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Bottled water is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the first world. A completely unnecessary product, costing 1000x more (or more than that) than the almost free water that is available from the faucet. I get it for 3rd world countries where the water supply is iffy or for when on the go, but other than that it's a waste. Most bottled water comes out of processing factories, not from little gnomes filling bottles from secret mountain streams - and, in fact, water quality from the tap is regulated more tightly than bottled water, so the purity selling angle is a myth. Bottled water is also absolute proof of the incredible power of advertising, creating a need where there was not one and capitalizing on it. Handsomely. I'm amazed people fall for this crap.

Agreed. Another sham: "organic" this and that. Just another way to squeeze more money out of naive consumers.
 
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Yeah, I think I do and I think you're being quite gullible here. Unless you're truly in the wilderness, "on the go" means you're never really far away from a good source of tap water - sure, buy a refillable bottle, but why pay 1000x more than tap water? For the car or bike you can fill up a refillable bottle with tap water and at work, you can grab water from a tap somewhere or a drinking fountain (although even these are being targeted by the big beverage companies). If you're in Mexico or Zimbabwe, ok, I get it, but not in the US.

No, most people who drink bottled water have been brainwashed by some very clever folks on Madison Avenue into thinking that there's something wrong with tap water (there isn't, with rare exceptions, like Flint). They're not buying the bottle - they're buying the image that the advertising companies have spent tons of money crafting. If they were just buying the bottle, they could get refillable bottles for a few pennies and just fill them up with tap water and save a ton of money.

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/14/bot..._the_beverage_industrys_greatest_con_partner/

I agree with you 100% on the bottled water, but you have to admit, the place you work had to shut off the water fountains because they weren't safe to drink from. [winking]

To answer the OP though, not a fan of coconut water but I do love coconut milk in my kale smoothies.
 
Bottled water is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the first world. A completely unnecessary product, costing 1000x more (or more than that) than the almost free water that is available from the faucet. I get it for 3rd world countries where the water supply is iffy or for when on the go, but other than that it's a waste. Most bottled water comes out of processing factories, not from little gnomes filling bottles from secret mountain streams - and, in fact, water quality from the tap is regulated more tightly than bottled water, so the purity selling angle is a myth. Bottled water is also absolute proof of the incredible power of advertising, creating a need where there was not one and capitalizing on it. Handsomely. I'm amazed people fall for this crap.


now a subject we will agree on...a total scam and people keep spending money on something they get virtually free. How did we survive before the 90s hit and people had to buy water
 
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another scam is Keuring coffee makers....all that money on the maker and then the overpriced k cups they get people to buy, why are people duped like that
 
Yeah, I think I do and I think you're being quite gullible here. Unless you're truly in the wilderness, "on the go" means you're never really far away from a good source of tap water - sure, buy a refillable bottle, but why pay 1000x more than tap water? For the car or bike you can fill up a refillable bottle with tap water and at work, you can grab water from a tap somewhere or a drinking fountain (although even these are being targeted by the big beverage companies). If you're in Mexico or Zimbabwe, ok, I get it, but not in the US.

No, most people who drink bottled water have been brainwashed by some very clever folks on Madison Avenue into thinking that there's something wrong with tap water (there isn't, with rare exceptions, like Flint). They're not buying the bottle - they're buying the image that the advertising companies have spent tons of money crafting. If they were just buying the bottle, they could get refillable bottles for a few pennies and just fill them up with tap water and save a ton of money.

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/14/bot..._the_beverage_industrys_greatest_con_partner/

I think you're the one being naive here. People buy bottled water for the same reason they buy Coke or Pepsi in 20 oz bottles; they want something to drink on the go in a convenient package. (Have you ever noticed that the cold 20 oz Coke in the refrigerated case at Quik-Wa costs more than the warm 2-liter bottle in the aisle. That is because people are paying a premium for the convenience of a cold beverage in a easy to carry container.)

If I'm walking through NYC and I'm thirsty, it is not easy to find a drinking fountain (and assuming I find one, know that it is clean and maintained). If I'm walking through my local park on a winter day, the few fountains that are there are turned off.

Sure I can get a refillable bottle, and put water from home in it. But then when it is empty, I have to carry around an empty bottle, take it home, and clean it. Not very convenient. and if I drink a lot of water, then I have to carry multiple bottles.

You know what would be convenient. You know how they sell those cheap Rubbermaid food containers that cost about a buck and then you throw them out after they are used. What if someone sold cheap, lightweight bottles that you could fill with water and then throw out when they are empty. That would be very convenient. You know what would be even more convenient, if those bottles were already filled with water when you bought them.
 
another scam is Keuring coffee makers....all that money on the maker and then the overpriced k cups they get people to buy, why are people duped like that
It is to get the dickhead that didn't make a fresh pot off the hook, after killing the first pot. The Keuring is designed to dump the "spent cartridge" into the hopper when the next person goes to make a cup. No guilt when the hopper is full.
 
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For hangovers Vitamin Water Revive is way better. Has all the B vitamins the alcohol has depleted from your system. Only thing better is the "banana bag" IV at the hospital.
 
I agree with you 100% on the bottled water, but you have to admit, the place you work had to shut off the water fountains because they weren't safe to drink from. [winking]

To answer the OP though, not a fan of coconut water but I do love coconut milk in my kale smoothies.

lol, I've heard that story about Rahway, but the version I heard was that there was what should have been an obvious piping error leading to a "dead leg" (area of non-moving water that could get skunky from microbes) was found after they tore out the water fountains and replaced them with the big bottled water carboys. Knowing our M&I history on site, that wouldn't surprise me...
 
One of the coconut water brands sponsored Kevin when he was in the league- forget which one. When we received our first case- we were kind of excited as we had heard how good this shit was for you....well, like most have said here, it was almost undrinkable. We couldn't give the stuff away.
 
Yeah, I think I do and I think you're being quite gullible here. Unless you're truly in the wilderness, "on the go" means you're never really far away from a good source of tap water - sure, buy a refillable bottle, but why pay 1000x more than tap water? For the car or bike you can fill up a refillable bottle with tap water and at work, you can grab water from a tap somewhere or a drinking fountain (although even these are being targeted by the big beverage companies). If you're in Mexico or Zimbabwe, ok, I get it, but not in the US.

No, most people who drink bottled water have been brainwashed by some very clever folks on Madison Avenue into thinking that there's something wrong with tap water (there isn't, with rare exceptions, like Flint). They're not buying the bottle - they're buying the image that the advertising companies have spent tons of money crafting. If they were just buying the bottle, they could get refillable bottles for a few pennies and just fill them up with tap water and save a ton of money.

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/14/bot..._the_beverage_industrys_greatest_con_partner/

Horseshit. Please tell the class how many times you wheel into a gas station, pop into the men's room and refill your travel cup from the sink.
 
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I think you're the one being naive here. People buy bottled water for the same reason they buy Coke or Pepsi in 20 oz bottles; they want something to drink on the go in a convenient package. (Have you ever noticed that the cold 20 oz Coke in the refrigerated case at Quik-Wa costs more than the warm 2-liter bottle in the aisle. That is because people are paying a premium for the convenience of a cold beverage in a easy to carry container.)

If I'm walking through NYC and I'm thirsty, it is not easy to find a drinking fountain (and assuming I find one, know that it is clean and maintained). If I'm walking through my local park on a winter day, the few fountains that are there are turned off.

Sure I can get a refillable bottle, and put water from home in it. But then when it is empty, I have to carry around an empty bottle, take it home, and clean it. Not very convenient. and if I drink a lot of water, then I have to carry multiple bottles.

You know what would be convenient. You know how they sell those cheap Rubbermaid food containers that cost about a buck and then you throw them out after they are used. What if someone sold cheap, lightweight bottles that you could fill with water and then throw out when they are empty. That would be very convenient. You know what would be even more convenient, if those bottles were already filled with water when you bought them.

A large percentage of people drink bottled water at home or at work instead of tap water, despite about 50% of all bottled water being essentially bottled municipal tap water. I acknowledged the need for bottled water on-the-go, but much of that can be tap water from refillable bottles, as most people aren't usually away from home for more than a few hours at a time. Cities and towns should also be doing a much better job of providing public water fountains.

It just boggles my mind that people would pay thousands of times more for a product which is available in the same quality, for free - and willingly contribute to an incredibly wasteful environmental problem associated with making and disposing of these plastic bottles.
 
At $3 a case and with two boys on a combined 5 baseball teams, I'll take the gullible tag all day long. You can invest in refillable bottles, wash them out, store them, fill them up, argue with your kids who lost them, or left them in the bottom of their bag for weeks, and deal with the mismatched lids, leading to soaked car seats.
 
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Bottled water is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on the first world. A completely unnecessary product,

After just spending a week in Nashville with tap water that smelled and tasted like a swimming pool, I totally disagree. It's far from just third world nations that NEED bottled water...
 
A large percentage of people drink bottled water at home or at work instead of tap water, despite about 50% of all bottled water being essentially bottled municipal tap water. I acknowledged the need for bottled water on-the-go, but much of that can be tap water from refillable bottles, as most people aren't usually away from home for more than a few hours at a time. Cities and towns should also be doing a much better job of providing public water fountains.

It just boggles my mind that people would pay thousands of times more for a product which is available in the same quality, for free - and willingly contribute to an incredibly wasteful environmental problem associated with making and disposing of these plastic bottles.

Numbers could you please cite a specific percentage of people drinking bottled water at home, and perhaps refer me to the study.
 
You sound like a walking, talking coconut water ad. If you like it and don't mind spending the premium, okay. But way healthier than fruit juice and Gatorade ... simply, no.

To make fruit juice, the most helpful/healthy part of the fruit has been removed; the soluble fiber. Fruit juice is a blood sugar bomb. No one should be drinking fruit juice. Want the health benefits of fruit? Eat fruit. Unless you're an elite athlete, the same goes for sports drinks. Coconut water is absolutely a better alternative.
 
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Everything is a discussion until RU#'s starts getting on his high horse and starts arguments. Love him for the weather and the Don Quixote missions against the staunch republicans on the board, but inserting argumentative points isn't always necessary.
don't you mean insertion of argumentative points you don't agree with? very tolerant of you
 
another scam is Keuring coffee makers....all that money on the maker and then the overpriced k cups they get people to buy, why are people duped like that
because it works better in an office setting.
 
don't you mean insertion of argumentative points you don't agree with? very tolerant of you

No, not really. There was no discord about anything other than whether someone thought coconut water tasted like wet dog or not (you know, the original topic of the thread). Then #'s comes in with the tangential tirade about bottled vs tap water. All of a sudden, the thread topic is lost. Way to hijack a thread.
 
At home I have no problems filling up my refillable bottles, and putting them in the fridge to get iced cold. Throw a few ice cubes in the Hydro Flask and they stay frozen for hours.

But man, I have no problems whatsoever going to Costco and plunking down $3 or $4 for a big 35 pack or whatever it is, of bottled water for use on the go. For the beach, for my money, you can't beat freezing some of those, along with some from the fridge, throwing them in the cooler (with the cold beer of course!) and drinking them, then tossing them when done. And call me gullible all you want, but at that price point, it's worth it for the convenience factor for the wife and I.
 
At home I have no problems filling up my refillable bottles, and putting them in the fridge to get iced cold. Throw a few ice cubes in the Hydro Flask and they stay frozen for hours.

But man, I have no problems whatsoever going to Costco and plunking down $3 or $4 for a big 35 pack or whatever it is, of bottled water for use on the go. For the beach, for my money, you can't beat freezing some of those, along with some from the fridge, throwing them in the cooler (with the cold beer of course!) and drinking them, then tossing them when done. And call me gullible all you want, but at that price point, it's worth it for the convenience factor for the wife and I.

Isn't there a concern about the plastics chemicals from the thin walled cheap water bottles leeching into the drinking water in the bottle, especially in the hot sun ? That's why my wife prefers the refillable bottles.
 
For the best coconut drink you have had try Kane's Port Omna Coconut, a great beer.
 
At home I have no problems filling up my refillable bottles, and putting them in the fridge to get iced cold. Throw a few ice cubes in the Hydro Flask and they stay frozen for hours.

But man, I have no problems whatsoever going to Costco and plunking down $3 or $4 for a big 35 pack or whatever it is, of bottled water for use on the go. For the beach, for my money, you can't beat freezing some of those, along with some from the fridge, throwing them in the cooler (with the cold beer of course!) and drinking them, then tossing them when done. And call me gullible all you want, but at that price point, it's worth it for the convenience factor for the wife and I.
Look into swell bottles. Best bottles ever.
 
Look into swell bottles. Best bottles ever.
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$45?

9oz ones are cheaper, but why do you like them so much..?
 
I like coconut water but drink it only occassionally.
I drink a 20oz bottle of G2 (45 calorie Gatorade) every day.
I usually drink tap water but often carry bottled water when I'm out for the day.

Am I going to go to hell?
 
I like coconut water but drink it only occassionally.
I drink a 20oz bottle of G2 (45 calorie Gatorade) every day.
I usually drink tap water but often carry bottled water when I'm out for the day.

Am I going to go to hell?

No, but as a general rule you should avoid drinking large quantities of Gatorade if you're not exercising.
 
I drink lots of water, some caffine (coffee, red bull) and alchol when needed! Everything else (even milk or almond milk) is simply sugar water and just leads to extra lbs and diabetes.
 
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$45?

9oz ones are cheaper, but why do you like them so much..?
Yea not cheap but you can fill it with cold water and it will stay cold for 24 hrs. Hot stays hot for 12 hrs and it doesn't sweat either. I've had it outside in blazing heat for entire soccer tournaments and water never gets even warm.
 
Agreed. Another sham: "organic" this and that. Just another way to squeeze more money out of naive consumers.

Since you're calling organic agriculture a "sham", I would assume you've done your research. What's the sham? Sustainable agriculture? Maintaining the soil food web? Elimination of chemical pesticides/herbicides? Decreased need for irrigation? Decreased run-off of chemicals and erosion of topsoil? Please share your wisdom.
 
Also, Gatorade is said to be corrosive to tooth enamel (so maybe use a straw).
 
To make fruit juice, the most helpful/healthy part of the fruit has been removed; the soluble fiber. Fruit juice is a blood sugar bomb. No one should be drinking fruit juice. Want the health benefits of fruit? Eat fruit. Unless you're an elite athlete, the same goes for sports drinks. Coconut water is absolutely a better alternative.

Well except for all the vitamins that are in both fruit and fruit juice. And except that people who know what they're talking about consistently list juice, not coconut water, as among the healthiest thing you can drink. Other than that, yeah.
 
Well except for all the vitamins that are in both fruit and fruit juice. And except that people who know what they're talking about consistently list juice, not coconut water, as among the healthiest thing you can drink. Other than that, yeah.
Who's listing fruit juice as healthy?
 
I'm sorry, but the fountain water from many office buildings it's just plain funky. I don't know why and I don't care, it simply does not taste good, and I'm sure if you tested this water it would pass with flying colors. This is also the case in some residential areas. I like my tap water and drink it all the time, but the water in some of my friend's houses is not for me either.
 
You are paying about 100x the cost of the product for the convenience. As long as you're OK with that I don't care. It's your money.

You could fill the a swimming pool for the cost of a couple of bottles of water.
 
Who's listing fruit juice as healthy?

Studies, the USDA, the Mayo Clinic, newspapers, magazines, pretty much every list of "healthy drinks" ever written, your personal physician ... I could get on the horn with local nutritionists and doctors, too, if you'd like.

Pomegranate juice, cranberry juice and tomato juice/V8 are among the top choices ... for one or two glasses a day, not every beverage you drink. If you're that worried about sugar, find lower-sugar juices or water it in half - that's not just my idea, even some of the sugar-doomsaying experts recommend doing just that.

I never said fruit juice was a replacement for fruit, nor did I say that you should drink it all day long, nor did I say that all fruit juice is healthy and wonderful. I said the crazy-broad statement that coconut water is flat-out healthier than fruit juice is bogus and useless.
 
At $3 a case and with two boys on a combined 5 baseball teams, I'll take the gullible tag all day long. You can invest in refillable bottles, wash them out, store them, fill them up, argue with your kids who lost them, or left them in the bottom of their bag for weeks, and deal with the mismatched lids, leading to soaked car seats.
Yep. Guzzle and forget. I've spent more money on lost/stolen/skunked water bottles, and canteens than I care to think about. After seeing some of the crap that was culturing in my kids' water bottles (they put milk and juice in "water" bottles), I pitched them and go with the disposables.
 
Studies, the USDA, the Mayo Clinic, newspapers, magazines, pretty much every list of "healthy drinks" ever written, your personal physician ... I could get on the horn with local nutritionists and doctors, too, if you'd like.

Pomegranate juice, cranberry juice and tomato juice/V8 are among the top choices ... for one or two glasses a day, not every beverage you drink. If you're that worried about sugar, find lower-sugar juices or water it in half - that's not just my idea, even some of the sugar-doomsaying experts recommend doing just that.

I never said fruit juice was a replacement for fruit, nor did I say that you should drink it all day long, nor did I say that all fruit juice is healthy and wonderful. I said the crazy-broad statement that coconut water is flat-out healthier than fruit juice is bogus and useless.

I'd like to see a link to these studies. In everything I've read lately (not from 50 years ago), there is absolutely no benefit to adding refined sugar, high fructose corn syrup, or fructose minus the fiber (juice) to a diet.
It's not the fat that's making the world fat and diabetic. It's the sugar. Remember the low-fat craze? How did that work out? We got fatter and unhealthier because fat was substituted for sugar.

This lecture is based on scientific studies. It's long, but will hopefully clear some things up for you and other.

 
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