, and in the subsequent years, Secretariat's great chronicler Bill Nack (who sadly died recently) would remind Isaacs of his gaffe.

 

[wicker]

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I don't know if comparing times in such a way is valid, but I notice
Secretariat ran 4.18 seconds faster than Justified...... assuming track conditions were both favorable both times, that seems to say a lot.

not a real horse racing nut, but would like to know about how many lengths back a race horse would usually be, at 4.18 seconds behind?...

probably quite a few..... I tried to find the time of Twice a Prince for the Belmont, since it was reported that the 2nd place horse was about 31 lengths behind, and how the time of Twice a Prince compared to Justified........came up empty.

The conventional, though flawed, formula has five lengths per second. It's more like 7, so we are looking at Justify losing to Secretariat by 29 lengths

 

[wheezer]

Shocker, crickets from the Trump-Right alternative facts group think sect.

The conventional, though flawed, formula has five lengths per second. It's more like 7, so we are looking at Justify losing to Secretariat by 29 lengths

Isn’t that amazing? I like the idea of honoring all triple crown winners but big red was THE horse

 

[WhiteBus]

It has been announced that Justify will run again! No schedule released but the Haskell is a high probability as Baffert owns that race.
My guess is Haskell, Travers, Breeders Cup Classic.

 

[czxqa]

It has been announced that Justify will run again! No schedule released but the Haskell is a high probability as Baffert owns that race.
My guess is Haskell, Travers, Breeders Cup Classic.

Saw that as well, I was pretty surprised. I didn't think it would happen. God forbid the horse breaks his leg or something. Such a big risk at this point...

 

[BIGTENITCH]

Was nice to see but my luck it was the worse of both worlds (compared to seeing Pharoah win it last time) as I didn't get to go and despite ZERO predictions of in the money for Gronkowski (between the DRF and papers-that's about 20 predictions) he ruined my exactas. I should have known better as:
1) The Giants always beat the Pats in the "Super Bowl" and
2) I was e-mailng Piscataway Mike and the Pats have been screwing Piscataway Mike, brother and fellow Jets fans forever. Gronk the horse continued the tradition by ruining their exactas.

Hope to catch Justify at the Haskell. The ledger reported weeks ago that Moumouth Park? was putting together a "package" where the Triple Crown
Winnner will get a 5 million bonus (I believe) if he wins the Haskell and Breeders Cup. Would likely be 2nd highest attendence in Monmouth history and a great day to show off the sports betting.

I'm a bit partial to Pharoah because I was there and it had been 47? years but I'm not so sure Justify's legacy is a bit like that of our own last heavyweight boxing champ-undefeated but perhaps not so great a crop of horses. If not the later both horses that probably had the best shot at him-Audible and Good Magic (and what about the long distance touted My Boy Jack) didn't run.